No it isn't. And after that banning and the warning from the Mod, I'll make the choice to not continue this conversation. Have at it.
Creation or Evolution?
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No it isn't. And after that banning and the warning from the Mod, I'll make the choice to not continue this conversation. Have at it.
I'm pretty sure we are allowed to still debate.
You can't take a die hard Christian and take God out of the equation without forcing your own belief as the right foundation on which to base existance on.
By saying this you did just that, without really offering a viable solid scientific alternative.
I just see it as bashing a belief system cause you can.One should offer a viable alternative, after claiming look3465's belief in God the creator is wrong and not in the "real and now"
I don't see any point in saying there is no God without offering a viable alternative....claiming "the real and the now" is superior to God creator as an alternative is just too airy fairy.....
although I don't believe in the bible i do respect the people that do and will come to their aid when necessary.Their good works done in christian charirty warrant my behaivour.
although I don't believe in the bible i do respect the people that do and will come to their aid when necessary.Their good works done in christian charirty warrant my behaivour.
No Current religion solves this regress logically , I cannot comment on another notion of god unless you bring it forward yourself as it is their logic is deeply flawed.
But god is not an alternative just another question .
If you see Dave Blaine walking on air what do you assume ? (It's an old trick so if you know hw it's done substitute with another trick that you are not familiar with )
Lets say you do all the hard work and still cannot come up with a rational explanation , do you make one up ?
A conversation will follow like this :
Ben
dave walks on air because he's got little pixes holding him up . Todd: But there is no evidence to the fact that these pixes exist .
Ben : I know but it explains it
Todd: no it does not .
Ben : do you have a better reason ?
Todd: I have no proof and hence nothing to base a theory on .
Ben: I win .
Someone made you Mod here when I wasn't looking?
Fact is you and I don't get along.
People get all upset when you and I start ****.
I don't want to respond to your **** and piss people here off.
That I don't want anything to do with you warrants that you extend me the same courtesy for the peace of the rest of the board.
But god is not an alternative just another question .
If you see Dave Blaine walking on air what do you assume ? (It's an old trick so if you know hw it's done substitute with another trick that you are not familiar with )
Lets say you do all the hard work and still cannot come up with a rational explanation , do you make one up ?
A conversation will follow like this :
Ben
Todd: But there is no evidence to the fact that these pixes exist .
Ben : I know but it explains it
Todd: no it does not .
Ben : do you have a better reason ?
Todd: I have no proof and hence nothing to base a theory on .
Ben: I win .
My point is not to win in this debate, only to present the Christian view as an opposition to that of a not christian view.
I therefore have to present all that I know and believe to be true to me as an alternative to the opposing view.
The debate format is such that not only the participants are receiving information but to the non-participating readers as well.
I am taking this opportunity to share my views without discriminating the opposites point of view as not real or true, but rather that the audience making up their own minds based on their own personal beliefs as to what they wish to gleam from all this.
Without an opposing view, there is no discussion.
Peace>>>AJ
God is a religous belief system...if you are going to refute it cause you don't believe it... it's lame.....just say you don't believe it...but giving even more airy fairy alternatives in a forum is not doing anything other than allowing you to continue to insult another's religous belief system.But god is not an alternative just another question .
If you see Dave Blaine walking on air what do you assume ? (It's an old trick so if you know hw it's done substitute with another trick that you are not familiar with )
Lets say you do all the hard work and still cannot come up with a rational explanation , do you make one up ?
A conversation will follow like this :
Ben
Todd: But there is no evidence to the fact that these pixes exist .
Ben : I know but it explains it
Todd: no it does not .
Ben : do you have a better reason ?
Todd: I have no proof and hence nothing to base a theory on .
Ben: I win .
I may be misinterpreting it but it seems that God is being manifested in many a natural occurrence. I don't think they are any more legitimate than the invisible man in the sky theory. But then I've never discussed with anyone the idea that God is an interpretation of the method nature uses to remain in balance and deal with the natural progression of life.
So I can't say that should someone come along and take that route, that I think they are wrong in thinking that.
Do theists say that their religion applies only to them ?Of course not , they apply it to the world around them and and by extension you and me . It Infects out politics our laws our culture and our freedoms . If you have an idea about how the world works and apply it to everyone regardless then to expect me not to be critical is to expect me to back down before you , i wont .
God is a theory just because a lot of people accept it does not mean it is beyond reproach , I will repeat again there is just as much evidence to state that the flying spaghetti monster created the world (Pastofaction http://www.venganza.org/ ) that allah , buddaha , God, Yaweh created the world . If your feelings are hurt there is always the iggy button I don't really care if you read my posts or not (As a matter of fact anyone offended by my free-thought might as well join him )
That is what einstein meant when he said that he believed in god , his god is nature - all the judgments , hatred , divison , global morals , ........ that exists within the Abrahamic religions is in valid then there is no intelligent all mighty watcher figure that judges human morality no creationist intelligence.
Correct you are sir.
But does that mean that Einstein was wrong? Or does that mean that a flaw in a version of God doesn't change another?
