COVID-19 'Pandemic'

Tecumsehsbones

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Make no mistake, my comments were not directed at demeaning the US or reveling in someone else's misery.
They weren't? Crap.
The political BS aside, and we have the same dynamic happening here in terms of Trudeau using this as an electioneering opportunity, I believe that the long term effects of this event will have very real health effects (mental and physical) long into the future.
I'd blame you (collective you) for that, but he only got a bit over a third of the vote, so I guess it wouldn't be fair.
My point in referring to those 4 countries that took a different path is that other nations could have benefited from Sweden or S Korea being the lab rat and taking all the risks.. Observe (and maybe even cooperate) with these nations and alter your course accordingly.
Observe and cooperate with other countries? Ain't the MAGA! way.
That said, I can sure appreciate that Trump is a 1-man train wreck when it comes to stick handling this situation.
And in every other way. Trudeaubama's a job of work, too. Sorry he happened to y'all.
 

JLM

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Talking about "the science" is just as much bullshit and fake news that we get from you lot as "the science" you lot bang on about when it comes to climate change.

The fact of the matter is that there is no "science" - different epidemiologists have different opinions on the matter. There are those who agree with the lockdowns and those who don't. I've even read articles taking the opposite view of yours - that only herd immunity can give us a vaccine.

So don't come it with "the science" claptrap. "The science" is just an invention of a group of zealots to brainwash the public into thinking they are right.

And the US lockdown is a failure (proving that "the science" is wrong). So why continue it?


What "matter" do YOU have any facts about? :)
 

Tecumsehsbones

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As the old expression goes: You don't always get the gvt you want but you always get the gvt you deserve.
I must have done something totally horrible and unforgivable in a previous life
Ah, c'mon. Don't sell yourself short. I'm sure you've done horrible and unforgivable things in this one!
 

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What "matter" do YOU have any facts about? :)

I only deal in facts.

I'm not like women and liberals and let my emotions override facts. I only deal with facts and just saying it how it is.
 

JLM

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You have to remember that the US and Canada are both sparsely populated country. The populations of the US and Canada are both very small relative to the size of both countries.

You both would have fared much worse if you were as crowded as Britain and Italy.

And the US lockdown is a failure. End that failure. End the lockdown.


The best thing the U.S. can do right now is put a barbed wire fence around the country and confine everyone to their homes for a month. THAT will put the squeeze on the critters!
 

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I'm more worried that I voted Liberal in a previous life and will be for ever punished for such a heinous transgression


No big deal...………...Liberal, Conservative, Socialist, these days they are all tarred with same brush...……...get elected, stay elected & languish on the fat pension! :)
 

Tecumsehsbones

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No big deal...………...Liberal, Conservative, Socialist, these days they are all tarred with same brush...……...get elected, stay elected & languish on the fat pension! :)
"Languish" means "waste away." I'm not sure that's the word you wanted to use.

In other cartoons. . .

 

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Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg said it's time for MPs to do what the Government has just told the English public to do - go back to work properly.

He was admonished for this by Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle.

But Rees-Mogg is right...


Rees-Mogg is right: bring MPs back to parliament

It would show a fearful nation that it is time to start getting back to business as usual.


JOANNA WILLIAMS
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14th May 2020
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Many cleaners, factory workers and builders have now gone back to work. Delivery drivers, shelf-stackers, nurses and carers never stopped working. Meanwhile, those of us with office jobs continue to work from home. So we now have a situation where middle-class professionals exist in relative comfort off the backs of those whose work requires more than a laptop. Yet those pointing out the hypocrisy of this situation don’t call for everyone to be back at work; instead, they demand the working class, in the name of safety, abandon all aspiration to earn a living.

So how wonderful to hear a member of parliament calling, in no uncertain terms, for at least one section of the professional middle class to return to business as usual: our elected representatives.

‘It is vital that when we are asking other people to work, and go to their places of work if they cannot do so from home, we should not be the ones who are exempt from that… it is essential that we move back to physical ways of working as quickly as possible… Parliament must set an example of how we move back gradually to a fully functioning country again. Our constituents would expect nothing less… How can we say to our schoolchildren, you’re safe going back, some of them, but we’re not? We’re going to hide away. Is that the right message to give to our constituents?’

Who is this champion of class equality? Is it Jess Phillips the self-styled gobby working-class MP for Birmingham Yardley? Or the more likeable Lisa Nandy, whose pitch for Labour leader focused on reconnecting the Labour Party with its erstwhile working-class voters? Of course not. It was the caricature of posh privilege: Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Rees-Mogg’s words were not well received. His speech was shut down by Commons speaker Lindsay Hoyle, who then threatened to suspend parliament altogether if physical distancing rules were breached in the Commons chamber: ‘My priority, and the priority for all, I am sure, is to make sure that those on the estate are safe while business is facilitated.’

Rees-Mogg is absolutely right to call on his fellow MPs to lead by example in getting the UK back to work. But leadership has been noticeably lacking in the government’s handling of coronavirus. Rather than taking a lead, the prime minister and members of the cabinet have followed public opinion, hidden behind the science, and succumbed to pressure from journalists. They overstated the threat of coronavirus and promoted unnecessary fear and alarm in the population. They made mistakes in first calling off mass testing, then setting arbitrary targets and, fatally, in sending sick people back to care homes. As a result of the lockdown, we are now facing a deep economic recession with hundreds of thousands of people already effectively unemployed. Future funding for health, education and other vital public services could be severely hit.

