Day Care is for KIDS!!

[Calberty]

Quebec, both the current Liberal governmnet and the PQ hs stated flatly it will not participate in any national daycare program. They will not negotiate. They want one thing and one thing only: the funding. Quebec will not allow further intrusion of the Federal governmnet into their social affairs through the back door of funding. The funding must come in the front door with no strings attached.

As the Quebec press rightly commented on the issue during the French debate: daycare didn't come up because both the Liberals and NDP know it's a dead duck before it eve flies.

 

[Jay]

In the last election Duceppe said it right...."why would we want the feds to take our money and then return it to us for daycare, especially when we already have a day care program?"

If Ontario was interested in this policy, we would have implemented it long ago, instead we subsidies daycare.

"Day Care is for KIDS"? Not in this instance it isn't; it's about votes for corrupt federal liberals.

 

[no1important]

Instead of giving 1200 to every parent for each child under 6, households who make over 70,000 a year and people that do not use daycare should not recieve one cent. People that use daycare who make under 70,000 should get it on a sliding scale.

$0 - $10,000 household yearly income should get $6000

$10001-$ 15,000 household yearly income should get $5,500

$15,001- $20,000 household yearly income should get $5,000

$20,001- $25,000 household yearly income should get $4,500

$25,001- $30,000 household yearly income should get $4,000

$30,001- $35,000 household yearly income should get $3,500

$35,001-$40,000 household yearly income should get $3,000

$40,001- $45,000 household yearly income should get $2,500

$45,001- $50,000 household yearly income should get $2,000

$50,0001 -$55,000 household yearly income should get $1,500

$55,001 - $60,000 household yearly income should get $1,000

$60,001- $70,000 household yearly income shouls get $500

 

[Jay]

And people/families making over 100K a year should pay for their own healthcare too.

 

[no1important]

RE: Day Care is for KIDS!

Well they have the finacial option to travel outside of Canada for that. I prefer Health Care stay Universal myself.

 

[Calberty]

On our local Calgary news it was reported the Conservative plan for $1200/ child so far is quite popular in Calgary among ethnic groups. A lot of the East Indian and oriental families use a family member or friend as their child sitter. Best to keep the money in the family especially when some of them have 2 or 3 children under the age of 5 and their brother or sister have the same. This helps keep young tots within the family unit for their formative years.

 

[Reverend Blair]

But you have not addressed the fact that the Liberal plan would help less than one quarter of parents, and they would overwhelmingly be the ones that least needed it, for all the reasons I listed before.

Why would I? The Liberal plan is marginally better than the Conservative plan, but I don't support it either. I support the NDP plan.

On our local Calgary news

First of all you are quoting a source that's known to be biased. Second of all, Harper already has those seats so it's pretty much immaterial.

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: Day Care is for KIDS!!

And people/families making over 100K a year should pay for their own healthcare too.

8O Jay, have you switched sides?? Why not just run the bastards out of town? These people pay taxes through their noses, and you want to deny them access to all government programs?

 

[Jay]

On our local Calgary news it was reported the Conservative plan for $1200/ child so far is quite popular in Calgary among ethnic groups. A lot of the East Indian and oriental families use a family member or friend as their child sitter. Best to keep the money in the family especially when some of them have 2 or 3 children under the age of 5 and their brother or sister have the same. This helps keep young tots within the family unit for their formative years.

It's good for me too. When my wife stays home with the child, and we are collecting EI, (that pays something like 65% of her wage), we will get 1200 to further help us. After she returns to work, we will get 1200 to help with our non-state run day care.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Day Care is for KIDS!!

And people/families making over 100K a year should pay for their own healthcare too.

8O Jay, have you switched sides?? Why not just run the bastards out of town? These people pay taxes through their noses, and you want to deny them access to all government programs?

On the contrary, I would be lowering their taxes considerably....I might even introduce a flat tax.

