Day Care is for KIDS!!

[bevvyd]

Re: RE: Day Care is for KIDS!!

I may make more than most people but I pay a heck of alot more taxes than they do and I should be entitled to something.

Sounds like you should be entitled to a tax cut.

Lets see what I don't get,
no baby bonus
no GST rebate
no EI
and a host of tax credits which don't apply to me, ever

So I started up a small company to compensate for what I don't get. I'll get my stupid tax credits one way or another. And Durgan, that is one thing that we DO talk about, not cheating people out of daycare spots.

 

[Colpy]

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If they get money to watch their own kids, then I want money for watching my dogs and cats.

If you can't afford your dogs and cats, you can shoot them.

 

[Jay]

Oh no, Colpy....we need a national day care plan for pets too.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Day Care is for KIDS!

If you can't afford your kids you can sell into slavery on the Ivory Coast.

 

[Colpy]

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If you can't afford your kids you can sell into slavery on the Ivory Coast.

Seriously, Rev, your original comment was a misdirect. Let's talk about the subject at hand.

My son and his wife have two kids. He is a bartender, and she works in a women-only gym. She works a split shift, early morning and evening. (she just had a baby so is out now, but we'll just take this as an example)

These two have a very hard time making ends meet. Day care spaces would be a waste of time, and absolutely no help to them.

$200 a month would help. In fact, it would pay most of the $12 per day it would cost her top take the kids to work, and leave them in the on site child care facility that is there for customers.

Or, if she finds more conventional work, say a 9 to 5 job, it would allow her to pay her Mom to watch the kids.......

Why the left has this obsession that everything must be controled by the gov't.......I don't get it.

 

[Colpy]

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If you can't afford your kids you can sell into slavery on the Ivory Coast.

And, I forgot to say, you can't sell your kids into slavery legally.

I tried.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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I have no doubt that you'd try something like that, Colpy. I've always said that Conservatives would sell their own children for a buck.

Let's look at the reality of the situation though. Most Canadian parents work. There are not enough daycare spaces and plans like Harper's failed to create any when Mike Harris tried them in Ontario.

During the Mulroney era we were also told that business would provide daycare facilities in the workplace. It was part of the voodoo "social" programs that went along with the voodoo economics of the Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney triumvirate. If those three morons, who Harper seems to idolize, would have been even close to right, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. It wouldn't be an issue.

Harper's plan is simply to repeat the rhetoric that led to the failed ideas of the past.

Not everybody can leave the kids with a grandparent. They live far from family, their parents have died, their relatives are unreliable. Many grandparents also don't want to have to babysit every day. They are retired and want to enjoy it.

Harper is offering a bribe to people who are well enough off that one of them can afford to stay home. His plan will create no new spaces, offers no regulation to ensure that for-profit daycares are not abusive or neglectful towards children in the name of increased profits, and places the burden of providing childcare on those who can afford it least.

 

[mrmom2]

Thank you TenPenny that exactly what I was thinking 8) Nobodys looking for tax money there just looking to keep a little extra of what they make to help pay for their kids :wink: All these plans do nothing but throw tax money down black holes .Hey if you have a daycare it sure looks good though . :roll: I think the Rev is going to open one and brainwash all the kiddies into becoming future NDP supporters :lol: :lol:

 

[Jay]

we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. It wouldn't be an issue.

Lets face it folks, the only reason we are having this discussion is because the liberals brought it up. They are trying to divert attention away from the corruption issues they are having. If this was a serious concern, something would have happened about it over the million years the liberals have been in power.

offers no regulation to ensure that for-profit daycares are not abusive or neglectful towards children in the name of increased profits....

You’re kidding right? The daycare industry is already regulated, and the remark about abusing kids for profits isn't just plain offensive to daycare providers, but to parents and kids.

You might think that conservative might sell their kids for a buck, but it's a lot better then the left, who would simply send their kids to Siberia or any of the other communist day and night care camps for the politically incorrect.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Lets face it folks, the only reason we are having this discussion is because the liberals brought it up. They are trying to divert attention away from the corruption issues they are having.

Because we all know that the Conservatives don't want a discussion of issues and policies to be a part of elections. Kim Campbell said it, and it still seems to be the prevailing dogma among those who put money before people.

You’re kidding right?

Not at all. There have already been incidents of for-profit daycares of children being left outside in the freezing cold. That's what happens when you cut corners and hire the cheapest staff available and not enough of those.

I think the Rev is going to open one and brainwash all the kiddies into becoming future NDP supporters

Not a chance, Momsie...I give children as wide a berth as possible.

