Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
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Unfair, Finder. I was going to PM you, but decided to post here for all to see my response to that.Finder said:
First of all, the administration of this site goes to every possible length to provide a safe, well run, technically secure, interesting forum for the members. Just because we take one small stand against one your beliefs is no reason to tar and feather us. To say that we don't care is utterly unfair. To say we disagree with you, that your objection is noted, and to move on is more like it. I take offence to your statement.
On a personal note, not as an admin ... The fringe of what? Freedom of speech in the world? I don't mind being on that fringe. Guilty as charged. I will stand up for the right to speak my mind, even if my sentiments are not popular.
The PC police have gone too far, imho, and somebody has got to say stop. Now it's been taken to a level of violence, all in the name of what they are labelling fairness. It's bullshit. And it's time people put their foot down on this. I don't hate Muslims ... I hate anyone who chooses to state their point by killing and hurting people. And I don't give a fig what colour their skin is, what building they worship at or what language they speak. But if a certain group is causing grief, I will single them out.
If a few people from CC started behaving badly around the net, giving our community a bad name, you can bet your patootie that the rest of us would jump on them quickly enough. It wouldn't be an admin issue, it would be a community issue. And this is just in the little microcosm of our world. I suggest the Muslim people do the same thing to avoid being categorized with their own bad element.
It's rubbish ... a few people are using that old knee-jerk PC reaction to manipulate others. This isn't about being a Muslim, it's about being a bad human.
<rant mode off>
#juan said:
And I, FiveParadox.
Let me remind you, my comments were prefaced by thanking you for speaking your mind. I love how how you are. You always have an elegant way of expressing yourself that makes me stop and reconsider any points we disagree on. Your approach to the world does more to change peoples' minds than any other. I admire you. This time, I disagree with you, but not after giving your words due consideration.
You are a sweetie. I have seen the amount of time and effort you put into this forum and, as an admin, I value you highly as a member of CC. We don't always have to agree on issues for that esteem to remain firmly intact. I did not intend for any of my comments to be taken personally by you, nor to insult or hurt your feelings in any way. I admire the fact that you speak up no matter what and I hope that never changes.
All this fuss over a small little flag on the top right corner of this message board. I think that's pretty sad.
And to the person who feels this board is on the frindge....in a sense I say good. None of us here agree on everything, but NO ONE is afraid to speak their minds for fear of anything. And that is one of the reasons why I post here.
And to the person who feels this board is on the frindge....in a sense I say good. None of us here agree on everything, but NO ONE is afraid to speak their minds for fear of anything. And that is one of the reasons why I post here.
Finder
Hello - thing about leaving is you will never know if you could have changed some opinions by hanging in there and getting down to some rational debate.
I think most of the people here are willing to see a broader spectrum of their own beliefs - unless they are so limited in their abilities to think outside the box, nothing will help.
Would it not be more satisfactory to you - to argue and debate with those opinions with which you disagree? What if some of the free floaters don't have any opinion and are sorting themselves out through forums of this kind.
If you feel this forum is taking a decidedly one-note approach, then there is trouble afoot and we need oppositional and diverse opinions to keep our minds open to other ideas and yes - change.
Unless you don't care.
Give it up and you will never know what could have been....
Hello - thing about leaving is you will never know if you could have changed some opinions by hanging in there and getting down to some rational debate.
I think most of the people here are willing to see a broader spectrum of their own beliefs - unless they are so limited in their abilities to think outside the box, nothing will help.
Would it not be more satisfactory to you - to argue and debate with those opinions with which you disagree? What if some of the free floaters don't have any opinion and are sorting themselves out through forums of this kind.
If you feel this forum is taking a decidedly one-note approach, then there is trouble afoot and we need oppositional and diverse opinions to keep our minds open to other ideas and yes - change.
Unless you don't care.
Give it up and you will never know what could have been....
Re: RE: Danish Flag added to Canadian Content
I would respectfully disagree. Freedom to offend is the very cornerstone of freedom of speach. Freedom of speach is not very free if anyone can claim to be offended by what you say, and consequently, stifle your right to say it.
That's why the cartoons are being republished. It's not that the publishers have anything against Muslims, it's that they have something against being told what they can and cannot print.
