Defence? Sorry, not allowed. Off to jail with you.

[VanIsle]

Ask a lawyer. There's more to a defense than just innocent or guilty. I don't need to ask a Lawyer. I'm well aware of that and I worked in a law firm for five years. And no, I don't think 6 months is severe. However, one judge sentencing some kid who was street racing and injured someone to six months while another judge sentencing a kid who injured no-one to 5 years is stupid, but it's been known to happen over all manners of convictions. Neither you, me or the police will ever have any effect on any judge's decision. An officer can walk into court with all the proof he needs to prove a murder has occurred and the judge will let the offender off on a technicality.
Perhaps you'd just as soon hang them all regardless of severity of offense. Balogna. Kids race everywhere. Yes, it does. Nah. It's also been known to happen that a cop will charge someone for no legal reason. They can lay all the charges they want. It's up to the court to decide whether or not they will let the charge stick.
We know of two cops from Kelowna, for instance, whose testimonies were refused in court because both had manufactured offences and lied on the stand. One of them, a Cst. D. Jacklin, even tried convincing the court that a 1960 something Volkswagon Beetle averaged 130 MPH between Penticton and Kelowna and that was on the old highway. Well, if he only "tried" then I assume he lost. Was that D. Jacklin or G. Jacklin? and what year? If anyone was speeding on the old road, they would have needed something like a Beetle to navigate the turns. (I'm just trying to lighten things up a bit - you're getting way too serious).
Perhaps you think in yes or no, right or wrong, black or white, but not everyone does, fortunately. People charged are entitled to a defense whether you like it or not.

I never said once that a person was not entitled to a defence. I said there was no defence in street racing but that carries a whole different meaning than saying that a person is not entitled to a defence. I did in fact say they were entitled to their day in court. Street racing to me was the same as Drag racing and Tenpenny has stated that what he is referring to is not the same thing so there shouldn't be any arguement here because any of us talking about drag racing are off topic.
Of course kids race everywhere. This story is about STREET racing. That's twice you've suggested I would just as soon hang them all. Don't be so silly.

 

[VanIsle]

Many responses are based more on emotions than facts (even my own once in a blue moon) When a cop shoots a kid in the back of the head for stealing his doughnut, that is going to get a lot more responses than when he helps a 104 year old lady pack her groceries up 10 stories.

This is not a topic based on emotions or facts. It was a question that reallly got out of hand.

 

[TenPenny]

Everyone is getting completely out of control and mixed up here. I thought we were only talking about street racing and anyone caught in Ontario was not going to be allowed a defence! .

I was talking about the Ontario 'street racing law', which has very little to do with street racing.

 

[TenPenny]

I never said once that a person was not entitled to a defence. I said there was no defence in street racing but that carries a whole different meaning than saying that a person is not entitled to a defence. I did in fact say they were entitled to their day in court. Street racing to me was the same as Drag racing and Tenpenny has stated that what he is referring to is not the same thing so there shouldn't be any arguement here because any of us talking about drag racing are off topic.
Of course kids race everywhere. This story is about STREET racing. That's twice you've suggested I would just as soon hang them all. Don't be so silly.

No, it's about the Ontario street racing law, which has to do with speeding, spinning your tires, and making a left turn in front of other people.

That's why they called it that, so that everyone will get emotional, and ignore the stupidity of it. There have been people nailed under this law, such as an off-duty cop driving an unmarked car (I doubt that car was impounded for 7 days, although it was supposed to be); a garbage truck; a 50 year old man on his way to a doctors appointment; a 62 year old grandmother.

It is not about punks drag racing in the street, that's simply the emotions they want to stir up, so that people will think it's a good law.

 

[JLM]

I was talking about the Ontario 'street racing law', which has very little to do with street racing.

How so?

 

[AnnaG]

I never said once that a person was not entitled to a defence. I said there was no defence in street racing but that carries a whole different meaning than saying that a person is not entitled to a defence. I did in fact say they were entitled to their day in court. Street racing to me was the same as Drag racing and Tenpenny has stated that what he is referring to is not the same thing so there shouldn't be any arguement here because any of us talking about drag racing are off topic.

As I said, there is more to a defense than just guilt or innocence.

Of course kids race everywhere. This story is about STREET racing.

Yeah. This is a rural area. there are about 400 people living between about 5000 hectares here. The street that our driveway comes off is pretty flat and straight for drags, but winds around quite a bit farther up the road. I am not sure about lately but the have been races fairly regularly since we moved here. Apparently, it is common practise to see if one can drive a certain stretch of the street in as short a time as possible. So, yes, street racing happens everywhere kids make it happen.

That's twice you've suggested I would just as soon hang them all. Don't be so silly.

Have to add a little humor sometimes, you know.

ON is off its rails.

 

[AnnaG]

I was talking about the Ontario 'street racing law', which has very little to do with street racing.

.... and more to do with Nazism. lol

 

[AnnaG]

No, it's about the Ontario street racing law, which has to do with speeding, spinning your tires, and making a left turn in front of other people.

That's why they called it that, so that everyone will get emotional, and ignore the stupidity of it. There have been people nailed under this law, such as an off-duty cop driving an unmarked car (I doubt that car was impounded for 7 days, although it was supposed to be); a garbage truck; a 50 year old man on his way to a doctors appointment; a 62 year old grandmother.

It is not about punks drag racing in the street, that's simply the emotions they want to stir up, so that people will think it's a good law.

Yeah, nazism.

 

[JLM]

I was talking about the Ontario 'street racing law', which has very little to do with street racing.

I think we get it. I interpret it to cover ALL improper driving, BUT I would concede that "street racing law" is a good name as that is probably the deadliest of the infractions. I think everyone with an I.Q. of over 7 can savvy that. I'm not clear as to how they think they could get an automatic conviction. Gas pedals have been known to stick.

 

[VanIsle]

No, it's about the Ontario street racing law, which has to do with speeding, spinning your tires, and making a left turn in front of other people.

That's why they called it that, so that everyone will get emotional, and ignore the stupidity of it. There have been people nailed under this law, such as an off-duty cop driving an unmarked car (I doubt that car was impounded for 7 days, although it was supposed to be); a garbage truck; a 50 year old man on his way to a doctors appointment; a 62 year old grandmother.

It is not about punks drag racing in the street, that's simply the emotions they want to stir up, so that people will think it's a good law.

Hey! I'm a 62 year old Grandmother ;-) and on any given day, I can quite mistakenly, pull away from a stop sign and screech my tires (much to my embarrassment) and I guess that would be spinning my tires. While I know better I am often guilty of having a heavy foot but have been fortunate enough not to get caught (yet). It has nothing to do with my husband's former profession. There is not a single cop in this city or any near us that know or care who I am. Quite honestly, while we lived in a little town near by us, I left my house in a huff one day and "spun" my tires as I left. I went to the police office in fact and since it's years ago, I don't remember why. When I walked in I was faced down by one of the guys that worked for my husband who told me he had just received a call regarding my performance. I expected a ticket at that time. He gave me a talking to but he said that since the caller refused to give their name, he would for that time let it go. I never once left the driveway in that same manner again.
That is a stupid "law" because the things you speak of can happen on hot pavement, wet pavement or a simple "oops" for a split second when you touch the gas peddle and then let it off when you realize what you've done.

 

[TenPenny]

I'm not clear as to how they think they could get an automatic conviction. Gas pedals have been known to stick.

Simply being given a ticket under this law will mean that the car is impounded, on the spot, for 7 days.