Crumbling Foundations: Why the Family Unit Is Crucial to Civilization

marygaspe

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OK so if a couple arent married by your church they must have evil screwed up children? what happens in areas of the world where people marry in their own religions?


You're being very sensitive today. Who said they had to be married in a Church? The point is, the best balanced family is two parents(male and female) and their own biological kids.
 

hermanntrude

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this is not always possible in modern society. there are foolish people out there who confuse lust and love, and have hedonistic ways, or learn too late that they married a man who beats people up for fun. In many situations divorce is the BEST thing.
 

mapleleafgirl

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this is not always possible in modern society. there are foolish people out there who confuse lust and love, and have hedonistic ways, or learn too late that they married a man who beats people up for fun. In many situations divorce is the BEST thing.

many dosent mean all. the exception dosent make the rule, know what i mean.you just like to disagree i think. my parents are divorced and it sucks.
 

hermanntrude

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it sucked when my parents divorced too, but it didnt make me into a dysfunctional person. you seem adjusted enough to be able to function well. you have an enquiring mind and the ability to communicate... these are important.

I would never suggest that all married people should divorce, but i do believe the option should be there and there should be no stigma attached to it. I'm married myself and i plan never to divorce, but if my wife started hitting me or sleeping around i expect i would consider it.
 

mapleleafgirl

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it sucked when my parents divorced too, but it didnt make me into a dysfunctional person. you seem adjusted enough to be able to function well. you have an enquiring mind and the ability to communicate... these are important.

I would never suggest that all married people should divorce, but i do believe the option should be there and there should be no stigma attached to it. I'm married myself and i plan never to divorce, but if my wife started hitting me or sleeping around i expect i would consider it.

well duhhh, again those are exceptions. i think the point here is allot of adults dont take their responsiblities very seriously. they think of themselves and not their families. kids are like last on the list for allot of people cos theyre so busy being happy they dont care who they hurt to be happy.
 

hermanntrude

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well duhhh, again those are exceptions. i think the point here is allot of adults dont take their responsiblities very seriously. they think of themselves and not their families. kids are like last on the list for allot of people cos theyre so busy being happy they dont care who they hurt to be happy.

please stop saying duh. i'm not stupid.

I know that these are exceptions i am speaking of. but there are a lot of them and the alternative to them being divorced is worse. therefore the option should be available for them to separate, without fear of being thought of somehow less worthy. and children of divorced families should not automatically be thought of as somehow less likely to be "good"
 

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Good Thread here.....

The role of the Church......nuturing families and their relationship with God...

Is that a fair assessment???


Straight up. and yet let's not bog the discussion down into the role of the Church. Let's remember that everything in life begins with the individual. Society as a whole, at least in Canada, is very much one that celebrates the individual. Old-fashioned values are scorned, and a sense of being responsible for one's actions is offset by psycho-babble about how one feels inside.
 

hermanntrude

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communication is the key.

without communication one cannot be empathetic, without empathy, one cannot be kind and considerate to others, without that, relationships soon turn sour and families end up spending years with each other yet never understanding anything they feel.

I agree the church has often played a key role in the process of encouraging empathy (do unto others as you would have them do to you), but it neednt be the church that teaches people this. Empathy should be encouraged at every stage in childrens development
 

marygaspe

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Straight up. and yet let's not bog the discussion down into the role of the Church. Let's remember that everything in life begins with the individual. Society as a whole, at least in Canada, is very much one that celebrates the individual. Old-fashioned values are scorned, and a sense of being responsible for one's actions is offset by psycho-babble about how one feels inside.


the real issue is we now live in a time when adults do not want to be responsible for anything. There are more excuses for bad behaviour or abadoning wives and children than there are leaves in the tress, it seems.What we really need are our men back..where have they gone?>
 

marygaspe

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As for anything that causes an end to life such as abortion, I cannot imagine the Church ever relenting on this issue.

Neither can I. Somethings are just not worth fighting the Church on, for no matter how much people cry out, they will not relent on the doctrines of the Catholic faith.
 