That is the crux of the support for Denmark. The Danish government expressed regret that Muslims were offended, but stood by the principle that the government has no business interfering in the press. That is what we support. To say that the Danish flag somehow symbolizes an anti-Muslim sentiment demonstrates a woefull lack of understanding of what the issue is all about.
FiveParadox said:
I would respectfully disagree. Freedom to offend is the very cornerstone of freedom of speach. Freedom of speach is not very free if anyone can claim to be offended by what you say, and consequently, stifle your right to say it.
That's why the cartoons are being republished. It's not that the publishers have anything against Muslims, it's that they have something against being told what they can and cannot print.
That is the crux of the support for Denmark. The Danish government expressed regret that Muslims were offended, but stood by the principle that the government has no business interfering in the press. That is what we support. To say that the Danish flag somehow symbolizes an anti-Muslim sentiment demonstrates a woefull lack of understanding of what the issue is all about.
I totally agree with Cosmo - about being anti-violent. With the events of the past few months, occurring in different parts of the world, so many tied to Muslim terrorism - it's becoming apparent that this business of reconciling the differences between East and West if far more difficult than anticipated.
We don't even see eye to foot. Christians and Jews do not actually put someone to death for disobeying their holy book. Not in my country. We advocate doing better. It's that simple. We don't stone people for anything nowadays. WE GREW PAST THAT. And that is our problem with Islam - they haven't. At least some haven't. (not making a blanket statement) I cannot muster one iota of respect for a so-called religion which values human life so little. Especially women.
I see no problem putting the Danish flag on the site, if that is what Andem wishes. Maybe he could put the Canadian flag on the
left - and then have a "guest" flag in the Danish spot which will change from time to time. Come on, Andem, let the US have a turn once in a while - we are right here! Next month, Germany. And so on.
Uncle
We don't even see eye to foot. Christians and Jews do not actually put someone to death for disobeying their holy book. Not in my country. We advocate doing better. It's that simple. We don't stone people for anything nowadays. WE GREW PAST THAT. And that is our problem with Islam - they haven't. At least some haven't. (not making a blanket statement) I cannot muster one iota of respect for a so-called religion which values human life so little. Especially women.
I see no problem putting the Danish flag on the site, if that is what Andem wishes. Maybe he could put the Canadian flag on the
left - and then have a "guest" flag in the Danish spot which will change from time to time. Come on, Andem, let the US have a turn once in a while - we are right here! Next month, Germany. And so on.
Uncle
If somebody comes upon this site by design or by happenstance, espies a tiny Danish flag in the mast-header, goes berserk and throws a hissy fit before promptly leaving, he/she has done humanity a service.
Those types are natural born Nutters who would not bother to read my educational illuminating pastes. :roll:
Those types are natural born Nutters who would not bother to read my educational illuminating pastes. :roll:
Finder said:
If you mean this board has finally permitted right wing idealogies to be heard without the threat of being banned (this was all going on prior to your arrival), posters believing in free speech without allowing the government to get involved by invoking responsible free speech, posters believing that what goes on in Denmarks country and extremists shouldn't have a say half way around the world, if by all this you consider it to be ultra right wing, then I suppose you're correct and you can count me in on that also.
I think not said:
nope thats not what I mean. You also should fight extremism with extremism either. There's no reason why the admin could have made a statment of freedom of speech and made a link to it on the banner in support of the danish and make it out to be only that rather then using a symbole which a lot of racists and anti-islam people have.
Finder; if a Muslim comes to this forum and sees the Danish flag they will be offended, How? Just because segments of the Muslim world are upset with the Danes doesn't mean we have to be. It's called independant thinking. We are being accused of being Racists because we are discussing the World Issues-regarding Muslim violence. A discussion makes us racists. I applaud this forum for allowing those of us who will not be silenced by Polical Correctness-Take a bow- if you don't like Free Speech type in China and internet service.
The Muslims are welcomed here.
All the grown-ups know this.
Sporting a Danish flag does not prohibit any Muslim
from joining this conversation.
All the grown-ups know this.
Sporting a Danish flag does not prohibit any Muslim
from joining this conversation.