Coups arranged or backed by the U.S.A

the caracal kid

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division?

not I. I am not captialist nor socialist for I look at the real sources of social stablility reflected in the nature of their members.

little guy-big guy. Again, I am not saying the US should be treated differently than other entities, but by the same standards.
 

jimmoyer

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Fairness is quite more complex.

I've known for a long time in work situations that to
treat everybody fairly is to treat them differently,
according to their personalities, needs, capabilities,
limitations.

This view of what is fair is often lost in matters of
world relations, and even in our own lives, and when
we discuss the problems of democracy.

And from your posts, and most likely from your personal life you've probably often demonstrated the qualities
of capitalistic and socialistic behavior.
 

darkbeaver

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RE: Coups arranged or bac

Destructive endless circular debate of this kind brought about the UN in the first place, which was effectively hamstrung by veto power. If it,s a global community, and it is , then the UN (reborn) is the answer, all for one and one for all. Anything less is bullshit.
 

the caracal kid

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"And from your posts, and most likely from your personal life you've probably often demonstrated the qualities
of capitalistic and socialistic behavior."

yes, for what are capitalist and socialist behaviors but human behaviours.

treating fairly/treating differently, yet treating by the same standards.
 

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"Oh and one mans freedom fighter is another's terorist, just as in one persons liberator is another's conqourer.
"

OBL and Saddam are two such examples. But today there are political movements such as the emergence of leftist governments all over South America --- all of which won on anti-USA platforms. Oh well, there's an old story that what goes around, comes around.
 

Huck

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Re: RE: Coups arranged or backed by the U.S.A

gopher said:
"Oh and one mans freedom fighter is another's terorist, just as in one persons liberator is another's conqourer.
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OBL and Saddam are two such examples. But today there are political movements such as the emergence of leftist governments all over South America --- all of which won on anti-USA platforms. Oh well, there's an old story that what goes around, comes around.

Check this thread:

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11460

In there we demonstrate some econmics, and you can better understand why so many countries hate the USA; its not the people they hate, its the way the US governments takes the world's money...

Because you are american, you dont see what they are going through...
 

gopher

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Yes, I had seen the thread before. But I do not understand economics all that well and prefer not to comment unless I fully understand an issue.

You are correct that most of the world HATES the USA government - not the people. I just hope that most people throughout the world understand that not all Americans want war as do Bush and his supporters on this forum. Most of us want peace - I certainly do!
 

Huck

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Re: RE: Coups arranged or backed by the U.S.A

gopher said:
Yes, I had seen the thread before. But I do not understand economics all that well and prefer not to comment unless I fully understand an issue.

You are correct that most of the world HATES the USA government - not the people. I just hope that most people throughout the world understand that not all Americans want war as do Bush and his supporters on this forum. Most of us want peace - I certainly do!

I can assure you they do understand...
 

darkbeaver

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RE: Coups arranged or bac

I have been told that the CIA spent millions to unsucessfully block the election in 1972 of Edward Cough Williams in Austraila. The US ambassador to Austraila at the time was Marshall Green. Can anyone here supply some more detail about this.
 

darkbeaver

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RE: Coups arranged or bac

Alfredo Vásquez Carrizosa, president of the Colombian Permanent Committee for Human Rights:

"Violence [in Colombia] has been exacerbated by external factors. In the 1960s the United States, during the Kennedy administration, took great pains to transform our regular armies into counterinsurgency brigades, accepting the new strategy of death squads."

"[These initiatives] ushered in what is known in Latin America as the National Security Doctrine, not defence against an external enemy, but a way to make the military establishment the masters of the game [with] the right to combat the internal enemy, as set forth in the Brazilian doctrine, the Argentine doctrine, the Uruguayan doctrine, and the Colombian doctrine: it is the right to fight and to exterminate social workers, trade unionists, men and women who are not supporters of the establishment, and who are assumed to be communist extremists. And this could mean anyone, including human rights activists such as myself."
 

darkbeaver

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Dr. Robert M. Bowman, a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the USA Air Force, in an open letter to the USA President, George W Bush (2001):

"We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom, and human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in third world countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. And that hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism..."

"We are the target of terrorists because we stand for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation in the world. We are the target of terrorists because we are hated. And we are hated because our government has done hateful things. In how many countries have we deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations?"