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Man I just did a quick over-view of the contribes to this thread and the next thing you won't see are the little round pucker marks where the foolish would poke this stuff with a ten-foot pole.

As I close the door behind me...just remember that this kind of dialogue can touch people on th innermost level of what they believe and who they are...be kind and gentle with each other please...
 

darkbeaver

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Oh, sorry, I was off on a whole other tangent:)

Not specific to the Church ,no. But again, we face a problem within the Church. If we accomodate our doctrines and vlues to the secular mindset, we run the danger of compromising important issues central to our position as a faith group/Church. In other words, we are unable to change those things which form part of the core doctrines of the faith, such as the sanctity of life.

Though, of some interest, there is much talk these days about allowing for contraceptives between married couples. Perhaps not a large step, but a step.

As for anything that causes an end to life such as abortion, I cannot imagine the Church ever relenting on this issue.


While The Church may never support abortion it has always blessed war, promoted poverty and ignorance, I suggest that not supporting abortion leads to more inforced misery rather than less.
 

m_levesque

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While The Church may never support abortion it has always blessed war, promoted poverty and ignorance, I suggest that not supporting abortion leads to more inforced misery rather than less.


Why? Certainly would be best to abstain from sex then to do so unwisely. You play, you gotta pay.
 

DurkaDurka

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cliche. The rate of women who get pregnant from rape is so small it does not justify abortion. This is used by pro-murder people to justify their birth control methods.

How did I guess you were going to respond with that cookie cutter reply? Contrary to what you believe, women are raped and do become pregenant, regardless of the rate abortion is something that should be available to them.

You are also ignoring women whose own health is threatened by pregnancy, where abortion is needed to protect their own lives. You will hear none of that though, I imagine you have had quite a few years of brainwashing courtesy of the RC church.
 

Tonington

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cliche. The rate of women who get pregnant from rape is so small it does not justify abortion. This is used by pro-murder people to justify their birth control methods.

It certainly is cliche, but it illustrates the point. There are other reasons for abortion besides simply rape. Even people using contraceptives can still get pregnant. I know three women who have had abortions and I can tell you it wasn't easy on them.
 

m_levesque

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While The Church may never support abortion it has always blessed war, promoted poverty and ignorance, I suggest that not supporting abortion leads to more inforced misery rather than less.

When we sin, we incur a "debt" with God which has to be repaid according to His law. Since sin is so offensive to God, becase of His infinite holiness, we can't in our finite human capabilities pay this debt because it's so big. Nothing we do can atone for our sin.
i.e. we depend completely on Jesus for our salvation! We cannot save ourselves.

The only thing that could pay the "debt" for sin, was the sacrifice of the Son of God - the pure "spotless Lamb of God". Jesus has esentially paid the ransom for us and set us free from the bondage of sin. The merit of His sacrifice is infinite so it can be used to atone for all sins ever committed and all sins that ever will be committed.
 

canadarocks

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When we sin, we incur a "debt" with God which has to be repaid according to His law. Since sin is so offensive to God, becase of His infinite holiness, we can't in our finite human capabilities pay this debt because it's so big. Nothing we do can atone for our sin.
i.e. we depend completely on Jesus for our salvation! We cannot save ourselves.

The only thing that could pay the "debt" for sin, was the sacrifice of the Son of God - the pure "spotless Lamb of God". Jesus has esentially paid the ransom for us and set us free from the bondage of sin. The merit of His sacrifice is infinite so it can be used to atone for all sins ever committed and all sins that ever will be committed.


Uhmm, yeah, okay, and that has what to do with what darkbeaver wrote?
 

marygaspe

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It certainly is cliche, but it illustrates the point. There are other reasons for abortion besides simply rape. Even people using contraceptives can still get pregnant. I know three women who have had abortions and I can tell you it wasn't easy on them.

So why get them? Just because you get pregnant? There is a way to prevent that for us women, it's called keeping your legs closed:-(
 
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