Death to America......

John Muff

John Muff

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Who cares ?

Curiosity said:
John Muff

Honestly - the U.S. could care less whether they are regarded as "bad sometimes" or "hated and wished dead" by others.

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Strangely they are never credited for the good work they do.... but don't expect that either.
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Hi there,

I tried to find an event where I could congratulate the work done by the Bush administration but cannot find one. I am sure I may miss something, but I cannot remember a single event where they took a neutral stand. US administrations, by how they are conceived let judgments to a sole individual too many times a year to produce a stable game plan. The Bush administration cannot hide itself behind a sole man thinking he hold the key to war. He can build and had the UNFAIR ability to conceived and mastermind the attacks on Irak.

Canada has followed the UN in Afganistan because, back then, we supported, in close majority the engagement. We are not more reasponsible than the percentage of our support for current conflict; as the US are too, in their engagements... Than the President (PM, in Canada) hold the balance to 100%...

i.e.: We, Canadians, recently declined on our supports to troops, a/p combined survey's, to a support of about 45% in average, we are than, responsible for it to this extend, and Harper currently hold the balance.

I think we can now understand better how I grade Mr. Bush on my responsibility list. All others, including the war & Rumsfelt, hehe, is just a chess game for him...

Take care *Curiosity* and make sure to make distinctions yourself between the Bush Admin and the US citizens. THEY DO CARE about how they are perceived by non-extremists everywhere. I am not god, neither you are to judge 300M citizens point of views. The last person I know who did that went to war on it's own words... BTW, if you know any GREAT acheivements by the US Administration that never hid/or is hiding an agenda, let me know. I would like to know.

John Muff
 
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MikeyDB

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Hey John, America shut down them rowdy Nips right smartly at the end of WWII now didn't they?
 
gearheaded1

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Video disturbing...

The video posted herein is really disturbing.

It's hard to know how widespread the propaganda is directly to children on the "hate the West" theme, though this video clip segment really seems to paint a lousy picture.

It's hard to change the mindset of a large portion of a population, no matter how good one country's intentions are, when generations are raised on hatred.

You can't change that... it takes generations.

We need to give the "new democracies" the tools to get on with it, train them up, and leave them to it. If "we" micro-manage the process, the resentment will increase, and it'll get worse.

Cheers!
 
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MikeyDB

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Gearheaded1

Curiosity has all but captured with a certain spartan eloquence mind you, the spirit of American entrepreneurial spirit that's been the way America has forged other peoples perceptions of America for decades....whether or not American's care or couldn't be bothered to consider...

For example this article from Harpers permits us to see the elegance of the American neocon engine at its best...


http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html

 
gearheaded1

gearheaded1

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No better time than the present.

Considering the absence of the post war plan (thanks for the link), no better time than the present to move onto Plan B. I maintain that the quicker the States can pass the tools onto a new government, the better. Plant some seeds of capitalism and let it grow. And don't mess with it too frequently...
 
Curiosity

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JohnMuff

Read my post again and try very hard not to start your spin before you understand what I was saying....

Americans do not care because they are going to be called many names by many nations. Even you from your lofty perch pontificate gratuitously: US are bad sometimes, but it NEVER require death. You then go on to say you are not god... how eloquent. Perhaps being the Nag to the North is enough - more humane than god. What would Canadians do without their constant bashing of the people to the south? Play hockey? Drink? Beat their chests in self congratulations? What do you do that makes you "better" than another nation?

Americans do not always "feel they are right" - that is coming from your personal opinion. If they were always right - why is there such heavy bickering between the two major parties vying for the peoples' votes and power? They are the first to admit errors, in public, on the media, in another country, not whispering and gossiping on internet forums.

Know why the U.S. gets bashed? They get involved - not to change the world into democracy but for various reasons:

There were directed by the U.N. to be involved, or they were asked to take part in an event, they are protecting their financial and economic interests aborad...or they were injured themselves. There have been over 29 terrorist incidents perpetrated against Americans since the Munich Olympic Games in 1972 - probably before then but I didn't research it fully.

9/11? The young men who flew the American planes into American sites were trained in the U.S. by Americans so they could competently do the savagery they put out on the people in the country. They entered the U.S. through the open door policy that everyone is a welcome visitor or potential citizen to the land if that is their goal and they wish to take part in the great experiment called a united peoples. They especially welcome and assist students from other nations who wish to study within the their nation. That is how the Saudi terrorist pilots were able to sign on for flight training.

