CSIS highlights white supremacist threat ahead of radical Islam

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If you liked human rights and good government you would vote for Harper. All the rest want to squander our money and take away basic rights for our own good.

Hehehe...I said cost effective government. How many balanced budgets has your "good government" Conservatives produced since they came to power? Let's not even get into what the social conservatives think of the charter.

Those women all live in the West. If they lived in the countries of cultural/religious origin their faces would bear acid scars.

Yes, I agree. Since the Muslims in the west allow this, obviously it's a cultural issue and not a religious issue. That's what the haters can't seem to wrap their heads around.
 

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Yes, I agree. Since the Muslims in the west allow this, obviously it's a cultural issue and not a religious issue. That's what the haters can't seem to wrap their heads around.
no I disagree, it's an issue of extremism always, both within Islam and Christianity and it stems from religious belief in many many cases but not always
 

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www.pinterest.com/carriann58/head-coverings-for-todays-christian-woman/

Christian female head scarves. Some people just can't get past their prejudices to see what is in front of them.
 

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it's not a burqa Cliffy, the hijab is not an issue...the burka IS an issue and prejudice is not always the issue at least not for me, but I would ban and burn all burqas
So would I. Such a shame to hide females. It would be like draping sheets over all the flowers in a botanical garden.

None the less, back to the OP, White supremacists are a much bigger threat of terrorist acts than Muslims. And hatred and fear are our biggest enemies. Those that perpetrate such acts of hatred are the terrorists.
 

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So would I. Such a shame to hide females. It would be like draping sheets over all the flowers in a botanical garden.

None the less, back to the OP, White supremacists are a much bigger threat of terrorist acts than Muslims. And hatred and fear are our biggest enemies. Those that perpetrate such acts of hatred are the terrorists.
agreed, Muslims are no threat at all, it's all about extremists of any kind and fear is certainly our biggest enemy followed by complacency...I think any group with ideals which go against the good should be carefully monitored.
 

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agreed, Muslims are no threat at all, it's all about extremists of any kind and fear is certainly our biggest enemy followed by complacency...I think any group with ideals which go against the good should be carefully monitored.
Isn't that why we have cameras in parliament, to monitor our politicians?
 

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okay, time for me to head for the treadmill...just in time...

behave...or you guys are gonna be in big trouble Lucy...lol

tata fer now eh?

that's high British and high Canadian fer ya'll with a touch of the south

best of all worlds right here in my comment
 

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Are you going to give me bullsh-t lessons? You are the master.

One would think that you should be getting happier now. Your farm labourer job should be starting up again soon. Why all the saltiness today?
Hey moderators can you please ban these two they are crossing all lines of decency and it is no longer amusing .
 

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How in hell would you know anything about human rights and good government, you voted for a facist dispensationalist godwhack bent on cementing Israeli rule of the planet. You should have your drivers license revoked if its not already been done. And shock therapy.

I did not vote for the liberals. Didn't vote for Harper last time either. Mostly because he decided to run in a different riding.
Are you still collecting money for ISIS?

agreed, Muslims are no threat at all, it's all about extremists of any kind and fear is certainly our biggest enemy followed by complacency...I think any group with ideals which go against the good should be carefully monitored.

That is why so many on the extreme left are opposed.
 

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With little fanfare, infamous right-wing anti-Islam group makes its way into Quebec

With little fanfare, infamous right-wing anti-Islam group makes its way into Quebec
An ugly confrontation unfolded on the streets of Newcastle, England, last weekend.

On one side were approximately 2,000 people of all colours and creeds who had assembled under the banner of Newcastle Unites. On the other, a group of just under 400 people who came together to protest what they perceive as the Islamization of the western world; a “Muslim tide” they claim threatens the fabric of British society and its traditional values. The latter group was an apparent offshoot of the far-right organization PEGIDA — or Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West. Since its formation in Germany last year, the group has managed to draw thousands into the streets in various European cities with what many perceive as a divisive and racist message.

In January, with little fanfare and even less media coverage, PEGIDA landed in Quebec.

A Facebook page set up by the group, featuring photos from PEGIDA demonstrations around the world, had attracted just under 600 “likes” as of Wednesday, and their first official rally is set to take place on March 28 in St-Léonard. The Montreal Gazette reached out to the organizers behind the page on Wednesday, but they did not respond to a request for comment.

While small, the group is not alone. PEGIDA Quebec’s appearance came only two months after members of another group, dubbed Québec Identitaire, appeared to take credit for vandalizing four mosques in the Quebec City region. A Facebook group bearing the Québec Identitaire name had 502 members as of Wednesday, with the group’s description making it clear “we are not a radical extremist group,” but that “we firmly believe a native Quebecer has the right to refuse to have cultures and religious rituals imposed by ‘adopted Quebecers’ without being demonized.”

In February, the Jewish Defence League — a group that the FBI has branded “a violent extremist organization” — resurfaced in Montreal and attempted to form an organized chapter, claiming that someone needed to properly monitor the city’s Muslim extremism “problem.” They were quickly rebuffed by Jewish community leaders and Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre, who tweeted that the JDL was “not welcome” in his city.

That frosty reception did not surprise Frank Chalk, director of Concordia University’s Montreal Institute for Genocide and Human Rights. While right-wing, anti-Islamic groups have recently found a strong foothold in countries where multiculturalism is not the norm, he said, they are unlikely to gain widespread support in Quebec.

