Deadly US "interventions" World wide

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Syria: Obama Threatens U.S. Military Intervention

Syria: Obama Threatens U.S. Military Intervention


here we go again. American major (and getting to be only) "export". Death, destruction and other atrocities that result from same.

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I read your sources, Obama never Threatened U.S. Military Intervention against Syria. Your sources are about as anti American as you can get. Look who your quoting now.
"Sara Flounders is the Co- Director of the International Action Center - an organization opposing US militarism, corporate globalization, racism and war. The IAC, initiated by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, combines grassroots activism with mass mobilizations and protest activities.
 
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this is not an anti american issue. It is about aggression being such a readily considered option. Other sources have mentioned this too. Now, whether it is just verbal bullying or actually a planned intervention........remains to be seen. It IS evident that the US wants a regime change there. (even if regime changes are illegal ..)

......with Iraq.....the regime change pandora's box has been opened and now the US is making it "legal"...one way or another...depending on how they phrase things. It is all about language in most cases now.
 
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this is not an anti american issue. It is about aggression being such a readily considered option. Other sources have mentioned this too. Now, whether it is just verbal bullying or actually a planned intervention........remains to be seen. It IS evident that the US wants a regime change there. (even if regime changes are illegal ..)

......with Iraq.....the regime change pandora's box has been opened and now the US is making it "legal"...one way or another...depending on how they phrase things. It is all about language in most cases now.
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A lot of countries want him out, Obama did not say any more or less than anyone else. Hey I want him out also, oes that mean I am going to initiate the change, no. The U.S. did not initiate the war with Libya either, that was Europe's fiasco, all we did was provide initial air cover as our UN buddies requested. See we do support our so called friends as stupid as that maybe.
 
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There could come a day sometime in the future where someone is attacking canada, but those awful
u.s. roughnecks south of us better not come to our aid, that would be initiating war again, jeesh.
We are so lucky, and feel the safeness of a security blanket with them close by. No they are not
perfect, who is.

yes bear, it seems it doesn't matter what others do to their own people, or others, eg. iraq moving
into Kuwait. At saudi arabia's request, the u.s. was right there to drive them back, or kuwait would
have been devoured by iraq very quickly.
I guess, how others treat others around the world, is just 'out of sight, out of mind' for many, until
the u.s. offer assistance then its all about u.s. agression.

I certainly couldn't tolerate george bush, and I do think the u.s. would have behaved in a better way,
without him at the helm, but I do have to separate him and what he did from the rest of their history.
 
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Afghanistan: America's 9/11 War

Both the US media and the Obama administration continue to describe the October 2001 invasion of Afghanistan as a war of "self-defense'.

The legal argument used by Washington and NATO to invade Afghanistan was that the September 11 attacks constituted an undeclared "armed attack" "from abroad" by an unnamed foreign power, and that consequently "the laws of war" apply, allowing the nation under attack, to strike back in the name of "self-defense".

To this date, however, there is no proof that Al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks. Neither is there evidence that Afghanistan as a Nation State was behind or in any way complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

The Afghan government in the weeks following 9/11, offered on two occasions, through diplomatic channels to deliver Osama bin Laden to US justice, if there were preliminary evidence of his involvement in the attacks. These offers were refused by Washington.

Ten years later, Afghanistan is a country which has been destroyed. Its economy and institutions are shattered. Its social infrastructure was never rebuilt. What we dealing with is a pretext and justification to commit extensive war crimes against a country which does not, by any stretch of the imagination constitute a threat to the security of America and the Western World.

We bring to the attention of our readers a compendium of selected articles and videos (2010-2011) on Afghanistan which document the causes as well as the dramatic consequences of the US-NATO led war on an impoverished country of Central Asia.

It is our hope that this material will also be useful to college, university and high school students

Afghanistan: America's 9/11 War. Selected articles and videos
 
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Ocean Breeze said:
Afghanistan: America's 9/11 War

Both the US media and the Obama administration continue to describe the October 2001 invasion of Afghanistan as a war of "self-defense'.

The legal argument used by Washington and NATO to invade Afghanistan was that the September 11 attacks constituted an undeclared "armed attack" "from abroad" by an unnamed foreign power, and that consequently "the laws of war" apply, allowing the nation under attack, to strike back in the name of "self-defense".

To this date, however, there is no proof that Al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks. Neither is there evidence that Afghanistan as a Nation State was behind or in any way complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

The Afghan government in the weeks following 9/11, offered on two occasions, through diplomatic channels to deliver Osama bin Laden to US justice, if there were preliminary evidence of his involvement in the attacks. These offers were refused by Washington.

Ten years later, Afghanistan is a country which has been destroyed. Its economy and institutions are shattered. Its social infrastructure was never rebuilt. What we dealing with is a pretext and justification to commit extensive war crimes against a country which does not, by any stretch of the imagination constitute a threat to the security of America and the Western World.

We bring to the attention of our readers a compendium of selected articles and videos (2010-2011) on Afghanistan which document the causes as well as the dramatic consequences of the US-NATO led war on an impoverished country of Central Asia.

