Coups arranged or backed by the U.S.A

[#juan]

Is it wrong to support despot governments throughout the world for our own good?

Killing people for your own good??? Causing the repression and enslaving of people for your own good??? That is precisely how the world got in the shabby mess it is in.

 

[Huck]

Is it wrong to support despot governments throughout the world for our own good?

Killing people for your own good??? Causing the repression and enslaving of people for your own good??? That is precisely how the world got in the shabby mess it is in.

yeah, i think so too. But, what if it was thanks to these evil doings that we, europeans decendent s did that we had our land, our money, our comfort. Without the wrong doing, maybe the world would be under soviet rule. Maybe we would still be living in barns. or have to work a month for a full tank of oil. maybe we wouldn't have computers, cars, etc.

Evil go us comfort, are we ready to give it up for honour and virtue?


Joseph stalin said: "one death is a tragedy, a million death is a statistic".

 

[Huck]

There are only 2 ways to eliminate terrorism: either you kill all your oponents, or you give everyone good liveing, and no reason to want to overthrow you.

But, our world, our nations and our comform requires slaves. Nothing would work if we all worked for 35$ / hour, or if we were all rich. no one would want to clean the toilets, repair streets at 35 celcius, or work 18 hours straigth, 7 days a week to make cheap clothes. No buying power, no economy in a capitalist world.

We are dependent on slavery and abuse. And as long as this will happen, the world will never be good and clean. And as long as this will happen, there will be terrosism, maily due to frustration and jealousy.

To have slaves, and enjoy priviledges, you must support despot governments to ensure that some nations remain slaves, that will work for you. Its sad, but true.

we live in a dog eat dog world. Even in the jungle, odds of survival are next to nothing on a long enough period. That's how nature intended it and how it created us. As long as we will feel envy, frustration, hate, jealousy, etc. nothing wil ever be balanced enough for a peaceful world. Hell, many can't even agree on this very forum.

So, it pains me to say, but in the real world, where there is no fairy tale, we must abuse or be abused. Be the king or a slave. Thats how it is anyways. We are far form being as smart as we would like to think, and many scientific research in psychology are now begining to prove this.

So, lets try to make the most about it and leave girly feelings behind. Tha's just that, and we must thank our god for making the world as it is... :evil:

 

[darkbeaver]

Ooooo, the world is morally awake and know moral bankruptcy when they see it. They see it in the stupid talk shows (and the so called reality shows), the brutally violent movies coming out of our film studios, and all of the DAMN WARS our country starts, they know that SOMETHING is wrong with our country, because none of that crap would fly anywhere in the world even for a second.

But why play with words, oh America, you are the quintessential evil of the world, from the time of the Indian slaughters to the Iraq invasion, you can never do any good. You have but one purpose, world domination. To do so, you kill your own citizens, install tin pot dictators the world over, you obstruct the spread of communism in the name of profit. You are a beacon of greed, consumerism and materialism. You dumb down your population through the media controlled by the evil corporations.

Chinese believe that the United States deliberately started the SARS epidemic; Islamic leaders in three Nigerian states blocked critical polio inoculations for children, denouncing them as a U.S. plot to spread AIDS or infertility among Muslims. And best-selling books in France and Germany claim that 9/11 was a propaganda stunt by American intelligence agencies and the military industrial complex.

Ah America, the world sees you for what you are.

You have , discounting the sarcasm, described the problem , you have offered no solution, you cannot bomb these beliefs out of predominance despite what your monotheistic Church of The Hydrocarbon Junkies tell you. I believe real solutions must come from within the USA, you have to provide democracy in your own country, many believe a new American civil war is in order.

 

[#juan]

Huck

Just a quick off topic word.

I shortened your URL in an earlier post. It was causing so much side scroll that a decent sized paragragh was converted to a line and a half deep, but about four feet long. Check out:

http://tinyurl.com/

 

[Huck]

Huck

Just a quick off topic word.

I shortened your URL in an earlier post. It was causing so much side scroll that a decent sized paragragh was converted to a line and a half deep, but about four feet long. Check out:

http://tinyurl.com/

Thanks! i was actually wondering how to write short URLs.

 

[I think not]

You have , discounting the sarcasm, described the problem , you have offered no solution, you cannot bomb these beliefs out of predominance despite what your monotheistic Church of The Hydrocarbon Junkies tell you. I believe real solutions must come from within the USA, you have to provide democracy in your own country, many believe a new American civil war is in order.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[aeon]

From 1945 to the end of the (20th) century, the USA attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populists- nationalist movements struggling against intolerable regimes. In the process, the USA caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair. William Blum - author of Rogue State :evil:

And how many from those ended up to democracy?? a big nothing.

 

[Huck]

From 1945 to the end of the (20th) century, the USA attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populists- nationalist movements struggling against intolerable regimes. In the process, the USA caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair. William Blum - author of Rogue State :evil:

And how many from those ended up to democracy?? a big nothing.

well, they actually removed some democracies, like the democratically elelcted Salvador Allende of chile and replaced him by pinochet... Some also beleive that they have tried with Chavez (and may try again).


certain ex-usa afflicted countries are democracies, but with a small 'd'.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0412-27.htm

 

[aeon]

well, they actually removed some democracies, like the democratically elelcted Salvador Allende of chile and replaced him by pinochet... Some also beleive that they have tried with Chavez (and may try again).


certain ex-usa afflicted countries are democracies, but with a small 'd'.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0412-27.htm

Thankx for clarifiying. And that coup with pinochet was on september 11th, 1973. 3000 peoples were killed. but that is ok, who cares anyway??