“They’ll do poorly here, I think,” Chalk said. “There’s hardly anything (on the PEGIDA Quebec Facebook page) to appeal to people here in Montreal or in other communities in Quebec … I think Quebec and the rest of Canada do a very good job of trying to be open to groups that have different religions and cultures. We have found that the key is mutual respect. With respect comes the opportunity for dialogue, for social interaction, for sharing with each other our music, our poetry, our literature and many of our values.”

In Germany, where PEGIDA has garnered the most support, people are not accustomed to anything like the multicultural realities that many Canadians have learned to embrace, Chalk noted.

“So it’s quite a shock for the Germans to have 120,000 refugees pouring in from Syria and other sites of atrocity in the Middle East and North Africa.”

The Jewish Defence League, for its part, has been present in waves in Montreal over the years, said Chalk, but there has been little demand for an “extra-legal militia” to protect Montreal’s Jewish population.

“Some of the most respected rabbis and community leaders have said ‘We don’t need you guys.’ Yes, there are anti-Semitic incidents … but we are living in a community of law and the normal security agents offer whatever protection is needed.”

Even if they are not drawing thousands into the streets, the Canadian government is apparently watching right-wing groups like PEGIDA, Québec Identitaire and the JDL closely. The Canadian Press reported on Tuesday that Canada’s spy agency (CSIS) recently advised the office of Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney of its concerns during a secret September briefing, noting that Canada’s burgeoning anti-Islam movement poses an “ongoing risk, particularly as its proponents advocate violence.”

CSIS did not respond to a request for additional comment about the briefing.

With little fanfare, infamous right-wing anti-Islam group makes its way into Quebec
 

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agreed, Muslims are no threat at all, it's all about extremists of any kind and fear is certainly our biggest enemy followed by complacency...I think any group with ideals which go against the good should be carefully monitored

That is why so many on the extreme left are opposed.

why are so many on the extreme left opposed, I thought it was because they have zero idea of what is actually happening and they sincerely think they are helping so they go all "I'm for human rights and you sods are violating human rights by saying they can't wear a burqa" so I was sympathetic thinking once I explained why that was bogus they would jump off of the train, but they are missing the bigger picture so I don't get why when the bigger picture is explained they get all p*ssy and dig their heals in and can't re-examine?

what good is defending someone's human rights when that defense violates their human rights...why wouldn't they change...I did.

I don't get it?
 

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CSIS flags online anti-Islam threat

CANADIAN PRESS March 3, 2015 · Updated 8:54 AM
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By Jim Bronskill, The Canadian Press

OTTAWA - Canada's spy agency is eyeing the threat of a homegrown anti-Islam movement spreading online.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service advised the office of Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney of its concerns during a secret September briefing.

CSIS flagged well-known warnings of the persistent menace posed by terrorist groups al-Qaida, Hezbollah and the more violent and radical Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL, say notes obtained through the Access to Information Act.

But under the heading Domestic Extremism, the spy service also underscored what might be the flip side of that coin — the recent development "of a Canadian online anti-Islam movement, similar to ones in Europe."

CSIS characterized it as an "ongoing risk, particularly as its proponents advocate violence."

The Sept. 18 briefing for Blaney's office came a little more than a month before soldiers were killed in Canadian attacks just two days apart — murders committed by young men that authorities say were motivated by Islamic extremism.

Shortly after the killings, there was vandalism of mosques in Ottawa and Cold Lake, Alta., threats against the B.C. Muslim Association, and a general increase in reports of public bullying and harassment of Muslims.

However, CSIS is likely more interested in the kind of anti-immigrant, anti-Islam sentiment that has taken root in some parts of northern Europe, even among the middle class, said Lorne Dawson, a University of Waterloo sociology professor and co-director of the Canadian Network for Research on Terrorism, Security and Society.

"They're just not used to dealing with immigrants at all, let alone immigrants that are quite different," Dawson said of Europe. "We have a much longer track record of immigration in general — waves and waves of immigrants that have come for decades."

Dawson suspects CSIS is motivated by the horrific July 2011 slaughter of 77 people in Norway by Anders Behring Breivik, who penned a manifesto outlining his far-right ideology, including an extreme anti-Muslim outlook.

"In Europe, it tends to attract violent individuals. So if (there's) any chance it's starting to take wings in Canada, then you can see why they're concerned," he said. "I suspect they're just seeking due diligence to be on top of this at the earliest possible moment in light of Breivik."

A Norwegian official briefed CSIS shortly before the release of an inquiry report that found the Scandinavian country's security services could have prevented Breivik's attack.

CSIS spokeswoman Tahera Mufti did not respond to requests for comment.

A simple online search quickly turns up websites with Canadian domain addresses spouting anti-Islamic invective.

The government's anti-terrorism bill, to be scrutinized at a Commons committee starting next week, would give the RCMP power to seek a judge’s order to remove extremist propaganda from websites.

National security threats are not confined to Canadian borders, the CSIS presentation notes warn.

"International developments have a considerable impact on Canada's interests."

CSIS faces a challenging investigative environment in which the rapid movement of people and modern communications technology has "extended the reach" of those who pose a threat and has increased the ease and speed with which they can act, the notes add.

"Co-operation with domestic and foreign partners is critical, including reliable access to information."

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