Conservatives at 41% - majority territory

[crit13]

can think of some...

Record surpluses, reduced debt,

When a parent (Feds) downloads a majority of his expenses down to his kids (provinces/municiplaities) and cuts out huge chunks of their allowances (transfer payments) it would be shameful for that parent to claim to be some sort of financial wiz. Cut my expenses by half and I could pay down my debt much easier also.

refusal to enter the Iraq disaster like Harper would have us in,

Harper can put us in Iraq now, yet he doesn't. Plus, it was the Liberals that sent us into the war in Afghanistan. If Harper put us into Afghanistan, you liberals would be screaming war monger.

lowest unemployment in decades, strong economic growth and prosperity.

I guess record growth by the US and the rest of the world had nothing to do with that. You can also add record government waste to that list.

13 years I don't regret and it was Mr. Manning that handed them this power for so long by spliting the vote.

Exactly. It's not as if Canadians were in love with the Liberals. The Liberals only real competition was getting it's vote split which allowed the Liberals to get majority governments with a little over a third of the elected vote. Didn't Chretien win his second majority with 36% of the vote? What a joke.

I could make a list of things about the cons in there short reign as well but I don't think I want to make you cry.:lol:

Why would I cry? The Conservatives are in power and getting ready to win a majority. You should be crying and hiding under your bed. You wouldn't want to confront any of those soldiers with guns on your street that Harper put there.

 

[crit13]

For whatever reason, the Liberals won in Quebec. It was a minority win but the Bloc, (used to be conservatives) came in third. Harper won't get too many votes in Newfoundland or the maritimes and I doubt if he'll get many in Quebec. It isn't over yet.

Not even close. The Bloc is more left of the Liberals. They would give the NDP a run for their money.

The ADQ is a right wing party with ties to the Conservative party and they finished second.

Regarding votes. Harper never expected to get many seats in Atlantic Canada anyway. It's a liberal wasteland with a few pockets of common sense. Quebec has almost always been an anchor for the Liberal party. Not so anymore. Harper would only need about 10 more seats from Quebec to form his majority.

Funny how you mention regions within Canada. The regions that vote predominently Liberal are all the welfare provinces with huge unemployment. There is a mass exodus of people moving from liberal land to Conservative land in the west.

 

[Tonington]

Harper never expected to get many seats in Atlantic Canada anyway. It's a liberal wasteland with a few pockets of common sense.

Harsh much? Jeez buddy, spit out the venom. Why on earth would Atlantic Canadians vote overwhelmingly for Harper after his disparaging remarks. There is plenty of Conservative minded people in these parts.

Common sense doesn't seem to be a surplus in those who blindly follow some left/right dichotomy, as is evident in some of your past comments.

 

[ottawabill]

it's funny that when polls say the conservatives are heading to a majority this site remains full of talk of them being whiped out...

The liberals balanced book by removing healthcare funding and using P.S. pension funds..for with the public service is suing as we speak..This is your great social party? The only truely free votes in the house have all been conservative votes, Liberals alway must tote party lines. Hell they are fired if they don't no matter what there ridings associates think.

Harper, as much as I find him a tad cold is not scarey. He has proven himself to no be scarey..thats why his ratings are going up. But my friends here can't handle that so they must keep the just wait..just watch..he'll be scarey if he has a majority....omg don't give him one he will sell the country to Bush and lead us to war with Cuba...or something like that... The man has right wing values..yep values..just as there are left wing or centre values..the deep dark side has actually values too!!

his competition is weak, and honestly unless one of their daily mudslinging events actually sticks (they have been pretty lame issues up till now) he doesn't have much to fear.

Hell the scilent majority in Quebec went right wing... It's only southern Ontario where the Liberals have any base at all, Harper has been eating at that while doing more for Chinese and East Indian communities. Hell he has even called Quebec distinct... He's no hero, he will not save the nation, but nor is he destroying it....

I'm sick of hereing..."And then he will try and rule the world" crap!!

 

[Avro]

When a parent (Feds) downloads a majority of his expenses down to his kids (provinces/municiplaities) and cuts out huge chunks of their allowances (transfer payments) it would be shameful for that parent to claim to be some sort of financial wiz. Cut my expenses by half and I could pay down my debt much easier also.

Hey, they did what Mike Harris did.....only difference is the Libs returned the cash once the books were balanced.

Harper can put us in Iraq now, yet he doesn't. Plus, it was the Liberals that sent us into the war in Afghanistan. If Harper put us into Afghanistan, you liberals would be screaming war monger.

He won't because he now knows it would be wrong but had been PM we would be losing men and women there right now for nothing because a proof is not a proof until it is proven after all.

I

guess record growth by the US and the rest of the world had nothing to do with that. You can also add record government waste to that list.