 

[Toro]

USA didn't join the WAR until it was ATTACKED!!!

So it was the Nazis who bombed Pearl Harbor then, was it?

The cold war was a 50/50 thing. Both sides did wrong things so thanks for nothing again USA.

America spent hundreds of billions protecting Western Europe alone. Oh, it wouldn't it be wonderful if we were all living under Communism!

Oh and one mans freedom fighter is another's terorist, just as in one persons liberator is another's conqourer.

Yes, that's right. The Poles, Hungarians, east Germans, et. al. loved their Soviet libarerators so much they invited them to stay for half a century. Right?

So the US is building bases in Poland and possibly Romania, eh? I wonder why. Hmmmm.

I guess you could also see it this way. The USA in the 80's loved Osama, funded him and supported his allies too. Just for him to find a new terorist target the usa.

Also the USA also supported Saddam in the 80's as he fought Iran. We all know how that has turned out. yeah. No thanks again USA.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Too bad the Americans didn't understand the blowback from defeating Soviet tyranny!

Jesus, the list is so long. In the end there were few differences between the USSR and the USA... in the end you could say the USA has better PR. *shrugs*...

America wanted to free the world, the Soviets wanted to enslave it. Other than that, there was no difference at all!

 

[Toro]

You have , discounting the sarcasm, described the problem , you have offered no solution, you cannot bomb these beliefs out of predominance despite what your monotheistic Church of The Hydrocarbon Junkies tell you. I believe real solutions must come from within the USA, you have to provide democracy in your own country, many believe a new American civil war is in order.

"Many?"

Hahahaha.

Someone's got a hate on for America.

 

[Toro]

And how many from those ended up to democracy?? a big nothing.

List them, then we'll see.

 

[Huck]

USA didn't join the WAR until it was ATTACKED!!!

So it was the Nazis who bombed Pearl Harbor then, was it?

The japanese had an alliance with the nazis, so it comes down to the same.

As for the WW I & II, a quick note: The ironic part is that both the nazis and the allies were financed by the same banks: the Rothchilds. It matters not the faction, as long as they pay interrests... Without this immoral support from money hungry bankers, there would have been no war, no deaths...

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes...Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." - Napoleon Bonaparte

 

[unclepercy]

Ooooo, the world is morally awake and know moral bankruptcy when they see it. They see it in the stupid talk shows (and the so called reality shows), the brutally violent movies coming out of our film studios, and all of the DAMN WARS our country starts, they know that SOMETHING is wrong with our country, because none of that crap would fly anywhere in the world even for a second.

But why play with words, oh America, you are the quintessential evil of the world, from the time of the Indian slaughters to the Iraq invasion, you can never do any good. You have but one purpose, world domination. To do so, you kill your own citizens, install tin pot dictators the world over, you obstruct the spread of communism in the name of profit. You are a beacon of greed, consumerism and materialism. You dumb down your population through the media controlled by the evil corporations.

Chinese believe that the United States deliberately started the SARS epidemic; Islamic leaders in three Nigerian states blocked critical polio inoculations for children, denouncing them as a U.S. plot to spread AIDS or infertility among Muslims. And best-selling books in France and Germany claim that 9/11 was a propaganda stunt by American intelligence agencies and the military industrial complex.

Ah America, the world sees you for what you are.

You have , discounting the sarcasm, described the problem , you have offered no solution, you cannot bomb these beliefs out of predominance despite what your monotheistic Church of The Hydrocarbon Junkies tell you. I believe real solutions must come from within the USA, you have to provide democracy in your own country, many believe a new American civil war is in order.

And what would that civil war be about? What a stupid comment.

Uncle

 

[I think not]

And how many from those ended up to democracy?? a big nothing.

List them, then we'll see.

Yes I'd like to see that list also. Good idea.

 

[Huck]

And how many from those ended up to democracy?? a big nothing.

List them, then we'll see.

Yes I'd like to see that list also. Good idea.

(i answered part of that.)

 

[I think not]

It's a long list Huck

 

[Huck]

It's a long list Huck

OK, im not running for defending a claim that is not mine, but i thought it was a good thing to look it up and try to answer the quesiton. 8)

Note that this list may be largely incomplete as the US have been very active over 300 years. If anyone can help refine the list, you are most welcome.

Democracies removed by the US: Mosadegh in Iran, Aristide of Haiti, Allende in Chile, Arbenz in Guatemala, Noriega in Panama, Juan Bosch in the Dominican Republic and (almost) Chavez of Venezuela (I bet it will be retried soon).

Those that receive US support and benediction: Guatemala, Indonesia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turmekistan, Iraq (during the iraq/iran wars)

Countries where it was known that the US military helped corporations establish themselves: Mexico, Haiti , Cuba, half-a-dozen Central American republics, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Honduras, China, a few in africa such as niger, etc..


I hope this will help us better understand the matter

 

[I think not]

Those that receive US support and benediction: Guatemala, Indonesia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turmekistan, Iraq (during the iraq/iran wars)

Good list, could you amplify your answer in bold please?