 

[MMMike]

Instead of giving 1200 to every parent for each child under 6, households who make over 70,000 a year and people that do not use daycare should not recieve one cent. People that use daycare who make under 70,000 should get it on a sliding scale.

$0 - $10,000 household yearly income should get $6000

$10001-$ 15,000 household yearly income should get $5,500

$15,001- $20,000 household yearly income should get $5,000

$20,001- $25,000 household yearly income should get $4,500

$25,001- $30,000 household yearly income should get $4,000

$30,001- $35,000 household yearly income should get $3,500

$35,001-$40,000 household yearly income should get $3,000

$40,001- $45,000 household yearly income should get $2,500

$45,001- $50,000 household yearly income should get $2,000

$50,0001 -$55,000 household yearly income should get $1,500

$55,001 - $60,000 household yearly income should get $1,000

$60,001- $70,000 household yearly income shouls get $500

$6,000 per child?? That's a lot of beer and popcorn. Might be too much... would lower income people start breeding like mad to make a few extra bucks? I agree with the concept, though. Maybe lower the amounts somewhat and combine it with a much higher personal exemption or guaranteed minimum income and it is a step in the right direction. It would still probably be cheaper than the proposed Liberal bureaucratic black hole.

 

[MMMike]

Why should people who don't use daycare get nothing? The point of this whole exercise is to help families with small children, isn't it? It is not to help them put their kids in state run daycare... at least it shouldn't be.

Families in which one parent stays home to take care of the kids already get unfair tax treatment. They make considerable sacrifices to stay at home. The children benefit. These people deserve assistance as much as anyone.

 

[no1important]

RE: Day Care is for KIDS!

Why should you get money to watch your own kids? The money is supposed to be used for day care, and if parents need a relative of friend to come into house and watch kids, they can use the money for that as well.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Day Care is for KIDS!

If they get money to watch their own kids, then I want money for watching my dogs and cats.

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: Day Care is for KIDS!

Why should you get money to watch your own kids? The money is supposed to be used for day care, and if parents need a relative of friend to come into house and watch kids, they can use the money for that as well.

I don't get it: you agree with using taxpayer money to pay parents to send their kids to daycare, but not with using taxpayer money to help parents stay at home with their own kids. Doesn't make sense.

Why would you get money to pay someone else to watch your own kids???

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Day Care is for KIDS!

Parents who work are contributing to the economy, MMMikey.

 

[TenPenny]

I thought the idea was that you offset the ADDITIONAL cost incurred by people using daycare. The best way to do this is, oddly enough, to make child care costs tax deductable. That way, if you decide to work, and therefore incurr higher child care costs, you can offset those costs from your income tax; on the other hand, if you choose to stay home, you don't pay the child care costs, but don't pay the income tax either.

 

[Colpy]

So, you would rather spend a billion dollars a year helping less than a quarter of the total number of parents.

This doesn't make sense.

Especially as the vast majority of the spaces created (IF any actually are created) will go to people who don't need them for the following reasons:

-Well-paid professionals are IMHO, much more apt to have both parents work. This is because they have invested more in their jobs educationally. They have "careers", and they are much more apt to rate their self-worth on their job, not parenthood.

-Daycare spots are invariably 8 to 5. Low paying jobs are rarely 8 to 5.

-Well-off middle class families know how to work the system, and will get the new spots.

Let's get this straight......the Liberal/NDP plan for daycare is a welfare plan for the well-to-do.

The Conservative plan is not perfect, but at least it helps all of those that actually need it.

 

[bevvyd]

I am a middle class family person and I don't and never have nor have I ever heard of any scams for getting daycare spots among us. Best I can tell you about is the co-op system which uses coupons so no cash is exchanged. And that is open to anyone, not just the educated and better off.

I just hope this daycare system includes for everyone, not just the low incomers. I may make more than most people but I pay a heck of alot more taxes than they do and I should be entitled to something.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Day Care is for KIDS!!

I may make more than most people but I pay a heck of alot more taxes than they do and I should be entitled to something.

Sounds like you should be entitled to a tax cut.