Democratically Elected President Is Ousted By Fascists In Honduras
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Oh yeah. Isn't this when the Brits invited themselves to be conquered by the Dutch? :lol:
"We in Britain can be thankful that our constitutional monarchy has given us political stability that probably no other country on the planet can match."
Yeah sure blackleaf, it had nothing whatever to do with the permanent moat eh.
Yeah sure blackleaf, it had nothing whatever to do with the permanent moat eh.
Not everyone is against what happened in Honduras, as it was mentioned before a legally elected senate voted to remove the President for trying a power grab. His ouster was perfectly legal, it is now up to the people to reinstate him if they want.
Wednesday, July 01, 2009
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[FONT=Palatino,][SIZE=+2]Viva Honduras!
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[FONT=Palatino,]By Ellis Washington
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It was a "coup" in Honduras in a way, but it was really a coup for democracy. ~ Dr. Michael Savage (June 29 show)
The Machiavellian plots of a would-be dictator were unexpectedly thwarted by the Honduran military last Sunday. President Manuel Zelaya, a Marxist socialist who is the protégé of his Venezuelan neighbor, President Hugo Chavez, unsuccessfully tried to turn his country into a banana republic to extend his term in office indefinitely by executive decree. (Can you say Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York?)
The report from Reuters said, in part, "Zelaya, who took office in 2006 and is limited by the constitution to a four-year term that ends in early 2010, had angered the army, courts and Congress by pushing for an unofficial public vote on Sunday to gauge support for his plan to hold a November referendum on allowing presidential re-election."
Of course, Musolini-lite, Hugo Chavez is very angry by this recent "coup" in Honduras. Why? Chavez is worried that his people in Venezuela will get dangerous ideas of liberty and freedom. Coincidentally, Chavez escaped his own coup in 2002; perhaps this time he won't be so lucky. Indeed, dictators can be kicked out of office by force when they contravene the constitution.
Honduran ex-President Zelaya was allowed asylum in Costa Rica. "If holding a poll provokes a coup, the abduction of the president and expulsion from his country, then what kind of democracy are we living in?" Zelaya said in Costa Rica. I answer him in this wise: "Mr. Zelaya, the kind of democracy Hondurans are living in is the very kind that Thomas Jefferson dreamed of for America and eventually for the entire world to enjoy – Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Trapped in Castro's gulag and lived to tell about it – check out Armando Valladares' story of 20 years under dictator's thumb: "Against All Hope"
Here are the opening words of Jefferson's Declaration of Independence:
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The key phrase here is: "it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another." I call that passage the exclusionary clause that any healthy representative democracy or republic must maintain as a last resort when any of its branches of government – executive, legislature or judicial – become unresponsive or even tyrannical to the will of the people. We see these despotic regimes in evidence with Chavez in Venezuela, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran, Zelaya in Honduras and Obama in America. Therefore, it is the sworn duty of We the People, as a civilized body under this social contract, to overthrow any unconstitutional government by force if necessary and re-establish a constitutional one based on the rule of law, liberty and Veritas (truth).
When you really boil these leaders down to their component parts, there isn't much difference in tone, style or substance. They are all neo-Marxist dictators with fascist tendencies. They all hate democratic strictures like freedom, separation of powers, bipartisanship and fidelity to the Constitution.
George Orwell once said, "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." It is so refreshing to see the Honduran military provoke truth by ushering in essence a counterrevolution to oust the would-be tyrant, President Zelaya, and prevent his sham referendum for making him "El Presidente" for life.
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The unfolding events in Honduras remind me of a German proverb – Der Mensch denkt, Gott lenkt – Man proposes, God disposes. In other words, no matter the wicked designs of man plotted in secret places to oppress, disenfranchise and kill his fellow man, in time God will always arise, show Himself to be strong and frustrate and depose the evil intent of tyrants like Zelaya, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-il and Obama.
It is really a beautiful exercise of the doctrine of separation of powers the way Zelaya was summarily and quickly removed from office. The Reuter's story read: "The Supreme Court, which last week came out against Zelaya and ordered him to reinstate fired military chief Vasquez, said on Sunday it had told the army to remove the president. It acted to defend the rule of law," the court said in a statement read on Honduran radio.
