Cutting The Enemys Lines of Communication

CDNBear

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I just repeated what they said, only in different words. I can't help it you got that idea from what I said.
Ummm, ya, that measured with your usual diatribe, I think I hit the nail on the head.

It means just this:

Their words, not mine... I just decided to use my own words to bring another perspective to what they said.
A fine example of parroting compounded by the goldfish sydrom.


No, Zan didn't.... Check the original post by D.Beaver. Please keep up.
Ya I know, that's why I said it to you as you tried to hide under her skirt, there isn't enough room under here for you and I. So you'll have to find a rock.

Not as big of a concern as the other two, all things considdered.
Um, I guess you missd the point and the fact that the Gulf of Dubia is pretty much the second home to the bulk of fleet and Dubia is also a major staging and resuplly depot?

All things considered, Iraq is consuming, not resupplying, Israel is not supporting nor are the participating.

I think if I was going to be a dick and go messing with some the cables, I would pick countries that were not crucial points of interest.
 

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I already told you before, time and time again, I only put blame where there is evidence provided. If the US didn't do it, then they don't get the blame.... pretty simple to understand if you ask me.

I point out questions and things that have holes in explination. They claimed it was ships dragging anchors, but how did they come to this conclusion?

Did they head down there and take a look at the cables to see how they were cut? Were they clean cuts comparable to a tool being used or are they rough cuts which appear as being ripped forcefully due to the force from a ship and anchor?

I see nothing either way.

Until evidence is provided, you then resort to motive. I never said anything was for certain here at all. But it is suspicious none the less.



Could have been.... with all those satellites up there, who knows?



Nah, I don't get Tornadoes where I live, I couldn't care less.



Yeah.... The Backstreet Boys.

Im with you there with the backstreet boys.

But come on, blaming the u.s. for half the middle east's internet connections problems, thats pretty far fetched. But it doesnt surprise me there, we are getting blamed for everything else. But there is not one slice of evidence proving that we had anything to do with that.
 

CDNBear

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Im with you there with the backstreet boys.

But come on, blaming the u.s. for half the middle east's internet connections, thats pretty far fetched. But it doesnt surprise me there, we are getting blamed for everything else. But there is not one slice of evidence proving that we had anything to do with that.
That's not likely to stop the bleating of the self proclaimed enlightend.
 

CDNBear

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I actually just had another alternative pop into my head...

What if by 100 degrees of seperation, one of the Imperialist Oil Barons has just purchased a Transcontinental fiberoptic cable laying firm.

Huh? Huh? Whuduya think?
 

DurkaDurka

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Here is a pretty insightful post from someone at slashdot.org. Before you start blabbering about him being a right wing whatever, remember this is from a reputable tech site.

Iran has NOT "offline" (Score:5, Insightful)


by daveschroeder (516195) * <[ude.csiw.tiod] [ta] [sad]> on Wednesday February 06, @10:18AM (#22321066) Homepage

...and has NOT lost net connectivity.

One router in Iran -- the one that happens to be used by Internet Traffic Report [internettr...report.com] -- is unreachable. As are dozens of single points on the internet in many states in the region.

A quick perusal of, e.g., newspaper web sites in Iran [onlinenewspapers.com] finds every one I have tried working fine, including all state-run media. As is the web site of the Government of Iran [www.iran.ir] and numerous other government and press web sites physically located in Iran. See for yourself. [google.com] (And yes, I am aware that simply ending in .ir does not mean the site is necessarily physically in Iran, but you can easily verify [arin.net] that nearly all of them are.)

I know all of you are just itching to believe it's a US information operation (I love some of the articles..."a secret Pentagon strategy called 'information warfare'" -- uh, guys, I hate to break this to you, but it's not a secret) to cut Iran off from the internet in advance of the secret Iran invasion that Bush -- er, Cheney -- is oh-so-obviously planning.

No one ever said that one ship damaged all the cables. What was said was that a single ship probably cut two cables in a particular area off Egypt. But that has been called into doubt in that location. Unfortunately, it isn't clear exactly where some of the cables have been damaged, so simply because one area didn't have a ship doesn't mean it wasn't possible for it to be damaged elsewhere.

Even if someone is cutting the cables, as telecom and undersea cable experts believe is unlikely, it would be better to actually consider the facts of the situation, instead of feeing the conspiracy mill with garbage like "Iran is offline" when it clearly isn't? How about waiting until the cables are raised to see what kind of damage has been caused?

But if you want to believe one guy's blog post that "Iran is offline", which ends with:
this author actually dug a bit deeper and found a trail that leads from the owners of most of these internet cables all the way back to some very, very large companies in the U.S. and in the U.K. Which companies you ask? Who is behind this?

Well, that's the topic for my next post. You'll have to subscribe to my RSS feed and stay tuned for my findings. Don't worry, the wait will be short.
...then be my guest. How convenient! If we want to learn "which" big evil companies are behind what is obviously a US operation to cut Iran off from the internet, all we have to do is subscribe to his ad-laden blog!

Or, we could perhaps consider that "[m]ost telecommunications experts and cable operators say that sabotage seems unlikely." [iht.com]

Or, we could perhaps believe the facts, which is that Iran is not "offline", as I have illustrated above.

It seems that the premise to this story -- namely, that Iran is "offline" -- is patently incorrect. So, since that is untrue, what are the motivations of people who want to believe this is a prelude to war?

That lying about it somehow serves a greater purpose?

Oh, and by the way, for all you pushers of the Information Warfare theory, keep in mind that it runs both ways. I wouldn't be surprised before Iran picks up on the conspiracy stories and starts promoting that itself. What a great way to detract attention from its continuing defiance of the world community -- no, not just the US -- on its nuclear processing.
 