They didn't ruin the Canadian economy like all the cons said they would and it pains you to give them credit for it.......sad. I suppose if the cons have good economic growth it will be because they are sound managers and it will have nothing to do with the U.S. economy.

Partisan nonsense.:roll:

Exactly. It's not as if Canadians were in love with the Liberals. The Liberals only real competition was getting it's vote split which allowed the Liberals to get majority governments with a little over a third of the elected vote. Didn't Chretien win his second majority with 36% of the vote? What a joke.

The Liberals enjoyed an era created by cons and I thank them for it.

Why would I cry? The Conservatives are in power and getting ready to win a majority. You should be crying and hiding under your bed. You wouldn't want to confront any of those soldiers with guns on your street that Harper put there.

Why would I hide, it was BS.

A hidden agenda can only be implemented under a majority so we shall see if the Libs were right.

 

[crit13]

Harsh much? Jeez buddy, spit out the venom. Why on earth would Atlantic Canadians vote overwhelmingly for Harper after his disparaging remarks.

My remark was in reply to juan that claims Atlantic Canada will not vote for Harper en masse. The fact is, Atlantic Canada has been a bastian for the Liberals.

That we be equivalent to me saying that the Liberals won't be winning many seats in Alberta.

The difference is that the West is growing in population which means additional H of C seats will be added to reflect this trend. Those new seats will be taken up mostly by the Conservatives.

Ottawa bill makes an excellent point. If you take out southern Ontario from the mix, the Liberals would be fighting to maintain party status.

Common sense doesn't seem to be a surplus in those who blindly follow some left/right dichotomy, as is evident in some of your past comments.

That's rich. One would think that this site was coming from the Soviet Union during the cold war. Out of all the sites I have been on, this one is so far left, it's off the charts.

 

[Tonington]

That's rich. One would think that this site was coming from the Soviet Union during the cold war. Out of all the sites I have been on, this one is so far left, it's off the charts.

I'm not saying there isn't the same problem among Liberal supporters. I said:

Common sense doesn't seem to be a surplus in those who blindly follow some left/right dichotomy

 

[Avro]

Harper, as much as I find him a tad cold is not scarey. He has proven himself to no be scarey..thats why his ratings are going up. But my friends here can't handle that so they must keep the just wait..just watch..he'll be scarey if he has a majority....omg don't give him one he will sell the country to Bush and lead us to war with Cuba...or something like that... The man has right wing values..yep values..just as there are left wing or centre values..the deep dark side has actually values too!!

You have no clue what that goverment would be like with a majority, it's based on Harpers actions in a minority with checks and balances and does not reflect what Harper thought in his private life and as one of the founders of the Reform party. I'm not saying anything either way, just that we haven't seen Harper with real power yet only a man trying to get it.

 

[ottawabill]

but the only thing that statement does is try to lesson his ablility to have a majority...the fear of the unknown factor is being played to it's utmost here!!

 

[Avro]

That's rich. One would think that this site was coming from the Soviet Union during the cold war. Out of all the sites I have been on, this one is so far left, it's off the charts.

Why?

Is it because some members are left wing?

Or is it that it is left wing unless all members are right wing.

It's a conspiracy.:roll:

Plus nobody is making you post here, go over to Canadaka.net you'll find plenty of right wingers there and lots of Muslim bashing.

Otherwise quit whining.

 

[BitWhys]

I think considering that since it suits his purpose he's letting Strahl turn the Wheat Board into exactly the thing conservatives claim to most loathe its pretty obvious to anyone who's actually paying attention that Harper is as phoney as a three dollar bill.

 

[Avro]

You mean this......?

Since the Conservatives took power in Canada, Chuck Strahl, the minister of Agriculture has actively worked towards the end the Wheat Board's monopoly. This has included the replacement of government appointees to the board of directors in favor of individuals who oppose the board's monopoly, a gag order on wheat board staff, the firing of the pro-board President of the Board, and intervention in the election of farmer elected members of the board of directors. (See http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2006/12/19/measner-fired.html and http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2006/10/31/keith-cwb.html Some more details on this is below.