For my socialist, progressive and liberal friends who characterize the military action of the Honduran army to be a coup establishing a Cuban-style junta, Reuters wrote: "An opposition deputy said Congress would chose Roberto Micheletti, the head of Congress, as acting president later on Sunday, and Honduras' top electoral court said a presidential election would be held as planned on Nov. 29."
Michael Savage was right; the revolution in Honduras isn't a "coup" against democracy – it is a coup for democracy. Moreover the actions of the Honduran army amount to a counterrevolution to stop president Zelaya's attempted coup.
While I prefer peaceful means to effect political change, history has repeatedly shown us that because of mankind's irredeemable nature, absolute power corrupts absolutely. In the face of utter evil and tyranny, We the People are sometimes left with few options other than overt revolution. Once again, Thomas Jefferson said it best: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Viva Honduras! Viva la revolucion!
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Still waiting for proof that I called for socialism when instead I called for an end to the income tax.
So where is your proof?
So where is your proof?
The House Committee approved of impeachment procedure and he resigned rather than go through the formalities. But he was not forced out, he simply refused to fight the way Clinton did.
If Honduras was a true democracy, it would not have staged a coup. It could have allowed the vote to go on and if approved, amend its constitution. Otherwise, a new president could have been elected in six months.
Now let me ask you this: if a right winger had majority support and was toppled in a coup, how many of this forum's many right wingers would try to justify the coup?
''The last coup in Britain occurred way back in 1688, when the protestant William of Orange deposed the catholic King James II to establish parliamentary democracy.''
I have some Irish pals who would disagree that England's government was so passive in its control of the Isles as you suggest.
I have some Irish pals who would disagree that England's government was so passive in its control of the Isles as you suggest.
'' have, and you certainly are a card carrying member of the morally bankrupt left gopher. You continuously dismiss fact, evidence and commonsense to hold up your strawman theories and silly love of all left wing dictators.''
Typical reich wing horseschitt answer. Except for Castro all left wing president in Latin America were democratically elected. It was your Republican hero Eisenhower who allowed Castro into power just like your other Republican hero Reagan financed the Taliban and led to the creation of Al-Qaeda. And as I have documented on this forum before, Zionism which you love so much is a socialist ideology. Theodore Herzl (founder of Zionism) was a socialist.
ANYBODY WHO DEFENDS ZIONISM (AS DO THE FORUM RIGHT WINGERS) ARE SOCIALISTS.
Typical reich wing horseschitt answer. Except for Castro all left wing president in Latin America were democratically elected. It was your Republican hero Eisenhower who allowed Castro into power just like your other Republican hero Reagan financed the Taliban and led to the creation of Al-Qaeda. And as I have documented on this forum before, Zionism which you love so much is a socialist ideology. Theodore Herzl (founder of Zionism) was a socialist.
ANYBODY WHO DEFENDS ZIONISM (AS DO THE FORUM RIGHT WINGERS) ARE SOCIALISTS.
several military leaders who led the coup against democratically elected Zelaya were trained in the fascist ''School of the Americas'' in Georgia:
ISS - Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.
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Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.
At least two leaders of the coup launched in Honduras on June 28 were apparently trained at a controversial Department of Defense school based at Fort Benning, Georgia infamous for producing graduates linked to torture, death squads and other human rights abuses.
Leftist President Manuel Zelaya was kidnapped and transported to Costa Rica on Sunday morning after a growing controversy over a vote concerning term limits. Over the last week, Zelaya clashed with and eventually dismissed General Romeo Vasquez -- who is now reportedly in charge of the armed forces that abducted the Honduran president.
According to the watchdog group School of Americas Watch, Gen. Vasquez trained at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation at least twice -- in 1976 and 1984 -- when it was still called School of Americas.
The Georgia-based U.S. military school is infamous for training over 60,000 Latin American soldiers, including infamous dictators, "death squad" leaders and others charged with torture and other human rights abuses. SOA Watch's annual protest to shut down the Fort Benning training site draws thousands.
According to SOA Watch, the U.S. Army school has a particularly checkered record in Honduras, with over 50 graduates who have been intimately involved in human rights abuses. In 1975, SOA Graduate General Juan Melgar Castro became the military dictator of Honduras. From 1980-1982 the dictatorial Honduran regime was headed by yet another SOA graduate, Policarpo Paz Garcia, who intensified repression and murder by Battalion 3-16, one of the most feared death squads in all of Latin America (founded by Honduran SOA graduates with the help of Argentine SOA graduates).
