COVID-19 'Pandemic'

Blackleaf

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Yep, Corona virus pretty well takes the hit for everything.

In recent years it was Brexit which gave companies the excuse to get rid of a few employees from their payroll.

"Sorry, mate. I'm going to have to get rid of you. Cos of Brexit, you see."

Now that's done, Britain is out of the EU, something which is already largely forgotten about, coronavirus is the new excuse now.

"I apologise for this, Dave. But my 100 year old neighbour Ethel died from coronavirus last night. I'm going to have to make you redundant. I know you've been working here for 35 years, but here's a gold watch."
 

pgs

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Totally BRILLIANT. Did you see hi m on CNN the other nite? Not only intelligent practical ,down to earth and wise. I too admire him. The works his foundation is doing is exemplary.He and Malinda are an exceptional team.
They are Trump supporters .
 

pgs

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Re: COVIDD-19 'Pandemic'

Final tally for 03/28/2020:

In terms of actual cases:

World: 663,000
USA: 123,500
Canada:5,650

Deaths:

World: 30,851
US: 2,211
Canada: 60

Cases/million:

US: 373
Canada: 150

Deaths/million:

US: 7
Canada: 2

New cases today:

US: 19,372
Canada: 898

notes:

-NYC residents trying to flee city, are turned back by state troopers in Rhode Island
-the pandemic is beginning to hit the red states hard (Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, etc)
-the only city that has been hit hard thus far in Canada is Montreal
-Canada with a record 900 new cases (most from La Belle province)
How can this be the days final tally when the day has not ended ?
 

pgs

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Re: COVIDD-19 'Pandemic'

Final tally for 03/28/2020:

In terms of actual cases:

World: 663,000
USA: 123,500
Canada:5,650

Deaths:

World: 30,851
US: 2,211
Canada: 60

Cases/million:

US: 373
Canada: 150

Deaths/million:

US: 7
Canada: 2

New cases today:

US: 19,372
Canada: 898

notes:

-NYC residents trying to flee city, are turned back by state troopers in Rhode Island
-the pandemic is beginning to hit the red states hard (Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, etc)
-the only city that has been hit hard thus far in Canada is Montreal
-Canada with a record 900 new cases (most from La Belle province)
Yes spread by those returnees who refused to self isolate . However both their provincial government and our federal government didn’t do much to prevent them .
 

JLM

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Re: COVIDD-19 'Pandemic'

Flu deaths in the UK 2008/09: 13,000

Average number of global flu deaths per year: 500,000

I hate to sound... right... but let's put things into perspective here, calm down, stop the hysteria and urge our governments to let things go back to normal.


I can't be the only one to see that things have got rather daft now - ****ing up our economies and allowing millions to lose their jobs just because a few people have got the sniffles.


This has to stop.


Basically I think you are right for 80 - 90% of sufferers. BUT don't under estimate the toll it can take on the elderly, those with other debilliating conditions or those with compromised immune systems. They most definitely can and do die!
 

B00Mer

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Eh! T-Bones here is your shirt.

 

Avro52

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Around 30,000 people have died from coronavirus... or so the figures say, but we don't know how reliable they are because countries have different methods of recording so-called coronavirus deaths.
Italy's death toll is likely exaggerated because the authorities there record anyone who has died with coronavirus merely in their system as having died from coronavirus, when most have actually likely died from something else.
Germany's death toll is very low, and likely more accurate, because it seems to be recording only those who have actually died from coronavirus as having died from coronavirus.
So that 30,000 coronavirus deaths is hugely exaggerated.
Meanwhile, 500,000 will die of the flu this year.
We're ****ing up our economies, losing people their jobs and causing great harm to people's health and wellbeing by keeping them at home all the time for no good reason.
Mind how you go...