"We did it in Iran when we deposed Mossadegh because he wanted to nationalize the oil industry. We replaced him with the Shah, and trained, armed, and paid his hated Savak national guard, which enslaved and brutalized the people of Iran. All to protect the financial interests of our oil companies. Is it any wonder there are people in Iran who hate us?"

"We did it in Chile when we deposed Allende, democratically elected by the people to introduce socialism. We replaced him with the brutal right-wing military dictator, General Pinochet. Chile has still not recovered."

"We did it in Vietnam when we thwarted democratic elections in the South which would have united the country under Ho Chi Minh. We replaced him with a series of ineffectual puppet crooks who invited us to come in and slaughter their people, and we did. (I flew 101 combat missions in that war....)"

"We did it in Iraq, where we killed a quarter of a million civilians in a failed attempt to topple Saddam Hussein, and where we have killed a million since then with our sanctions. About half of these innocent victims have been children under the age of five."

"And, of course, how many times have we done it in Nicaragua and all the other banana republics of Latin America? Time after time we have ousted popular leaders who wanted the riches of the land to be shared by the people who worked it. We replaced them with murderous tyrants who would sell out and control their own people so that the wealth of the land could be taken out by Domino Sugar, the United Fruit Company, Folgers, and Chiquita Banana."

"In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights. That's why we are hated around the world. And that's why we are the target of terrorists."

"People in Canada enjoy better democracy, more freedom, and greater human rights than we do. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian embassies? Or Swedish embassies. No. We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom, and human rights."

"Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so the oil companies can sell the oil under their sand, we must send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water, and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill thousands of Iraqi children every day with our sanctions, we must help them rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals; all the things we destroyed in our war against them and prevented them from rebuilding with our sanctions."

"Instead of seeking to be king of the hill, we must become a responsible member of the family of nations. Instead of stationing hundreds of thousands of troops around the world to protect the financial interests of our multinational corporations, we must bring them home and expand the Peace Corps. Instead of training terrorists and death squads in the techniques of torture and assassination, we must close the School of the Americas (no matter what name they use). Instead of supporting military dictatorships, we must support true democracy; the right of the people to choose their own leaders. Instead of supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination, and terror around the world, we must abolish the CIA and give the money to relief agencies."

"In short, we do good instead of evil. We become the good guys, once again."

"The threat of terrorism would vanish. That is what the American people need to hear. We are good people. We only need to be told the truth and given the vision. You can do it, Mr. President. Stop the killing. Stop the justifying. Stop the retaliating. Put people first. Tell them the truth."

II WILL ONLY USE AMERICAN SOURCES IN THIS THREAD FROM NOW ON, THE AMERICAN LEFT IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING NEST OF LEFTYS IN THE WORLD!
 

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I used to drink the kool aid as far as believing that the US supported freedom throughout the world. When I went to Vietnam I got to look and ask "what's wrong with this picture?" I'm told that the US supports oppression in the third world because it's the "lesser of the two evils", that "communism is worse". Come on now, Allende!?
 

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ElPolaco: The only time the USA has supported freedom was during their war of independence. Another example of attrocities is East Timor. While the medias were covering extensively the pol pot masacres in cambodia, the exact samer attrocities were happening in east timor: with full support of the americans! of course, the cambodians received no help either.

you can check this list of war crimes, not nice to see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes

The USA get into something for the money (europeans are no better)
 

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Huck said:
ElPolaco: The only time the USA has supported freedom was during their war of independence. Another example of attrocities is East Timor. While the medias were covering extensively the pol pot masacres in cambodia, the exact samer attrocities were happening in east timor: with full support of the americans! of course, the cambodians received no help either.

you can check this list of war crimes, not nice to see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes

The USA get into something for the money (europeans are no better)

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Wikipedia and on-line "living document" per se. Living encyclopedia if you will. So that means anyone could add their own war crimes to this?

To say the the use of depleted uranium is an illegal weapon I believe is false. How else are we to blow the turrets off Russian made tanks? DU makes a nice neat hole and showers the occupants in the tank with molten steel setting everything ablaze causing the ammo to cook off sending the turret (in a lot of cases) spinning through the air.

That is just plain old warfare.