General Vasquez isn't the only leader in the Honduras coup linked to the U.S. training facility. As Kristin Bricker points out:
ISS - Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.
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Key leaders of Honduras military coup trained in U.S.
At least two leaders of the coup launched in Honduras on June 28 were apparently trained at a controversial Department of Defense school based at Fort Benning, Georgia infamous for producing graduates linked to torture, death squads and other human rights abuses.
Leftist President Manuel Zelaya was kidnapped and transported to Costa Rica on Sunday morning after a growing controversy over a vote concerning term limits. Over the last week, Zelaya clashed with and eventually dismissed General Romeo Vasquez -- who is now reportedly in charge of the armed forces that abducted the Honduran president.
According to the watchdog group School of Americas Watch, Gen. Vasquez trained at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation at least twice -- in 1976 and 1984 -- when it was still called School of Americas.
The Georgia-based U.S. military school is infamous for training over 60,000 Latin American soldiers, including infamous dictators, "death squad" leaders and others charged with torture and other human rights abuses. SOA Watch's annual protest to shut down the Fort Benning training site draws thousands.
According to SOA Watch, the U.S. Army school has a particularly checkered record in Honduras, with over 50 graduates who have been intimately involved in human rights abuses. In 1975, SOA Graduate General Juan Melgar Castro became the military dictator of Honduras. From 1980-1982 the dictatorial Honduran regime was headed by yet another SOA graduate, Policarpo Paz Garcia, who intensified repression and murder by Battalion 3-16, one of the most feared death squads in all of Latin America (founded by Honduran SOA graduates with the help of Argentine SOA graduates).
General Vasquez isn't the only leader in the Honduras coup linked to the U.S. training facility. As Kristin Bricker points out:
The head of the Air Force, Gen. Luis Javier Prince Suazo, studied in the School of the Americas in 1996. The Air Force has been a central protagonist in the Honduran crisis. When the military refused to distribute the ballot boxes for the opinion poll, the ballot boxes were stored on an Air Force base until citizens accompanied by Zelaya rescued them. Zelaya reports that after soldiers kidnapped him, they took him to an Air Force base, where he was put on a plane and sent to Costa Rica.
Oh yeah -- wonderful practitioners of democracy one and all.
Oh yeah -- wonderful practitioners of democracy one and all.
Marx, Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin...all Ashkenazi. Stalin even went as far as trying to give Jews all the land they wanted and even built them a city all their own, built homesteads, supplied all the needed farm equipment, built synagogues, a Jewish university the whole works.
When the trouble started in Western Europe in the 20's Stalin above anyone else did the most with a helluva lot of foresight to save a lot of lives and keep peace instead of the crappy fate he knew was coming.
Many came few stayed. Right to this day all through the post Stalin commie era the synagogues stayed open and the Jews allowed to openly practice their religion.
Funny thing is... Today that city is sitting amid gold, oil and other mineral wealth that is mind boggling.
Ya snooze ya lose I guess huh?
We have a lot of ignorant Canadians on this forum who think they know American history and politics. But if anybody thinks the so called School of the Americas is not a fasicst organization that has trained far right dictators and military, they are not only stupid but supremely f*cked up as well.
Nice try but no. Why don't you try something completely different and actually try to back up what you say. I know it must be awfully difficult to provide evidence that the Honduran Congress is made up of Fascists. I'll even accept something made up. I do, after all, understand who I'm dealing with.
A couple weeks ago when I found out there was a Pinochet museum a few blocks from my guest suite I had to check it out.
He was a highly supportive of the SOA so his wife proudly boasted.
Pinochet was a supreme nut job they have toy soldiers he played with on display.
Texaco and Pepsi funded his shenanigans and the murder of Allende.
''I know it must be awfully difficult to provide evidence that the Honduran Congress is made up of Fascists.''
Brilliant answer. As if democrats or republicans for that matter engage in a coup and exile a democratically elected leader.
Keep trying.
Brilliant answer. As if democrats or republicans for that matter engage in a coup and exile a democratically elected leader.
Keep trying.