Death knell for AGW
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It may be a wealth redistribution scheme. However, that says nothing as to whether or not AGW is occurring. Welath distribution will not affect the radiative properties of a carbon dioxide molecule.
But it will have a negative effect on our economy and way of life while doing nothing to further reducing emissions. IF that was ever the goal.
Still doesn't change the fact that escalating CO2 in our atmosphere is heating the world up.
Best I can make out from articles on here and elsewhere that is at best a dubious theory and possibly an outright lie. IF and that is a big IF man made CO2 Is the cause then that is what we should be concentrating on rather than a UN sponsored wealth redistribution, which seems to be the only cure put forward by the believers. Most of the believers are a cross between chicken little and the kid that cried wolf once too often.
Not really that dubious. CO2 is increasing. In all likelihood we are causing it and it is causing things to heat up. That is not very difficult to show. The believers may be offering up remedies that don't appeal to you, but at least they are facing reality, whereas you and the rest of the tightie righties are still in denial and really just getting in the way at this point.
Meaning the people that are going to foot the bill and have to deal with all the problems are rightfully reluctant to part with their money on the sayso of a bunch with a personal agenda.
I spent a lot of years fighting tree huggers that claimed we were destroying the earth. All bull $hit. Remember Stumpy? Didn't come from where they claimed. Clearcut moonscapes? Nonexistant. Everything grows back in BC. Just so happens that a lot of these so called people are now on the globull warming bandwagon.
Come up with a viable solution that will give us either an economic or political (ideally both)advantage and the people that matter will listen.
I understand not wanting to part with your money. I don't understand the denial. Why not admit the rather evident truth that anthropogenic emissions of carbon dioxide are causing the world to heat up some, and continue right on hanging on to your money? I have no solution. We wil simply expand to consume all resources the way a virus does. That's what life does.
It's hardly bold. Generally very welll accepted outside the rabid right echosphere.
Is the Sun driving ozone and changing the climate?
Is the Sun driving ozone and changing the climate? « JoNova
protip: it is
Is the Sun driving ozone and changing the climate? « JoNova
protip: it is
??? the "Stephen Wilde hypothesis"... member Locutus, can ya help a brother out here... I can't seem to find this "hypothesis" published/referenced anywhere. Well... anywhere but on the guy's own blog... and, of course, on denier blogs linked back to the guy's own blog. As I said, on the "Wilde" blog :mrgreen:, the "Wilde" guy publishes it himself... and that's dated 2010. Do you know Locutus, is the "Wilde" guy still shopping his personal "blog publication" around and looking for an actual scientific journal that will accept it? The telling point for me, member Locutus, is that the "Wilde" guy offers up a bit of a blog role to such esteemed resources as well known (similarly unpublished) blog deniers, "Bob Tisdale" and "Tallbloke"!!! Denier blog science rules, hey! 8O
yawn... c'mon lil' taxi..... let's have you step out again - go for another two-fer!
Hey waldo how is the ice free arctic thingy coming along? I was thinking of running over to visit some friends in Nova Scotia and don't feel like doing the cannel.
Fred Singer with more explanation on the pause of warming.
Articles: Cause of Pause in Global Warming
Now we await the ad hominem post saying that Singer has no qualification on this subject.
Articles: Cause of Pause in Global Warming
Now we await the ad hominem post saying that Singer has no qualification on this subject.
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sure Walter... that 90-year old geezer, industry shill, former mouthpiece for Big Tobacco, the guy who hasn't published anything directly atmospheric/space related since the late 60s, renowned denier... your kind of "expert", hey Walter? Sourcewatch has a fine accounting of all of Singer's past/current industry/denier attachments; you should check it out Walter!
but Walter, member Locutus already beat you to the punch and posted this earlier... my same response:
from the godfather 'Fred Singer' no less! :mrgreen: Well done, Locutus! As a few here have shown, there is no pause... there has been a slower rate of warming based on surface temperature readings of certain datasets. Your article author's first sentence speaks to the purposeful cherry-pick to align with the anomalous 97/98 ENSO event; one that can be measured against this graphic that shows the BS for what it truly is:
you've also been apprised that some of the surface temperature datasets lack coverage of station data from remote areas of the earth (like the Arctic, like areas of Africa) that are warming the most. In that regard, it was member Tonington that offered a reference to the Cowtan/Way hybridization method to upgrade the HadCRUT4 dataset... one that allows you interactively to bring forward your own results for surface temperature warming... results like the following; results that clearly show there has been no pause. Notwithstanding, of course, that this doesn't even factor the warming of the oceans where more than 90% of all warming goes into:
Heilige Scheisse! Even the Germans have found this article.
http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index....ihnachten_polkappen_sind_stabiler_als_gedacht
http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index....ihnachten_polkappen_sind_stabiler_als_gedacht
Ice not melting, fewer ships sailing in Arctic
Predictions of increased ship traffic in the wake of diminished sea ice in Arctic waters may have been premature, said Malte Humpert, executive director of the Arctic Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based think-tank .
"I think 2014 kind of shows that development and Arctic shipping may be further off than we might have thought a few years ago, that the ice is not melting as quickly as previously predicted," Humpert said. [...]
Joel Plouffe, a Montreal-based managing editor of the journal Arctic Yearbook, said access remains limited and development is expensive in the Arctic.
"This is the reality. The boom is not there. And whatever will happen will take years and years and years," he said.
Ice not melting, fewer ships sailing in Arctic - Winnipeg Free Press
Predictions of increased ship traffic in the wake of diminished sea ice in Arctic waters may have been premature, said Malte Humpert, executive director of the Arctic Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based think-tank .
"I think 2014 kind of shows that development and Arctic shipping may be further off than we might have thought a few years ago, that the ice is not melting as quickly as previously predicted," Humpert said. [...]
Joel Plouffe, a Montreal-based managing editor of the journal Arctic Yearbook, said access remains limited and development is expensive in the Arctic.
"This is the reality. The boom is not there. And whatever will happen will take years and years and years," he said.
Ice not melting, fewer ships sailing in Arctic - Winnipeg Free Press