Seems to me to be more something a leftard would do. But then I have worked numerous elections as a scrutineer, deputy returning officer and other positions both paid and voluntary.
Conservative 'Robocalls' tricked voters in last election
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Seems to me to be more something a leftard would do. But then I have worked numerous elections as a scrutineer, deputy returning officer and other positions both paid and voluntary.
You are talking to a brick wall. Conservative Party supporters see nothing wrong with voter fraud as long as their side wins. One of the reasons I supported the Reform Party was because of the high importance they placed on democracy. Unfortunately, when Preston Manning stepped aside, any interest in democracy moved on as well.
NO I don't think the media made it all up and NEVER said they (people piss me off who put words in my mouth) I've absolutely no doubt there was some skulduggery going on, but I still have no idea by who or how many. There is a huge difference between media making things up and "putting spin" on things. I'm apolitical as I've said many times they are ALL capable of just about anything.
Upon re reading post # 73 I was remiss in not ending the post with the words "until we know more". Sorry about that. :smile:
If I had said person(s) would that have worked for your small brain? So far nothing I have read has proved there was more than one person or that it was done with any direction from party officials.
How about you explain just how even a group of con supporters got the lists of Liberal members and now posibly NDP members as well.in 18 or so ridings? These lists are not normally handed out even to party volunteers on a mass basis. The riding executive will have a few copies but volunteers on the phones will only get a page or two to call and not necesarily in order, usually by area not alphabeticly. It is easy enough to get a copy of the voters list because it is more or less public information but it does not say what if any party the voter belongs to.
Do you believe that the conservatives planted moles in 18 Liberal riding offices just to get copies of their members lists?
Of course there is no proof...yet. Common sense says this is more than one person though.
Ya think? Bigger than Trudeaugate, Mulroneygate, Adscam? I'd want more info before making that prediction. But still you could be right...................we'll see! :lol:
I know that but common sense also dictates that it would be near impossible for any party to get the membership lists of other parties from that many ridings. If you just use the voters lists you are just as likely to screw up your own supporters as well. It would seem to me that if only Liberal supporters were receiving the bogus calls the perp would have to be a Liberal supporter, probably at the national headquarters because that is the only place that would have all the ridings membership lists.
There are some very devious minds at play in all parties so it is not impossible that the libs orchestrated this to try and force another election just after they ordain their new leader.
Or I could be completely off base.
I think you're completely off base. I don't think membership lists are "top secret" like you do.
They were when I was a provincial riding association president. Can't speak for federals.
You don't need membership lists. The data that the Conservatives have built up on people is legend. They use their campaign donations very well, they have databases which include all sorts of things from the number of times they've contacted you, to how likely you are to vote Conservative, to how much you've donated, and probably lots more. It was in the news a few years back now, when they used their databases to send Rosh Hashanah cards. It's not like the other parties aren't also doing it, it's just that the Conservative Party system is far better.
Here's a news clip from the time this story was making waves:
Someone is watching you - Editorial - The Telegram
What percentage of the electorate do you really think they have these figures on? 2%, 3%, 5%? When these political parties phone here I tell them to "F**k off"- what data do you really think they can compile from that?
Yes. I had to sign for my copy of the membership list for the riding and I could not have even got a copy for the adjacent riding much less for another party anywhere.
I didn't vote for any of the 3 main parties so I don't care who was responsible as long as they get punished. The whole affair just has a fishy smell to it.
Something that seems to have been missed so far is that it is more or less common knowledge what robo dialing firm the cons used so it is also possible that some $hit disturber with no links to any party found a way to call certain people . Perhaps by noting addresses with lawn signs and used a cross directory or a liberal did it to try and force another election. Interesting that the calls only seem to be in ridings that the liberals lost don't you think? Other than they did loose kind of a lot of them.
No you didn't, but calling it a non issue and saying "So until that happens we don't know if it's a different class altogether. How much sh*t does the media generate?" does suggest you might, it's one possible interpretation. My point was that we DO know it's in a different class altogether, it's a direct attempt to interfere with people's right to vote, no different in principle from stationing goons at the entrance to a polling station to prevent opposition supporters from entering.
On a different tack, you don't need party membership lists to pull this off, there's no indication in the reports I've seen that only party members were targeted. All you need is a voters list and the data from the campaign offices about known supporters and non supporters. You don't even have to purloin that from the opposition campaign, your own canvassing in the riding will give you enough information, just go around looking at the signs people put up.
Anything is possible, I was just going by what I saw on the news this afternoon (I have nothing more so far to go on) so I'm not getting too excited yet and am certainly not ready to accept that "it's the biggest political scandal in Canadian history"- yet anyway. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
THAT I can easily believe. Ironically I advised my young grand daughters this evening that ANY THING they put on Facebook can end up anywhere.
My brain would certainly have understood that using that vernacular would point to there being multiple people involved which is much more believable than your original claim that it was some over-eager and misguided underling acting all alone. Hope none of those words are to big for your little brain.
Nobody has put out any proof of anything at this point really. All we know as actual facts are that some misleading calls were made on election day through a company that was used by the CPC. Everything else is speculation and educated guessing.
I could probably get this info in less than a day with a few entries into the right search engine.
Exactly why a lot of people are speculating their was involment from some high ranking party officials.
Possible but if they were as smart as you like to think they would just have one good mole at Elections Canada where they have all the info.
I don't think there is a party out there that hasn't 'misdirected' funds at some point but this would be the first time for actual mass scale election fraud if that is how it pans out. To me that is far bigger than some missing money.
Wow, you really are a hardcore CPC supporter aren't you. The Libs did it to themselves to blame the Cons later and get a whole new election??? As much as I like the idea of a new national election the only recourse I can actually find in the election act is a by-election in those ridings affected and any candidate found to be involved banned from running for 5 years. Hardly the reason for the great conspiracy you suggest....did you run out of tinfoil for your hats when you came up with this idea???
Just exactly how much fraud and deception in the actual election process do you need for it to become the biggest scandal in Canadian politics.
Just ask Harpo and his pals! An innocent photo with a public figure can wind up at CPC headquarters where they will issue the orders to physically remove you from an 'open' town hall meeting with Harpo. Even if you happen to be a naive young girl.