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The one great American sin that makes it unlikely US has anything to do with cable cutting is its own introspective view. Hell, if the US is wireless - everyone is.

Woof!
 

CDNBear

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Stop confusing the anti American hate on crowd with facts Durka...you'll be called a troll next.
 

DurkaDurka

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I like this part of the post
"this author actually dug a bit deeper and found a trail that leads from the owners of most of these internet cables all the way back to some very, very large companies in the U.S. and in the U.K. Which companies you ask? Who is behind this?"

The US taking out fibre connections owned by US companies all so they can block Iran from watching YouTube... priceless.
 

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Ummm, ya, that measured with your usual diatribe, I think I hit the nail on the head.

Well you didn't, sorry to say. Sorry you think my comments are an attack, when I just say what's on my mind as straight forward as I can.

A fine example of parroting compounded by the goldfish sydrom.

A fine example of ignoring what was originally mentioned in the article supplied, yet jumping all over the exact same thing when I re-word it to some how act cool by pointing out something I didn't originally say and then trying to claim I have a position on something which doesn't exist.

Ya I know, that's why I said it to you as you tried to hide under her skirt, there isn't enough room under here for you and I. So you'll have to find a rock.

Right.... moving on....

Um, I guess you missd the point and the fact that the Gulf of Dubia is pretty much the second home to the bulk of fleet and Dubia is also a major staging and resuplly depot?

All things considered, Iraq is consuming, not resupplying, Israel is not supporting nor are the participating.

I think if I was going to be a dick and go messing with some the cables, I would pick countries that were not crucial points of interest.

Perhaps.... regardless, I am sure more information will come in time. Perhaps then I may actually lean towards a paticular position.

All I did was take a stab at what was mentioned in the article and you seem to have thought I brought something out of it which did not exist.

And now we made almost an entire page in the thread about trying to explain something which should have been explained in the first place by the first post. I commented on the quote and I commented on the slack explination of anchors.

I didn't even mention the US as being responsible, I said the explination currently is about as reasonable as WOMD and Weather Balloons, which were two common explinations for very questionable situations. Nothing more, nothing less.

You seemed to have taken my post out of context and just figured I was recycling my bitch-fest I normally have against the US, which I have yet to actually do.

Give me time.
 

Praxius

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Im with you there with the backstreet boys.

But come on, blaming the u.s. for half the middle east's internet connections problems, thats pretty far fetched. But it doesnt surprise me there, we are getting blamed for everything else. But there is not one slice of evidence proving that we had anything to do with that.

Once again, I didn't say the US was behind it. I found the explination stupid.... AKA: Smack Head.

People, please try and keep what was mentioned in one thread out of others unless it actually relates. It clouds the topic into this kinda of confusion.
 

CDNBear

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A fine example of ignoring what was originally mentioned in the article supplied, yet jumping all over the exact same thing when I re-word it to some how act cool by pointing out something I didn't originally say and then trying to claim I have a position on something which doesn't exist.
Neither of them is an article, they're thinly vailed to appear as such, but they are no morethen Op/Ed peices.

Perhaps.... regardless, I am sure more information will come in time. Perhaps then I may actually lean towards a paticular position.

All I did was take a stab at what was mentioned in the article and you seem to have thought I brought something out of it which did not exist.

And now we made almost an entire page in the thread about trying to explain something which should have been explained in the first place by the first post. I commented on the quote and I commented on the slack explination of anchors.

I didn't even mention the US as being responsible, I said the explination currently is about as reasonable as WOMD and Weather Balloons, which were two common explinations for very questionable situations. Nothing more, nothing less.

You seemed to have taken my post out of context and just figured I was recycling my bitch-fest I normally have against the US, which I have yet to actually do.

Give me time.
BS...this is your first post. Like the 'articles', thinly vailed anti American tripe.
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Yes, of course, that must be it.... ships dragging their anchors across the cables....

.... in a manner which dissabled all internet communications for all middle eastern nations except two nations which have personal interest for the US.

Wow.... now there's a remarkable Coincidence.

That's about as much of a great explination as weather balloons or WOMD.

*smacks head*

Can I get an icon of someone smacking their head?
 

Praxius

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Neither of them is an article, they're thinly vailed to appear as such, but they are no morethen Op/Ed peices.

*sigh*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7222536.stm

But Egypt's communications ministry said damage to the cables in the Mediterranean was not caused by ships.


The transport ministry said that footage recorded by onshore video cameras of the location of the cables showed no maritime traffic in the area when the cables were damaged.
"The ministry's maritime transport committee reviewed footage covering the period of 12 hours before and 12 hours after the cables were cut and no ships sailed the area," a statement said.

Regardless who was or wasn't affected, there is still no evidence provided to give the anchor explination any foundation..... which was my point to begin with.

BS...this is your first post. Like the 'articles', thinly vailed anti American tripe.

If you want to take anti-american tripe out of it, that's your mistake, not mine. Learn to read what is provided next time..... like I did. If the original post produced inaccurate information on which countries were affected or not, then perhaps your flack should goto them not I.

But you know something, you're quite the hypocrite I must say:

Sounds like the Muslim extremists seeking to isolate the Muslim masses from western media and infidel corruption, bought a sub eh?

Speaking of jumping to conclusions.... regardless if you ment it as a joke, I find it a tad comical you'd attempt to bitch me out for what I posted, when you think you're all king crab for posting the above.
 

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I'm half serious though. If Iran starts coming under constant attack from unknown sources, will the majority of the world stage ever believe it's not the US behind it? It would be brilliant of them to start sabotage operations on themselves and their neighbors, turning world opinion quickly in favor of the set upon ME nations.