Dagger Ban unconstitutional Supreme Court says

[Colpy]

So you're saying the existence of electricity is not thoroughly documented from dam to lamp/computer screen?

To a man who believes in God, His presence has been thoroughly documented every time one looks about at the miracle that is our universe.....I find it astonishing that any serious person could consider it an accident....

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

As I pointed out before..... BALONEY!

The scientific Revolution proved no such thing............

Really, only a thoroughly uneducated person could such a thing. The SR, and the discovery of America, changed the world, the age of magic ended. Some seem to regret it. Welcome to the modernity.

 

[Colpy]

Really, only a thoroughly uneducated person could such a thing. The SR, and the discovery of America, changed the world, the age of magic ended. Some seem to regret it. Welcome to the modernity.

The very idea that you would claim only the uneducated believe in God is mind-boggling!!!!

Explain please, how the discovery of America disproved the existence of God....this I've got to hear!

And, BTW, the greatest mind of the Scientific Revolution was Sir Isaac Newton....(I am in the middle of a biography...Never at Rest)who advanced mathematics by a huge leap, invented calculus, coined the laws of force, defined gravity, solved many of the problems of optics,,,,including the nature of light.......studied astronomy........and spent a vast amount of his time studying Theology,,,,,and never for a moment doubted the existence of God.

The arrogance of anyone that would claim that great mind disproved the existence of God....just ludicrous. Newton would be rolling in his grave.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Going away from electricity, and back to the Kirpan (The Thread Topic)
and the Courts decision regarding it:

To satisfy the requirements of the Sikh religion, the Kirpan must be
carried, but it can be epoxied into the sheath so that is can not be
drawn if the concern is in place regarding safety in schools or such...
It's a solution. Satisfies both sides of the issue. Done deal.

Yes, a sheathed Kirpan can kill someone, but very few things on the Planet
can't be used to kill someone. Scissors can be used as a weapon, and I can
think of one recent instance where someone was put to death for having a
stapler in their hand at the wrong time, in the wrong place, and in the wrong
company.

A Kirpan isn't designed to be office equipment like a stapler or scissors, but as
a weapon (though carried ceremonially, it's still a weapon). Do I have a problem
with a Sikh carting around one of these things? Nope.

I'm probably better armed than most of the Sikh's at any given time anyway, & I
call the things I carry "tools." Anyone that doesn't carry an edged tool at all times
except when bathing or swimming is negligent in their own safety, as well as the
safety of others around them. You never know when it'll save someone's life, even
your own....and not as a weapon.

 

[Colpy]

Going away from electricity, and back to the Kirpan (The Thread Topic)
and the Courts decision regarding it:

To satisfy the requirements of the Sikh religion, the Kirpan must be
carried, but it can be epoxied into the sheath so that is can not be
drawn if the concern is in place regarding safety in schools or such...
It's a solution. Satisfies both sides of the issue. Done deal.

Yes, a sheathed Kirpan can kill someone, but very few things on the Planet
can't be used to kill someone. Scissors can be used as a weapon, and I can
think of one recent instance where someone was put to death for having a
stapler in their hand at the wrong time, in the wrong place, and in the wrong
company.

A Kirpan isn't designed to be office equipment like a stapler or scissors, but as
a weapon (though carried ceremonially, it's still a weapon). Do I have a problem
with a Sikh carting around one of these things? Nope.

I'm probably better armed than most of the Sikh's at any given time anyway, & I
call the things I carry "tools." Anyone that doesn't carry an edged tool at all times
except when bathing or swimming is negligent in their own safety, as well as the
safety of others around them. You never know when it'll save someone's life, even
your own....and not as a weapon.

My problem is not that Sikhs are allowed to carry arms......it is that I am not.

And yes, the Kirpan is a weapon, carried because each Sikh swears never to be unarmed.

I am disgusted that the Supreme Court of Canada would uphold the right of an extremely young religious cult to carry arms,,,,,and would fall over collectively foaming at the mouth if one suggested there is an ancient and honourable right of all people to bear arms.

As there is.

 

[Machjo]

A Montreal school board went too far in imposing a blanket ban on the wearing of Sikh ceremonial daggers by students, says the Supreme Court of Canada.

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In an 8-0 judgment, the court overturned a decision that barred teenager Gurbaj Singh Multani from wearing the dagger, known as a kirpan, to class.

The court said a total ban can't pass muster under the Charter of Rights, because the policy infringes on guarantees of religious freedom.

But the court left room for some restrictions to be imposed on the carrying of kirpans in the name of public safety.

A number of schools in British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario have long permitted the wearing of kirpans subject to certain conditions.

The rules often include a size limit on the dagger, or a requirement to keep it sheathed and to wear it under clothing and out of sight.

Orthodox Sikhs, who make up about 10 per cent of the estimated 250,000 Sikhs in Canada, are required by their religion to wear the kirpan at all times.

The Montreal dispute arose in 2001 when Gurbaj Singh, the aged 12, first wore his kirpan to school.

Officials tried at first to work out a compromise that would allow him to continue wearing the religious emblem, but with some conditions for the sake of safety.

The governing council of the Margueriite-Bourgeoys school board overruled that approach and imposed a total ban.

During a Supreme Court hearing last April, Julius Grey, the lawyer for the Multani family, noted there has never been a school assault committed with a kirpan anywhere in Canada.

That amounts to "overwhelming empirical evidence that the kirpan is not a dangerous weapon," said Grey.

Francois Aquin, the lawyer for the Montreal board, retorted that there have never been any school assaults with kitchen knives either.

"That doesn't mean we will allow students to carry kitchen knives in school."