It means at least in my opinion that everything is wrong .
If god is nature then there is no one that can argue that god exists .
If god is nature that means there has to be more than one way to worship and protect it .
If god is nature that means the issue of regress is taken care of matter always existed whether on the mega-verse level or strictly in our own universe .
If god is nature then that means there is no divine global moral code (But what we make for ourselves based on our human interactions )
If god is nature than life is a gift not a state we must wait to to get to real bliss when we die we return to nature and become what we were to begin with matter .
If god is nature than no one can claim to speak for him or use him to justify his own hatred .
If god is nature then might not there be others like us out there sons of the same cosmos as us .
Einstein was far from wrong my friend just like with relativity this idea is so simplistic it's elegant .
Mind you I do not believe gods exist ( no proof of that ) but if god is the universe around us and not an intelligent watchful judgmental being then in at least the sense of the abahamic religions god does not exist .
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LOLI love the leader!
Here's the story in exerts from Wiki :
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (also known as the Spaghedeity) is the deity of a parody religion called The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.[1] The religion was founded in 2005 by Oregon State University physics graduate Bobby Henderson to protest against the decision by the Kansas State Board of Education to require the teaching of intelligent design as an alternative to biological evolution. In an open letter sent to the education board, Henderson professes belief in a supernatural Creator called the Flying Spaghetti Monster which resembles spaghetti and meatballs.[2] He furthermore calls for the "Pastafarian" (a portmanteau of pasta and Rastafarian) theory of creation to be taught in science classrooms.[3]
All evidence for evolution was planted by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, in an effort to test Pastafarians' faith; a form of the Omphalos hypothesis. When scientific measurements, such as radiocarbon dating, are made, the Flying Spaghetti Monster "is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage."[2]
In place of the Ten Commandments, it contains The Eight I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts, which is arguably a somewhat looser moral code.
The Pastafarian belief of heaven stresses that it contains beer volcanoes and a stripper factory.[9] Hell is similar, except that the beer is stale and the strippers have VD.[10]
Full article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Also the original story has a if not happy sane ending :
Challengers in the state's Republican primary who made opposition to the anti-evolution standards their focus were voted in on August 1, 2000, so on February 14, 2001, the Board voted 7–3 to reinstate the teaching of biological evolution and the origin of the earth into the state's science education standards.[10
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creati...cent_developments_in_state_education_programs
Challengers in the state's Republican primary who made opposition to the anti-evolution standards their focus were voted in on August 1, 2000, so on February 14, 2001, the Board voted 7–3 to reinstate the teaching of biological evolution and the origin of the earth into the state's science education standards.[10
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creati...cent_developments_in_state_education_programs
Oh and i just have to post this :
The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"
The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"
- I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou ass when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really, I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject.
- I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.
- I'd really rather you didn't judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, Okay? Oh, and get this into your thick heads: woman = person. man = person. Samey = Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we're talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.
- I'd really rather you didn't indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is go f*** yourself, unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.
- I'd really rather you didn't challenge the bigoted, misogynistic, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the b*******.
- I'd really rather you didn't build multi million-dollar churches/temples/mosques/shrines to my noodly goodness when the money could be better spent (take your pick):
- Ending poverty
- Curing diseases
- Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable
I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.
- I'd really rather you didn't go around telling people I talk to you. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can't you take a hint?
- I'd really rather you didn't do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/Las Vegas. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something.
A debate between non-god believers is a none debate.
Got to have opposing views and challenges.
There can be no winners on the topic of God, creationism or evolution because neither one are provable to the point where one could say, "this is it, this is the truth of the matter, thereby all should comply."
But is left up as a mystery on both sides so as to give mankind a goal to strive for.
I can say it works well and good for me, can I share it with you? Perhaps it will work well and good for you too, as it does for me.
Politically, the people whose values are in power dictate the nature of the course it takes, unless it is overthrown and by if so, the whole process starts up again.
The power that lasts the longest in time and prosperity, is by righteousness, the better system.
But it is not to say that it can not become corrupted from within and righteousness out the window, for then does the system collapse under its own make.
Peace>>>AJ
Got to have opposing views and challenges.
There can be no winners on the topic of God, creationism or evolution because neither one are provable to the point where one could say, "this is it, this is the truth of the matter, thereby all should comply."
But is left up as a mystery on both sides so as to give mankind a goal to strive for.
I can say it works well and good for me, can I share it with you? Perhaps it will work well and good for you too, as it does for me.
Politically, the people whose values are in power dictate the nature of the course it takes, unless it is overthrown and by if so, the whole process starts up again.
The power that lasts the longest in time and prosperity, is by righteousness, the better system.
But it is not to say that it can not become corrupted from within and righteousness out the window, for then does the system collapse under its own make.
Peace>>>AJ
I guess Fidel is a righteous dude then!
And although a secular socialist government, they do allow for freedom of religion...even Rastas.
Muz
Fidel is a sinner and will go to the great pit of pasta (My own theological conclusion) Because he does not believe in our Spaghedeity . So Sayth the gospel of the Spaghedeity .:angryfire:
Just playing .