It is our hope that this material will also be useful to college, university and high school students

Afghanistan: America's 9/11 War. Selected articles and videos
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We are so lucky, and feel the safeness of a security blanket with them close by
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So in your mind......it is just fine for Canada to hide behind the US apron strings for "security" etc etc??? Little wonder the US feels it can do and say what it wants about Canada. IMHO.......for those that are so enamoured by the US and its wars based on lies , why not move there and see what the reality of being "american" is like .

It would be much smarter for Canada to quietly maintain a neutral position and exercise care and wisdom before getting involved in US interventions around the world. One of the smartest things Cretien did was to refuse to get involved in the Iraq illegal invasion of greed and personal revenge.

It was so revealing ......Cretien asked for proof of what the US was claiming. The USG said "they did not have to provide proof"......implication being we were to take their words on face value and not question them. The stupidity and arrogance of that american attitude did not help them any. Not that they care.

what is totally pathetic is seeing Canadians behaving like american wanna bes. Like I said.....you want to be american....move there. And let us who love Canada (knowing she is still a very young nation and going through the proverbial growing pains ) can help her grow into a nation to be respected. Not an easy job at best given the quality of politicians we have . Reality is that there are plusses and minuses to having the US next door. We don't have much choice on that one so ;it is critical to make that relationship work as positively as possible.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
 
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Ocean Breeze said:
So in your mind......it is just fine for Canada to hide behind the US apron strings for "security" etc etc??? Little wonder the US feels it can do and say what it wants about Canada. IMHO.......for those that are so enamoured by the US and its wars based on lies , why not move there and see what the reality of being "american" is like .

It would be much smarter for Canada to quietly maintain a neutral position and exercise care and wisdom before getting involved in US interventions around the world. One of the smartest things Cretien did was to refuse to get involved in the Iraq illegal invasion of greed and personal revenge.

It was so revealing ......Cretien asked for proof of what the US was claiming. The USG said "they did not have to provide proof"......implication being we were to take their words on face value and not question them. The stupidity and arrogance of that american attitude did not help them any. Not that they care.

what is totally pathetic is seeing Canadians behaving like american wanna bes. Like I said.....you want to be american....move there. And let us who love Canada (knowing she is still a very young nation and going through the proverbial growing pains ) can help her grow into a nation to be respected. Not an easy job at best given the quality of politicians we have . Reality is that there are plusses and minuses to having the US next door. We don't have much choice on that one so ;it is critical to make that relationship work as positively as possible.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
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Now you are saying Canada hides behind the United States for security, how little faith you have in Canada.
 
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Back to subject. Yes we do intervene World Wide. Glad we do.

U.S. says it foiled Iranian-backed plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador


The United States said Tuesday it had disrupted an Iranian-backed plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington, D.C. the Justice Department said Tuesday. The stunning accusations came in a Justice Department criminal complaint unsealed Tuesday afternoon at a press conference featuring Attorney General Eric Holder, FBI Director Robert Mueller and a team of Justice Department prosecutors. The key suspect charged in the plot, a naturalized Iranian-American citizen identified as Manssor Arbabsiar, was arrested late last month at JFK Airport; a second accused conspirator named in the complaint, an alleged Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps-Qods Force official identified as Gohlam Shakuri, remains at large and is believed to be in Iran. The five-count criminal complaint also refers to other unnamed conspirators in the plot and suggested they also were members of the Qods force in Iran.



U.S. says it foiled Iranian-backed plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador | The Envoy - Yahoo! News
 
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Now you are saying Canada hides behind the United States for security, how little faith you have in Canada.
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do you actually READ anything here ?? (besides your own views??) I never said that. I noted that someone else INFERRED THAT. and please don't ASSume what faith I have in Canada. Irrelavent to the topic.

Makes one wonder about the quality of education some are exposed to.

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Ocean Breeze said:
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do you actually READ anything here ?? (besides your own views??) I never said that. I noted that someone else INFERRED THAT. and please don't ASSume what faith I have in Canada. Irrelavent to the topic.

Makes one wonder about the quality of education some are exposed to.

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October 15, 2011 BNO" -- WASHINGTON, D.C. : U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday announced the deployment of around 100 U.S. special operations troops to Uganda to fight the rebel group known as the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA).

In a letter to Congress, Obama informed that in the next months further U.S. troops will be shipped out to other African countries as well, including South Sudan, the Central African Republic and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

* Obama Sends 100 Troops to Fight Ugandan Rebels*** :* Information Clearing House

Something to think about..........

War breeds war. That is all it can do. War does nothing but devour valuable resources and destroy precious lives for the sole purpose of perpetuating itself. As Randolph Bourne wrote, "War is the health of the State." War is a mechanism used by the ruling elites of the State to coerce and control the people, so it becomes essential that whenever one war is complete, another is instigated elsewhere so that the mechanism keeps running.
On the other hand, peace breeds prosperity. If War is indeed the “health of the State,” then Peace can be nothing less than the “health of the People.” Being at peace means valuable natural resources can be preserved and used at home where we need them most. Being at peace means young fathers and mothers can live and enjoy free trade, not only among themselves but with the world, instead of dying capriciously and unnecessarily, for political gain or to line the pockets of those who profit from their sacrifice.

***********War Breeds War, Peace Breeds Prosperity by Lee Wrights -- Antiwar.com
 
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