Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11

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IEDs made from duds is how they fight back in Iraq/A-Stan..

DU IEDs must make for a dilly of a pickle. If a crew of a hummer on patrol gets lucky and the IED doesn't cause damage, is it still a "score" for the Taliban when the crew dies 2 years later from leukemia or lymphoma?

I think you are not quite understanding the uses of DU. DU is the projectile and not the explosive. The hole a DU round makes is quite small, it is just what happens after the DU gets inside the tank that is devastaing. DU slices through the armor showering the crew with molten metal and they are pretty much killed instantly. The tank explodes immediately because of the shower of molten metal cooks off the tanks ammo.
 

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Artillery shells and tanks shells are made from DU instead of steel.

When the firing mech fails you have a dud. Insurgents use a small cap to set off the shell as an IED. Get it?
 

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Artillery shells and tanks shells are made from DU instead of steel.

Tank rounds for sure. I am not so sure about arty but I am going to check right now. It is the heavy metal properties of DU that make it a weapon of choice because there is no armor or reactive armor that can stop it.

Artillery being an area weapon, well I just don't see the use. Artillery typically are HE rounds....but let me check it out.
 

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You do realize the term depleted means hat it'c not hot enough for reactors but is still 96% active.

There is nothing depleted about it.
 

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After doing quick research DU was used in making mines, clusterbombs, and grenades but are no longer.

However they are used for tank rounds and "cannons" mounted on aircraft and helocopters. 30MM, 120MM rounds etc.

It is the penetration qualities that make DU invaluble at this time.
 

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You do realize the term depleted means hat it'c not hot enough for reactors but is still 96% active.

There is nothing depleted about it.

So is it a political name as opposed to a scientific name? The scientist and industry that created the term depleted uranium are doing that to trick us all?
 

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It is the penetration qualities that make DU invaluble at this time.
That's why we aren't using tungsten light bulbs anymore too. China will sell it if needed but there is no need to be lobbing spent rods around the globe and having your servicmen deal with the contaminates.

So is it a political name as opposed to a scientific name? The scientist and industry that created the term depleted uranium are doing that to trick us all?
You best be doing your homework son. This **** would normally be buried in a mountain and encased in 12ft of concrete but it's a good idea to use it on the battlefield?
 

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Killing your men/women is worth it?

Well that isn't happening.

The International Atomic Energy Agency reported in 2003 that, "based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts," although "Like other heavy metals, DU is potentially poisonous. In sufficient amounts, if DU is ingested or inhaled it can be harmful because of its chemical toxicity. High concentration could cause kidney damage." The IAEA concluded that while depleted uranium is a potential carcinogen, there is no evidence that it has been carcinogenic in humans.[112]
A 2005 study by Sandia National Laboratories’ Al Marshall used mathematical models to analyze potential health effects associated with accidental exposure to depleted uranium during the 1991 Gulf War. Marshall’s study concluded that the reports of cancer risks from DU exposure are not supported by veteran medical statistics, but Marshall did not consider reproductive health effects.[113]

But I understand why you want it to happen.
 

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You best be doing your homework son. This **** would normally be buried in a mountain and encased in 12ft of concrete but it's a good idea to use it on the battlefield?

Or used for trim in planes, or ballasts in keels of ships and SAILBOATS, or in cameras, or for radioactive shielding.

So I ask... where is the outrage for the civillian uses of DU son?

Look up spent nuclear fuel rods instead.

How do they speed up the 500,000 years to turn the U to Pb?

Why should I look up spent nuclear rods instead of DU? Aren't we talking about the application of DU.

Please refrain from moving the goal posts.
 

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So I ask... where is the outrage for the civillian uses of DU son?
Light it on fire and what are the results?

Why should I look up spent nuclear rods instead of DU? Aren't we talking about the application of DU.

Please refrain from moving the goal posts.
Because DU is spent fuel rods??? Sound like a good reason?

Spent nuclear fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Uranium
96% of the mass is the remaining uranium: most of the original 238U and a little 235U. Usually 235U would be less than 0.83% of the mass along with 0.4% 236U.
Reprocessed uranium will contain 236U, which is not found in nature; this is one isotope which can be used as a fingerprint for spent reactor fuel.
If using a thorium fuel to produce fissile U-233, the SNF will have U-233, with a half-life of 159,200 years. This will have an impact on the long-term radioactive decay of the spent fuel. If compared with MOX fuel, the activity around one million years in the cycles with thorium will be higher due to the presence of the not fully decayed U-233.