I often wonder why Canada escapes with such a good reputation and reading smart remarks like yours I realize yet again an old adage :
Stay out of it - save your trouble and energy - don't take part - and nobody will blame you - be liked by other nations - don't be "American".

It seems so odd that among the Canadian anti-American rhetoric we are always treated to "You guys were late joining in WWI and WWII"..... and yet we are reviled for getting involved in VietNam and the Middle East when there were no offers on the table.

Americans don't care what is said about them - they don't need to care - they are too busy taking care of themselves and others who need help........ the sideliners and blame-layers aren't important.
 
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Curiosity

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MikeyDBp

In an earlier post to you on the topic of ME in Philosophy I believe - you took after me personally in a number of posts and I told you I would not respond and would try not to irritate you further on this forum.

Perhaps you did not read my post - and while I have no intention of replying to your rude remarks yet again torwards me here.....I ask you to find another member to stalk for a while and refrain from your
constant barrage towards me personally.

Review your posts MikeyDB - see how many you have addressed to Curiosity. I don't mind the occasional hit - but you are becoming obsessed.

In sum: Back Off.
 
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Curiosity

If you can offer something other than this tripe you pass off as considered opinion then I'd be more than happy to live and let live....

Your portrait of America as the "getting-on-with-it" (business and "American Life") regardless of what the world thinks.... that Canadians should't be too greatly influenced by American politics and economic thuggery on the international plane....that America is just wonderful and the rest of the world is either mistaken or so Anti-American (for no good reason of course) reasonable discourse is pointless....

I'll borrow a great American axiom from one of the Marx Brothers...."If you can't stand the heat...."
 
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Curiosity

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MikeyDB

If you regard my opinion as tripe - pass over it - or comment rationally if you must. As I understand forums life to be - we coexist giving our opinions and whether we agree or not makes a lively interlude for some in our world of news and politics.

I again repeat I am sorry for irritating you.

Perhaps the following quotation might be more your style. I found it appropriate with regard to what I was writing about the American people getting on with life... rather than gnawing on their fingers about the "Death to America"....comment....which I would find offensive written towards any nation.

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.
"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Theodore Roosevelt,
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910
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Curiosity

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Hi Colpy

Before this morning I didn't know this quotation existed.

I left the forum and went cruising on a few others to calm down because the title of this thread had repulsed me - I could never utter those words against the people of any nation - even those whose
trend these days is to develop terrorism....

Serendipity found me - as often something will if we are looking out for relief or change: The quote
by Roosevelt fit the bill I was looking for..... and of course the words written were far clearer and far
kinder than any I could have dreamed up.

That quote just fit and is appropriate even now when that particular famous man has long since gone past
knowing what profound words he uttered still applicable in the year 2006.
 
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Curiosity said:
JohnMuff
Americans do not care because they are going to be called many names by many nations. Even you from your lofty perch pontificate gratuitously: US are bad sometimes, but it NEVER require death. You then go on to say you are not god... how eloquent. Perhaps being the Nag to the North is enough - more humane than god. What would Canadians do without their constant bashing of the people to the south? Play hockey? Drink? Beat their chests in self congratulations? What do you do that makes you "better" than another nation?
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Do you not think that there is just as much (if not more) Canadian bashing south of the border? You've just done it in your post: "beat their chests in self congratulations".

Know why the U.S. gets bashed? They get involved - not to change the world into democracy but for various reasons:

I often wonder why Canada escapes with such a good reputation and reading smart remarks like yours I realize yet again an old adage :
Stay out of it - save your trouble and energy - don't take part - and nobody will blame you - be liked by other nations - don't be "American".
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Canada gets involved when it believes it is the "right" thing to do. For example, Canada got involved in Afghanistan, Kosovo, The Gulf war, Korea, World War II etc... Canada stayed out of conflicts that it belives were not thing right thing to do, for example Iraq, Vietnam, etc...
 
The Project Man

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The hate mongering happens mostly in private. From all people, races, creeds, etc. etc. most opinions are formed through dis-information.

If you thought the G. Beck program was scary......
If you want to see it from our side of the pond watch this....


and part 2



If retribution is the correct way, I will lookout for bows and arrows and a scalping. The Canadians should lookout for spears and clubs. No Canadian bashing meant 'GC', just truthful.

Waring will continue no matter what changes are made. The manipulation of the people to do the dirty work changes along with the tide.

Hate is a 'bad word' and I was told as child to use it wisely. Maybe that is why I do not strap dynamite to my ass and blow stuff up. There are many different ways to spread hate. What the G. Beck program has showed was just one way of 'radically' doing it.
 
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