 

[Colpy]

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quote]I think the Rev is going to open one and brainwash all the kiddies into becoming future NDP supporters

Not a chance, Momsie...I give children as wide a berth as possible

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Ah, that explains it!

Seriously, I couldn't understand why you took such a hardcore party line on this..........the answer is you have no personal stake in the matter.

Please don't misunderstand, you have every right to your opinion.

 

[Calberty]

It's obvious from even this thread that everyone's situation is different. Thus the value of letting parent's make their own decision. Unfortunately the NDP,again, is more obsessed with adherence to ideology than listening to the needs of actual parents. 'Big Brother Knows Best' doesn't work in a society as diverse as Canada. Parents know best.

 

[Jay]

"Not at all. There have already been incidents of for-profit daycares of children being left outside in the freezing cold. That's what happens when you cut corners and hire the cheapest staff available and not enough of those. "

From what I understand, daycare is highly regulated in Ontario. If that were to happen it would be against the law, and I wouldn’t want to face those parents….

 

[Colpy]

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It's obvious from even this thread that everyone's situation is different. Thus the value of letting parent's make their own decision. Unfortunately the NDP,again, is more obsessed with adherence to ideology than listening to the needs of actual parents. 'Big Brother Knows Best' doesn't work in a society as diverse as Canada. Parents know best.

Dead on.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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I do have a personal stake though, Colpy. I have nieces and nephews and most of my friends have kids. I've seen what parents go through trying to find childcare, and the negative effect it has on families.

Meanwhile, you are supporting a man who thinks that the Cleaver family represents average Canadians and hasn't got a clue how much milk and eggs cost. That might explain how come he thinks that $4.00 a day will pay for daycare, but it also points to him being completely out of touch with most Canadians and follishly ignorant of the realities of modern life. We don't need a rednecked anachronism for PM.

 

[Jay]

BS...Harper lives the life of most Canadians; married with a few kids.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

Let's look at the reality of the situation though. Most Canadian parents work. There are not enough daycare spaces

Who's fault is that? The Liberals have been bragging about this day care program over four elections and 12 years.

Not everybody can leave the kids with a grandparent. They live far from family,

Not everybody has access to day care centres. Especially in small towns. Not to mention the waiting lists.

Harper is offering a bribe to people who are well enough off that one of them can afford to stay home.

Is that the truth or simply a lie? I was not aware that people had to make a certain amount of money before they receive this benefit. I was under the impression that EVERYONE with kids under six got this benefit. Since 50% of parents with kids look after their own kids, then I guess there must be a lot of wealthy people in Canada.

His plan will create no new spaces

You should read the "whole" press release and not just the headlines. He is also injecting 250 million dollars per year for the distinct purpose of creating more child care spaces.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Who's fault is that? The Liberals have been bragging about this day care program over four elections and 12 years.

So? What have the Liberals got to do with me?

Not everybody has access to day care centres. Especially in small towns. Not to mention the waiting lists.

The waiting lists exist in spite of Mike Harris' plan in Ontario. They exist in spite of the Mulroney theory that the problem would take care of itself.

Is that the truth or simply a lie? I was not aware that people had to make a certain amount of money before they receive this benefit. I was under the impression that EVERYONE with kids under six got this benefit. Since 50% of parents with kids look after their own kids, then I guess there must be a lot of wealthy people in Canada.

It's the truth and if you are going to try to accuse me of lying by trying to twist my words, I suggest that you get help because you aren't smart enough to manage it yourself.

Harper is offering $1200 per year. That's less than $25 per week. It is not enough to help those who need the help most. It is not enough to benefit even the average Canadian worker in any substanstial way. It is simply a small kickback for those who vote for Stephen Harper...a lie in the form of a bribe.

You should read the "whole" press release and not just the headlines. He is also injecting 250 million dollars per year for the distinct purpose of creating more child care spaces.

Harper's "plan" for creating more spaces is the same as the "plan" that Harris foisted on Ontario. Harris' plan created no spaces in Ontario, Harper's will produce exactly that many in all of Canada.

 

[MMMike]

Rev, I'm looking for a babysitter for this Saturday night coming.... you know how hard this can be for parents. Can you talk to your NDP friends and see what you guys can do for me?? Maybe some type of government run babysitting program? Never know what these 'for profit' teenagers will do to the kids.

 

[Jay]

I'll do it for ya Mike....but I do it on the cheap and will probably leave your kids outside in the snow.