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Reprocessed uranium (RepU) is the uranium recovered from nuclear reprocessing, as done commercially in France, the UK and Japan and by nuclear weapons states' military plutonium production programs. This uranium actually makes up the bulk of the material separated during reprocessing. Commercial LWR spent nuclear fuel contains on average (excluding cladding) only four percent plutonium, minor actinides and fission products by weight.
Reuse of reprocessed uranium has not been common because of low prices in the uranium market of recent decades, and because of the undesirable isotopic contaminants
In the last few years uranium prices have risen again, and if the price becomes high enough, it is possible that reprocessed uranium will be re-enriched and reused. A higher enrichment level will be required to compensate for the 236U which is lighter than 238U and therefore will concentrate in the enriched product.[2] Also, if fast breeder reactors ever come into commercial use, reprocessed uranium, like depleted uranium, will be usable in their breeding blankets.
There have been some studies involving the use of reprocessed uranium in CANDU reactors. CANDU is designed to use natural uranium as fuel; the U-235 content remaining in spent PWR/BWR fuel is typically greater than that found in natural uranium, allowing the re-enrichment step to be skipped. Fuel cycle tests also have included the DUPIC (Direct Use of spent PWR fuel In CANDU) fuel cycle, where used fuel from a Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR) is packaged into a CANDU fuel bundle with only physical reprocessing (cut into pieces) but no chemical reprocessing.[3]

Depleted uranium (DU) is uranium primarily composed of the isotope uranium-238 (U-238). Natural uranium is about 99.27 percent U-238, 0.72 percent U-235, and 0.0055 percent U-234. U-235 is used for fission in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. Uranium is enriched in U-235 by separating the isotopes by mass. The byproduct of enrichment, called depleted uranium or DU, contains less than one third as much U-235 and U-234 as natural uranium. The external radiation dose from DU is about 60 percent of that from the same mass of natural uranium.[2] DU is also found in reprocessed spent nuclear reactor fuel, but that kind can be distinguished from DU produced as a byproduct of uranium enrichment by the presence of U-236.[3] In the past, DU has been called Q-metal, depletalloy, and D-38.
DU is useful because of its very high density of 19.1 g/cm3. Civilian uses include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shielding in medical radiation therapy and industrial radiography equipment, and containers used to transport radioactive materials. Military uses include defensive armor plating and armor-piercing projectiles.
The use of DU in munitions is controversial because of questions about potential long-term health effects.[4][5] Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure, because uranium is a toxic metal.[6] It is weakly radioactive and remains so because of its long physical half-life (4.468 billion years for uranium-238). The biological half-life (the average time it takes for the human body to eliminate half the amount in the body) for uranium is about 15 days.[7] The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites leading to possible inhalation by human beings.[8] During a three week period of conflict in 2003 in Iraq, 1,000 to 2,000 tonnes of DU munitions were used.[9]
The actual acute and chronic toxicity of DU is also a point of medical controversy. Multiple studies using cultured cells and laboratory rodents suggest the possibility of leukemogenic, genetic, reproductive, and neurological effects from chronic exposure.[4] A 2005 epidemiology review concluded: "In aggregate the human epidemiological evidence is consistent with increased risk of birth defects in offspring of persons exposed to DU."[10] The World Health Organization, the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations which is responsible for setting health research norms and standards, providing technical support to countries and monitoring and assessing health trends,[11] states that no risk of reproductive, developmental, or carcinogenic effects have been reported in humans due to DU exposure.[12][13] This report has been criticized by Dr. Keith Baverstock for not including possible long term effects of DU on human body.[14]
 

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Light it on fire and what are the results?

Because DU is spent fuel rods??? Sound like a good reason?

Hmmm... Ok... so lets read on shall we?

The actual acute and chronic toxicity of DU is also a point of medical controversy. Multiple studies using cultured cells and laboratory rodents suggest the possibility of leukemogenic, genetic, reproductive, and neurological effects from chronic exposure.[4] A 2005 epidemiology review concluded: "In aggregate the human epidemiological evidence is consistent with increased risk of birth defects in offspring of persons exposed to DU."[10] The World Health Organization, the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations which is responsible for setting health research norms and standards, providing technical support to countries and monitoring and assessing health trends,[11] states that no risk of reproductive, developmental, or carcinogenic effects have been reported in humans due to DU exposure.[12][13] This report has been criticized by Dr. Keith Baverstock for not including possible long term effects of DU on human body.[14]

Well...there you are. Thanks for posting this!

