Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11

[MagnoliaApples]

No one knows what adverse affect these chemical weapons have had on the health and DNA of the Afghan population. This is not know for Iraqis or Iranians either. Further it is not known if DU and these other toxic residues in combination increase health risks. It is easy to postulate that A affects C. Life becomes inherently more complicated if we use the whole alphabet. Let’s look at the complete story and not be selective and then perhaps some form of truth will emerge in the end.

It IS known what adverse affects these chemical have on people. Haven't you been reading the articles or doing any research of your own??? Why don't you look it up? There are many articles, researchers and scientists that have been outspoken about the effects of D.U in the Afgani, Iraqi AND Gulf War Vets.
The results are staggering, to say the least!!

The recombination of all these chemicals is very recent and so no one really knows. 2 1/2 million people dead which you refuse to acknowledge. My point is you don't give a damn about suffering and death and you only want to make a political point. There has been no remorse shown to aboriginal peoples as victims of uranium on this thread which is revealing. And the staggering conclusion I reach is that Canadians here do not care who they kill as long as they have the opportunity to point their finger at someone else.

Ummm Sanch the first part of you quoting me, the part in dark blue, wasn't me. I was quoting YOU. You're the one who said that no one knows what effect D.U has on people. I'm saying we DO know.The green part is what i was saying.

I didn't say that I refuse to acknowledge 2 1/2 million people dead. I DO acknowledge all of these people dying and i'm saying it's wrong. I'm not trying to make a political point. I made the mistake of not including the aborigional people.

The truth is that the article that i was referencing was based on the research they have done mainly in Afghanistan that proves that uranium is a major cause for these health problems. So, if it's hurting the people in Afghanistan who have been exposed to it, then it's safe to believe that anyone who is exposed to this harmful toxic substance would suffer the same effects.

You have completely twisted everything i have said around!

I don't think it's right to be using D.U at all. I understand that the effects of D.U on humans and to the environment is devastating and shouldn't be used, ever. I am disappointed that we have a hand in the manufacturing and sale of D.U. And i think that the aborigionals who have been exposed to the toxic substance have a very strong case.

The problem is that the government is ignoring the scientific reports and keeping it out the the media so that they can keep manufacturing it and selling it. I don't think this is right and this is most certainly an issue that needs more media exposure.

Basically, I sympathize with your point, Sanch.

 

[I think not]

www.shunpiking.com/DODU/doduindex.htm

This is a very good site with many links to Canadian and other sites of interest to DU interested people.

 

[EagleSmack]

I believe that there were more people killed by DU Rounds than on 9/11. That is because the Iraqi's had so many tanks and armored troop carriers.

The bottom line is this. Other nations use tanks and the US has found a PERFECT way to destroy them... DU Rounds.

These little babies punch a small half inch hole in the side of a tank and spray the occupants with molten metal. A lot of the hits actually result in the turrett getting blown right up into the air when the ammo cooks off. Instant death to all inside.

Give up DU? Never.

When other nations stop using tanks and armored vehicles... the US will give up DU.

 

[aeon]

I believe that there were more people killed by DU Rounds than on 9/11. That is because the Iraqi's had so many tanks and armored troop carriers.

The bottom line is this. Other nations use tanks and the US has found a PERFECT way to destroy them... DU Rounds.

These little babies punch a small half inch hole in the side of a tank and spray the occupants with molten metal. A lot of the hits actually result in the turrett getting blown right up into the air when the ammo cooks off. Instant death to all inside.

Give up DU? Never.

When other nations stop using tanks and armored vehicles... the US will give up DU.

:twisted: of course who cares about civilians who are victims of those DU, which has nothing to do with the war, who cares about them? and since when we did care? just never.

 

[BitWhys]

they're supposed to grin and and bear it and greet their liberators with parades and flowers. didn't you get the memo?

 

[#juan]

Give up DU? Never.

When other nations stop using tanks and armored vehicles... the US will give up DU.

A rather ignorant remark. There are other metals that would work as well and not poison the countryside. We had better hope to hell that this filthy DU that has traveled around the world from Iraq doesn't do something nasty like poison the planton that give us our oxygen to breath. The use of DU is ignorant stupidity at it's worst.

 

[jimmoyer]

Overall I think you guys hating
and protesting Depleted Uranium are correct.

I don't see much hope in stopping it.

We have a Republican congressman down here, Shay,
who has led a one-man fight against it.

There is a lot of money behind it, companies with
investment, politicians finding it to be a wonderful
use of nuclear waste, and it is all WRONG.

Even a lot of conservatives don't have too much
taste for this battle to defend it.

I would advise those conservatives over-reacting
to the never ending anti-americanism to retreat,
pull back and fight a battle more worth fighting
than this one.

 

[#juan]

Jimmoyer

I don't think I'm anti-American. I think it is reasonable to protest the use of DU when there is something else that could be used. Seriously, everybody in the world should be screaming at every country that uses the God damned stuff. Not too far down the road I see yet another foreign policy black eye for the U.S.. DU is just emerging as the latest scandal of that bloody war.

 

[jimmoyer]

#juan, you're dead-on right about this issue.

 

[I think not]

I don't think I'm anti-American.

8O

I think it is reasonable to protest the use of DU when there is something else that could be used.

Of course, usually you start at the source. Canada ringing any bells?