The case made its way to the high court after conflicting decisions at the provincial level.

A Quebec Superior Court judge ruled in Gurbaj Singh's favour in 2002, saying he could carry the kirpan under certain conditions - for example, if he kept it sewn into a cloth envelope to be worn beneath his clothing.

Quebec Court of Appeal reversed that decision in 2004, ruling that the school board had the power to impose a total ban.

Other precedents in other provinces have produced a patchwork of policies - not only in schools but in other public institutions.

For example, Sikh MPs can wear kirpans in the House of Commons and visitors can wear them in the public galleries.

It's all right to wear kirpans in the Supreme Court of Canada, but trial judges in some provinces have banned them from their courtrooms.

Most airlines once allowed passengers to wear kirpans with blades no longer than 10 centimetres. In the security crackdown that followed the 9-11 terrorist attacks, however, Transport Canada decreed a country-wide ban.

The judgment of the high court is confined to school situations and does not apply to other areas.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/2006...FlvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

No problem. Have some lawyers skim through the Guru Grant Sahib (the sacred texts of the Sikh) with a comb, and find a loophole. We all know lawyers are experts on that front. Who knows, maybe there is no requirement on the kirpan being made of metal. Maybe it could be made of the same material as a Nerf ball.

 

[AnnaG]

Not that I was saying anything against you Anna, or trying to deviate from the topic, I was just trying to point something out...

I know. I was elbowing you in the ribs. What you see in lightning is the effect of electricity heating up the air, not the electricity itself. Anyway, DTM wasn't accurate.

 

[Ron in Regina]

My problem is not that Sikhs are allowed to carry arms......it is that I am not.

And yes, the Kirpan is a weapon, carried because each Sikh swears never to be unarmed.

I am disgusted that the Supreme Court of Canada would uphold the right of an extremely young religious cult to carry arms,,,,,and would fall over collectively foaming at the mouth if one suggested there is an ancient and honourable right of all people to bear arms.

As there is.

Ah....(whoops)...I got lost in the Electrical sidetrack...try'n walk and chew gum and
rub my belly and pat my head and....well, my bad.

I carry 2-3 knives at any given time, & none are carried as weapons...but I suppose
they could be used as such. A tiny pocket knife (that I use the most), & a larger one
for larger jobs, and a lock-blade utility knife in a belt sheath.

 

[AnnaG]

Perhaps you could point to the computer screen and tell me what shining stuff coming out of the monitor is.

That's not electricity. That is the effect of electricity on LEDs.

g/God did not make it.

Prove gods didn't make electricity.

Hit a switch and it disappears, then it reapppears. Like a scieintific test, you make its existence, over and over again. Build a battery and you get power.

Can you see the electricity in the battery? No. Can you bare a wire in your wall socket and see the electricity? No. Only when you cause the electricity to do something can you see its effects.

"Pray" and you get aching knees.

Some people would say their prayers are answered. Personally I think it is self-empowerment that answers people's prayers, but that's just my opinion.

If I was a mean guy, I would point a live electrical wire at you and you could tell me whether those sparks are able to inflict pain on you are real or not.

It wouldn't spark unless the electrons found someplace to flow to and encounter resistance. Didn't you take any physics in high school?

Fossils are real things. Some have DNA in them, more real stuff.[/quote] Is sound real? We can't see it or point to it either. Is potential or kinetic energy real? Again, we can't see it or point to it. The only energy we can see is light energy and only a part of the light spectrum.

 

[wulfie68]

No problem. Have some lawyers skim through the Guru Grant Sahib (the sacred texts of the Sikh) with a comb, and find a loophole. We all know lawyers are experts on that front. Who knows, maybe there is no requirement on the kirpan being made of metal. Maybe it could be made of the same material as a Nerf ball.

I would love to see Nerf kirpans... hell, I'd buy one for my kid in case he ever wanted to convert

 

[AnnaG]

So you're saying the existence of electricity is not thoroughly documented from dam to lamp/computer screen?

Nope. That's not what I am saying at all.

 

[AnnaG]

Ah....(whoops)...I got lost in the Electrical sidetrack...try'n walk and chew gum and
rub my belly and pat my head and....well, my bad.

I carry 2-3 knives at any given time, & none are carried as weapons...but I suppose
they could be used as such. A tiny pocket knife (that I use the most), & a larger one
for larger jobs, and a lock-blade utility knife in a belt sheath.

lol I carry a little Buck with a blade about 1.5" long and a Swiss Army knife when I think I might need it during the day. It has a 3 or 4" blade. I also have a bushknife with about 2.5' of blade but I don't carry it unless we're out camping. I've worn it on my belt downtown, though. I'm not about to go on a dismemberment spree.

 

[Ron in Regina]

lol I carry a little Buck with a blade about 1.5" long and a Swiss Army knife when I think I might need it during the day. It has a 3 or 4" blade. I also have a bushknife with about 2.5' of blade but I don't carry it unless we're out camping. I've worn it on my belt downtown, though. I'm not about to go on a dismemberment spree.

Here's two of the Three I normally carry, & the third fits in (size wise) between the two,
but with only about a 1" blade.

and

YouTube - Turboknife X

 

[Risus]

There was actually a stabbing today in Brampton where a kirpan was used. The victim, also a Sikh, was pretty upset that a religious symbol was used for violence.


EDIT TO ADD: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/04/07/toronto-kirpan-debate-brampton.html

 

[Machjo]

There was actually a stabbing today in Brampton where a kirpan was used. The victim, also a Sikh, was pretty upset that a religious symbol was used for violence.

Well, when is Nerf coming out with its own kirpan?