• December 2006 CWB board of directors election. Only one of five farmer elected seats go to opponents of the Canadian Wheat Board's monopoly on the selling of Canadian wheat and barley internationally. Since there is only one incumbent farmer elected board member opposed to the monopoly, only 2 out of 10 farmer elected directors are opposed to the monopoly. Nonetheless, the government appoints 5 members to the board meaning that supporters of the board's monopoly only have an eight to seven majority. Doubts have also been cast on the results because Strahl, the minister of Agriculture removed upwards of 20,000 farmers from the voters list in the midst of the election. Some supporters of the board's monopoly believe that these were farmers who would be more likely to support the board's monopoly and that the removal was politically motivated to alter the results. [1]
• December 19, 2006: Chuck Strahl dismisses CWB president Adrian Measner, an outspoken supporter of the monopoly. This was done by Strahl with the statment "It's a position that [he] serves at [the] pleasure [of the Minister/Government]. And that position was no longer his" [2] It was made clear to Measner that he might save his job if he opted to support the government's plan to dismantle the CWB monopoly, something he refused to do. (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061219/wheat_board_061219/20061219?hub=TopStories) The majority of the CWB's board of directors opposed the firing of Measner. (http://www.vueweekly.com/articles/default.aspx?i=5606)

 

[BitWhys]

bah

that's just his antics

I mean transforming it into a government-backed commercial operation that competes directly in a market that doesn't require it. Its enough to make Smith and Marx puke into the same bucket.

 

[Avro]

I see, do you have any links for this claim?

I'd like to read them.

 

[crit13]

Hey, they did what Mike Harris did.....only difference is the Libs returned the cash once the books were balanced.

Actually, it was the other way around. As the Liberals downloaded costs to Ontario, he was forced to do the same. The Feds paid 50 cents of every healthcare dollar into Ontario before Cretin and Martin. 2 years later the 50 cents became 17 cents.

The Liberals never returned any money back to the provinces. Are you going to claim just as the Liberals do that the fiscal imbalance is a myth?

He won't because he now knows it would be wrong but had been PM we would be losing men and women there right now for nothing because a proof is not a proof until it is proven after all.

Yes of course. It's easy to prophesize the future oh great one. Just like if we give the Liberals another majority they will take the rest of our tax dollars instead of just skimming.

They didn't ruin the Canadian economy like all the cons said they would and it pains you to give them credit for it.......sad. I suppose if the cons have good economic growth it will be because they are sound managers and it will have nothing to do with the U.S. economy.

Partisan nonsense.:roll:

I give credit, where credit is due. The Liberals did do some things right. Mostly Martin (as finance minister), less so Chretien. Hell I voted Liberal my whole life up until the red book fiasco.

A hidden agenda can only be implemented under a majority so we shall see if the Libs were right.

Still hanging on to the hidden agenda boogey man I see? Boo!!

 

[GenGap]

If the polls keep them above 40% for more than a month, Harper should pull the plug and put the Liberals out of their misery.

I'm tired of the Liberal whining and crying. It's time Canada put them where they belong; as far away from power as possible.

Actually the liberals are doing far much whining then when the conservatives were in the minority and look what happen conservatives got a minority government. If an election was called today it would be a liberal minority!

 

[GenGap]

Empty anger??

Believe me. There are plenty of things that anger me about the Liberal party of Canada.

I could start a list, but I would be typing for about a week and half.

Sounds about right, accept you will be a week and half behind the conservatives and they have only been in power one year.:lol:

 

[BitWhys]

I see, do you have any links for this claim?

I'd like to read them.

Not everything in the known world fits on to a web page. Go figure out what FA Hayek would say about Harper setting up a competitive government business where there's no natural monopoly and take it from there. For my part suffice it to say that Strahl's vision for the Wheat Board couldn't be further from classical liberalism if you put an il Duce T-shirt on it.

 

[GenGap]

I have to say, the last half a year or so the Conservatives have looked awfully Liberal to me, in regards to their free spendings, their sudden focus on the environment, and pandering to the other left wing parties to gain support for motions to pass. I'm surprised that many of the staunch Conservative supporters are in favour of this style of 'right-wing party doing left-wing actions', because they sure weren't supporting it when the same actions were being done by the party across the floor. But I guess if your party's name is at the top, that's good enough."

I think conservatives do not realize that they are walking around with knives in their back. Quebec knives that is.

While I have been in favour of some of the actions taken by this government, they have also come across as smug, arrogant and quite babyish in their interviews and in the HoC debates, and it's a real turn-off; I can't remember the last time I heard a Harper, Baird, Ambrose, etc. quote without the words "but the Liberals" or "compared to the Liberals" being used to justify whatever the government is doing at the current time. We get it, and you know what, we don't care anymore; it's old news. I want to see you lead and move the country forward, not listen to you drone on with a skewed history lesson from 13 years ago. Until this party starts acting like they're in government, and not playing the same tune they did while in opposition (which comes across as quite sad on both the national and the international stage), they won't be seeing my vote.

I agree, the conservatives need to be bottle fed right now, yet babys grow. The only way they will trully grow as a government is too clean up their government, starting with Emerson, Baird, and Day.

 

[crit13]

If an election was called today it would be a liberal minority!

Keep drinking that kool aid. It would be pretty tough for the Liberals to win an election with 22% support.