The UK urgently needs to get out of lockdown and back to work. But instead of strong, confident leaders – who assume the best of the general public – we have mixed messages. In one breath we are encouraged to ‘be alert’ and use our common sense; in the next our actions are micromanaged. The government is now encouraging schools to reopen, to a very limited extent, from the beginning of June, much to the horror of the teaching unions. But rather than allowing headteachers to assume responsibility for getting their schools up and running, Education Secretary Gavin Williamson has said class sizes should be capped at 15 so children can be kept in socially isolated bubbles. This does not reassure parents and teachers that it is safe to get children back to school; instead, this focus on social distancing simply tells people they are correct to be afraid.

Rees-Mogg is also right about the limitations of working from home. It’s not just that many people can’t possibly do their job from their kitchen table — even for desk workers a socially isolated laptop is no substitute for the office. Sitting in a corner of your bedroom day in, day out, or, if you’re lucky, on your own in a spare room, is soul-destroying. You miss the life-affirming creativity that comes from spontaneous interaction with other people. You miss the discipline that leaving the private sphere and entering the public realm requires. At work, you have to look and behave and follow all kinds of unwritten rules that don’t apply in your own home. You cannot function so effectively.

When your workplace is parliament then not being able to function properly means democracy itself is thwarted. ‘We have no flexibility of questions… no ability for people to bob [indicate a desire to speak], to come in, to join in the debate, no cross-cutting of debate, no ability to advance arguments or to take them forward’, Rees-Mogg rightly points out. ‘Simply, a series of prepared statements made one after another. That’s not the House of Commons doing its proper duty, its proper role of scrutiny of the government.’

Yet rather than being welcomed by opposition parties keen to get back to the business of holding the government to account, Rees-Mogg has been roundly criticised. His counterpart, Valerie Vaz, decried the call to breach the government’s own health advice. The SNP’s Tommy Sheppard said it was a ‘fantasy’ to believe that physical sittings could resume on 2 June. Conservative MP Robert Halfon went further and warned that the demand to resume in-person sittings would lead to the creation of an ‘apartheid parliament’: ‘It cannot be a Darwinian parliament. It is not a parliament for survival of the fittest, it’s a parliament for everybody.’ Meanwhile, Labour’s Kevin Brennan spied a conspiracy behind Rees-Mogg’s view: ‘I think Rees-Mogg wants the House of Commons back in person so that Boris Johnson is not left alone at PMQs desperately looking about for support from empty loyal benches as he flounders around trying to wriggle off the hook of @Keir_Starmer’s penetrating interrogation.’

Coronavirus is no longer an epidemic in the UK. Latest figures from the Office for National Statistics indicate that just 0.24 per cent of adults – approximately 136,000 people – have the virus. The Royal College of GPs suggests it may be even less. Right now, the biggest threat to people’s health comes not from coronavirus but from the potentially devastating economic impact of the continued lockdown. The image of MPs and government ministers sitting back in the House of Commons would send a badly needed message to a fearful nation that it really is time to get back to business as usual.

Joanna Williams is a spiked columnist and director of the think tank Cieo.


https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/14/rees-mogg-is-right-bring-mps-back-to-parliament/
 
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Blackleaf

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The best thing the U.S. can do right now is put a barbed wire fence around the country and confine everyone to their homes for a month. THAT will put the squeeze on the critters!

Like other countries, the US cannot afford to stay in lockdown much longer, otherwise there won't be much of an economy and people will starve to death as a result.

I'm sorry for stating the bleeding obvious...

What worries me is that there are so many people who are so economically illiterate that they can't even see this. They naively think lockdown can just keep going but for everything to be okay. They just don't seem to understand how an economy works. If things continue much longer, we won't even have health services, as there'll be no money to pay for them.

It's not rocket science.

In half an hour's time, the weekly 8pm clapping and cheering and pyrotechnics for the NHS will take place. But what worries me is that so many of the public don't seem to realise that if the lockdown continues for much longer there won't even be an NHS.
 
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Tecumsehsbones

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Like other countries, the US cannot afford to stay in lockdown much longer, otherwise there won't be much of an economy and people will starve to death as a result.
I'm sorry for stating the bleeding obvious...
What worries me is that there are so many people who are so economically illiterate that they can't even see this. They naively think lockdown can just keep going but for everything to be okay. They just don't seem to understand how an economy works. If things continue much longer, we won't even have health services, as there'll be no money to pay for them.
It's not rocket science.
In half an hour's time, the weekly 8pm clapping and cheering and pyrotechnics for the NHS will take place. But what worries me is that so many of the public don't seem to realise that if the lockdown continues for much longer there won't even be an NHS.
More people are killed by ladders than by starvation in the U.S.
 

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So with this testing. Has anyone been tested in here?


Does anyone think they had it?
 

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The political BS aside, and we have the same dynamic happening here in terms of Trudeau using this as an electioneering opportunity, I believe that the long term effects of this event will have very real health effects (mental and physical) long into the future.


And it gave him the cover to shut down Roxham Road.


When this is all over I am doubting he will allow it to reopen.