The World Health Organization, the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations which is responsible for setting health research norms and standards, providing technical support to countries and monitoring and assessing health trends,[11] states that no risk of reproductive, developmental, or carcinogenic effects have been reported in humans due to DU exposure.[12][13] This report has been criticized by Dr. Keith Baverstock for not including possible long term effects of DU on human body.[14]

Cancon trimmed the good stuff so I'll repeat... Thanks for posting this!
 

petros

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You skipped the part about burning DU or U and any of the likes.


It was a beautiful day in Prypiat until the rods caught fire.......same goes for Hiroshima.

No issues in either of the places after U was combusted?

When are you moving in?



The part you skipped.....

.[7] The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites leading to possible inhalation by human beings.[8]
 

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You skipped the part about burning DU or U and any of the likes.

Ohhhh...no question. When DU is fired... look out and hope you're not in a tank. However as you said...you don't want it on fire i.e fired at your tank.

But inert...harmless as the W.H.O has indicated as well as the Atomic Energy Commision.


It was a beautiful day in Prypiat until the rods caught fire.......same goes for Hiroshima.

Hmmm... Looks like you're moving the goal posts. We weren't using DU rounds on Hiroshima.

No issues in either of the places after U was combusted?

No evidence and posting pictures of deformed children and saying DU did this is not evidence.

When are you moving in?


DU did this?

Getting a little desperate are we? :)

The part you skipped.....

Potentailly... possibly... Well those are hardly conclusive words now are they? Those words are used when the evidence just isn't there.
 

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Hmmm... Looks like you're moving the goal posts. We weren't using DU rounds on Hiroshima.
It's nice example of what happens you combust U or it's still 96% active offspring DU.

Far out there are no people in tanks and zero aerosols coming out the end of a barrel when firing.

Can I watch you smoke some in a pipe?

How about snorting DU oxides? Can I watch that?

Would you work in a uranium mine without wearing a breathing apparatus, gloves and a rubber suit?
 

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It's nice example of what happens you combust U or it's still 96% active offspring DU.

Yes, nuclear fission and radiation can be pretty dangerous. Again... you are scrambling because the topic is not what happens during a nuclear detonation or a meltdown at a nuclear power plant.

Alas... it is about Depleated Uranium. For which you are hopelessly floundering.

Far out there are no people in tanks and zero aerosols coming out the end of a barrel when firing.

You probably don't want to suck on the end of an M1A1 barrel after it is fired. I am sure there is enough carcinogen in the charge that send the DU towards a tank.

Can I watch you smoke some in a pipe?

How about snorting DU oxides? Can I watch that?

Poor guy. This argument isn't going so well for you now is it? I can tell.

Let me refer you back to the World Health Organization and the Atomic Energy Commision... there is NO EVIDENCE that supports your argument.

Would you work in a uranium mine without wearing a breathing apparatus, gloves and a rubber suit?

Totally different topic... but you and I both know that don't we?

Atomic explosions and nuclear meltdowns are COMPLETELY different than DU... but you and I both know that don't we?

So why defend what is an undefendable position when science is not on your side?

I have the Atomic Energy Commission and the World Health Organization on my side.
 

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Atomic explosions and nuclear meltdowns are COMPLETELY different than DU... but you and I both know that don't we?
The radioactive oxides inhaled are all identical coming from U and DU regardless of the type of combustion. Pripyat wasn't a meltdown, there was an explosion and a fire. But you knew that too didn't you?
 

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The radioactive oxides inhaled are all identical coming from U and DU regardless of the type of combustion. Pripyat wasn't a meltdown, there was an explosion and a fire. But you knew that too didn't you?

Radiation is radiation and it all hinges on the amount of RADs you are exposed to. Radiation is used for many things such as cancer treatments, X-Rays, etc.

Chernobyl... was it caused by DU rounds? Or was it something else completely as Hiroshima was something else completely. You don't have to answer as I know the answer, so do you.
 

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The materials at Chernobyl or Hiroshima didn't combust? Far ****ing out!

Well ****. So why did we ban asbestos?