Seriously, everybody in the world should be screaming at every country that uses the God damned stuff. Not too far down the road I see yet another foreign policy black eye for the U.S.. DU is just emerging as the latest scandal of that bloody war.

DU is used in a number of civilian applications, airplanes, forklifts etc... Why no outcry for those uses?

 

[#juan]

ITN

I know you are not that dumb. The airline people rarely shoot the static balance weights from the aircraft control surfaces at people with a cannon. By the same token, the forklift people don't set out to spray the junk at people either. That is not even a reasonable arguement.

 

[I think not]

ITN

I know you are not that dumb. The airline people rarely shoot the static balance weights from the aircraft control surfaces at people with a cannon. By the same token, the forklift people don't set out to spray the junk at people either. That is not even a reasonable arguement.

Thank you, exactly the answer I was expecting. the issue as I have tried hopelessly and repeatedly on this board for months, has been the issue of toxicity of DU, not radiation. DU has very high levels of toxicity, I have never heard of any issues regarding radiation. Had there been issues of radiation, I imagine it would have been discovered, at the very least by the civilian applications above.

 

[#juan]

I knew DU was used for balance weights in airliners. I was surprised that it was used in forklifts because anyone can get a fork lift and use the ballast weight to make a dirty bomb.

The radiation is a problem if you breath in the DU in the form of dust. Most of the fatalities have come as a result of breathing in DU dust.

 

[BitWhys]

...By the same token, the forklift people don't set out to spray the junk at people either...

I've worked a lot of jobs in my day.

trust me

it depends on the warehouse.

 

[I think not]

The radiation is a problem if you breath in the DU in the form of dust. Most of the fatalities have come as a result of breathing in DU dust.

Now I am by no means a scientist, but I think I have read enough about radiation to know you don't have to swallow it for it to take effect.

 

[EagleSmack]

Give up DU? Never.

When other nations stop using tanks and armored vehicles... the US will give up DU.

A rather ignorant remark. There are other metals that would work as well and not poison the countryside. We had better hope to hell that this filthy DU that has traveled around the world from Iraq doesn't do something nasty like poison the planton that give us our oxygen to breath. The use of DU is ignorant stupidity at it's worst.

Call it what you will.

Which metal is that?

The thing is this. There is NO ARMOR that can stop a DU round. There are no counter measures as of this time for tankers who are on the business end of a DU round. The armor would have to be about 4 Feet thick and that renders a tank useless when it comes to movement.

DU is here to stay. :lol:

 

[Mogz]

Call it what you will.

Which metal is that?

The thing is this. There is NO ARMOR that can stop a DU round. There are no counter measures as of this time for tankers who are on the business end of a DU round. The armor would have to be about 4 Feet thick and that renders a tank useless when it comes to movement.

DU is here to stay.

Pretty much in line with what I was going to post, therefore i've just been saved some time. Good post.

 

[#juan]

There are several alternatives that could be used in place of DU. Here is just one of them. Granted, it is more expensive since the U.S. has literally thousands of tons of DU just lying around, which makes it almost free. Free, except for the fact that it kills people who happen to breath in the dust. So it would add a few billion to the cost of the war. What are lives worth?

link

 

[BitWhys]

Re: RE: Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11

Call it what you will.

Which metal is that?

The thing is this. There is NO ARMOR that can stop a DU round. There are no counter measures as of this time for tankers who are on the business end of a DU round. The armor would have to be about 4 Feet thick and that renders a tank useless when it comes to movement.

DU is here to stay.

Pretty much in line with what I was going to post, therefore i've just been saved some time. Good post.

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[darkbeaver]

RE: Depleted Uranium-Far

The Issue of Depleted Uranium
maracatu, Daily Kos

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May 25, 2006

Being from Puerto Rico, this issue hits close to home. I haven't seen as much coverage as I would like in reports about the health problems facing returning war veterans (which doesn't mean it is non-existent). Somewhere down the line the issue is going to have to be dealt with not only in relation to our veterans but with regard to the overall conduct of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

A couple of years ago an international tribunal that met in Japan, made up of five judges - all professors of international law - concluded that President Bush was guilty of war crimes for indiscriminately attacking civilians in the Afghan war. Robert Akroyd, one of the judges and a former head of legal studies at Aston University in Britain noted the U.S. military's use of "indiscriminate weapons such as the Daisy Cutter, cluster bombs and depleted uranium shells," According to the Japan Times,

Civilians and experts who have supported the tribunal movement agreed to work for creation of an international treaty that would prohibit the production, stockpile and use of depleted uranium rounds, like the Ottawa process that succeeded in 1997 in outlawing antipersonnel land mines.

In what he terms a public health disaster for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, Doug Westerman points out that:

The Japanese began studying DU effects in the southern Iraq in the summer of 2003. They had a Geiger counter which they watched go off the scale on many occasions. During their visit,a local hospital was treating upwards of 600 children per day, many of which suffered symptoms of internal poisoning by radiation.

Although there are other concerns now, in the aftermath of the war this subject is inevitably going to come to the fore. We need to bring this subject out into the open now, especially given the deliberate attempt by US military authorities to suppress the issue altogether. Westerman adds that:

Not only are we poisoning the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, but we are making a concerted effort to keep out specialists from other countries who can help. The U.S. Military doesn't want the rest of the world to find out what we have done.


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