 

petros

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Re: COVIDD-19 'Pandemic'

Around 30,000 people have died from coronavirus... or so the figures say, but we don't know how reliable they are because countries have different methods of recording so-called coronavirus deaths.
Italy's death toll is likely exaggerated because the authorities there record anyone who has died with coronavirus merely in their system as having died from coronavirus, when most have actually likely died from something else.
Germany's death toll is very low, and likely more accurate, because it seems to be recording only those who have actually died from coronavirus as having died from coronavirus.
So that 30,000 coronavirus deaths is hugely exaggerated.
Meanwhile, 500,000 will die of the flu this year.
We're ****ing up our economies, losing people their jobs and causing great harm to people's health and wellbeing by keeping them at home all the time for no good reason.
Mind how you go...
Sounds like a conspiracy huh?
 

Jinentonix

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Due respect, that's an anecdote. I didn't ask if that happens; for that matter, I already acknowledged it does. I asked if it's a significant percentage of costs.
I'd bet it is, based on what I've seen from various visits to the emergency dept. Hell, the emergency dept at the hospital where I live appears to have given up on performing triage and simply call people on a first come-first served basis, almost as a nod to fact that so many people show up there for non-emergencies they've given up prioritizing.


One of my sisters-in law works the emergency at the hospital in the next city over and even she's bitched about the numerous idiots who waste their time with non-emergencies.


I do have one example involving only dental visits to emergency depts. In 2013-104 alone there were over 12,500 non-traumatic dental visits made to BC's ERs. This represented 1% of the total at a cost of $154.8 million. This may seem insignificant but that is misleading: treatment was not given, the problem was not resolved and yet the taxpayers were on the hook for that money that could have been better spent elsewhere in their health care system. And again keep in mind that's only for dental non-emergencies and that's only one province.


From a report from Ontario's Auditor General:
There were many frequent visitors to emergency departments who made at least one visit per month. In 2008/09, about 100 patients made 1,600 visits in total to the three emergency departments we visited. Many of these visits were related to minor symptoms. For example, one patient made 43 visits in 22 months with such non-emergent conditions as back pain, headache, dizziness, or flu-like symptoms. The patient was instructed on several occasions to follow up with the family doctor. At one emergency department we visited, we were told that emergency departments are no longer a place for “emergencies ” because they are inundated with patients who believe that they can obtain faster access to specialists and lab tests at emergency departments instead of waiting for referrals from family doctors. The manager of the diagnostic imaging department at another hospital also informed us that many patients visit emergency departments simply because they are unable to have their diagnostic tests completed quickly through other channels.




The same report also stated that about 30% of the visits to Ontario ED's are low-acuity and non emergencies.
 
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Tecumsehsbones

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I'd bet it is, based on what I've seen from various visits to the emergency dept. Hell, the emergency dept at the hospital where I live appears to have given up on performing triage and simply call people on a first come-first served basis, almost as a nod to fact that so many people show up there for non-emergencies they've given up prioritizing.
One of my sisters-in law works the emergency at the hospital in the next city over and even she's bitched about the numerous idiots who waste their time with non-emergencies.
I do have one example involving only dental visits to emergency depts. In 2013-104 alone there were over 12,500 non-traumatic dental visits made to BC's ERs. This represented 1% of the total at a cost of $154.8 million. This may seem insignificant but that is misleading: treatment was not given, the problem was not resolved and yet the taxpayers were on the hook for that money that could have been better spent elsewhere in their health care system. And again keep in mind that's only for dental non-emergencies and that's only one province.
From a report from Ontario's Auditor General:
The same report also stated that about 30% of the visits to Ontario ED's are low-acuity and non emergencies.
That sounds significant, but I still wonder at the scope of the problem. The only figure you quoted was 1%, well within tolerances, and for that matter a model of efficiency. Even the report quickly jumped to a non-representative anecdote after stating a reassuringly low number, usually a sure sign of scaremongering.

If it was my place to recommend, I think probably the best answer is an income-scaled payment, what we call a "co-pay" down hereabouts in the Republic of Insurance Companies.

Worth a try anyhow.