Conservative Gurmant Grewal

[Reverend Blair]

Or it could be because the boss might think you can benefit his business better working for someone else.

Are you trying to say that Belinda was fired or that the Grewals were about to be fired? Or are you saying that Stevie was fully informed from the beginning and was instrumental in trying to entrap and frame a Cabinet Minister and then altering tapes?

No spin, Blue. I think it's very unfortunate that the Grewals and the CPC didn't go to the RCMP and get a proper wire for all of these conversations. Now they have made an amateurish mess of the whole thing. At the same time though, they never showed much interest in having things properly investigated by the police or the ethic commissioner, so apparently their motives had little to do with revealing corruption and everything to do with cheap political gamesmanship.

 

[bluealberta]

Or it could be because the boss might think you can benefit his business better working for someone else.

Are you trying to say that Belinda was fired or that the Grewals were about to be fired? Or are you saying that Stevie was fully informed from the beginning and was instrumental in trying to entrap and frame a Cabinet Minister and then altering tapes?

No spin, Blue. I think it's very unfortunate that the Grewals and the CPC didn't go to the RCMP and get a proper wire for all of these conversations. Now they have made an amateurish mess of the whole thing. At the same time though, they never showed much interest in having things properly investigated by the police or the ethic commissioner, so apparently their motives had little to do with revealing corruption and everything to do with cheap political gamesmanship.

Nowhere did I come close to saying that. I have on many occasions said that Barbie Belinda was more a liberal than a conservative, so I do think she is in the right party.

Say what you want, and I will agree that nobody looks good in this, but there really is no doubt that the Libs were on a buying spree in their efforts to hold onto power at all costs.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

But they never bought Grewal. They wouldn't give him any guarantees. That, my friend, is on the tapes. Vague talk and hints of something to come, but no real offers.

Stronach never showed herself to be corrupt at all. She was a top member of the CPC so any negotiation to cross the floor would necessarily have her in a prominent position in the Liberals. She clearly wasn't getting her agenda (a well-spoken public agenda) addressed in the CPC, so she went where she could get it addressed.

Brison, who you despise so much, worked first as a secretary, then moved into cabinet, as befitted his former position.

So there it is. Nobody seriously expects prominent MPS to start out as backbenchers when they cross the floor. The back-bencher who wanted to cross the floor never got the offer he was seeking. He is the one who was seeking an offer for his wife that cannot be argued not to be corrupt though. An appointed position, especially one as important as Ambassador to the UN, is not the same as a cabinet spot.

 

[no1important]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

Now he is under investigation by Air Canada for trying to get someone to carry a package on plane for him and he told Harper he is taking indefinate stress leave.

This guy should resign. He sure is a bozo. He won't get re-lected anyways. He barley won a tight 3 way race last time. People in this riding are sick of his antics, I know I am.

Goofy Gurmant story

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

He's quite a guy, eh? Lying on resumes, doctoring tapes, trying to get somebody to carry his luggage.

Stress leave? Typical Conservative corruption...they are trying to save his vote for later while disassociating themselves with him, If they don't have the balls to fire him after all of this, he must have something on them.

 

[The Philosopher]

Taping someone is not corrupt, that is not what corruption is. Corruption is lying for your own gain. It is yet to be indefinitely proven whether A) the tapes are altered or edited and B) whether anyone is guilty.

BECAUSE, the Liberals did make *nudge nudge* offers it means they are corrupt indefinitely. You're trying to draw straws on this one.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant Grewal

Taping someone is not corrupt, that is not what corruption is. Corruption is lying for your own gain. It is yet to be indefinitely proven whether A) the tapes are altered or edited and B) whether anyone is guilty.

BECAUSE, the Liberals did make *nudge nudge* offers it means they are corrupt indefinitely. You're trying to draw straws on this one.

As I understand it, the RCMP have the original tapes, which are alleged to be unaltered. The tapes, or Cd's or whatever, that are alleged to be altered are copies of the originals, again as I understand it. If the RCMP have the originals, perhaps everyone should take a breath and wait for their report? I don't think anyone has said the copies are not altered.

And the Philosopher is right, offers were made, and the Liberal record of mass corruption continues unabated. No longer can Martin say with any legitimacy that he has not been involved in corrupt activities.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

But they never bought Grewal. They wouldn't give him any guarantees. That, my friend, is on the tapes. Vague talk and hints of something to come, but no real offers.

Stronach never showed herself to be corrupt at all. She was a top member of the CPC so any negotiation to cross the floor would necessarily have her in a prominent position in the Liberals. She clearly wasn't getting her agenda (a well-spoken public agenda) addressed in the CPC, so she went where she could get it addressed.

Brison, who you despise so much, worked first as a secretary, then moved into cabinet, as befitted his former position.

So there it is. Nobody seriously expects prominent MPS to start out as backbenchers when they cross the floor. The back-bencher who wanted to cross the floor never got the offer he was seeking. He is the one who was seeking an offer for his wife that cannot be argued not to be corrupt though. An appointed position, especially one as important as Ambassador to the UN, is not the same as a cabinet spot.

Spinning Wheel, Spinning round, let the spinning wheel spin. :evil:

 

[Ten Packs]

Rev, he wasn't "trying to get somebody to carry his luggage". He booked a ticket, went to the passenger lounge, talked someone into taking a PACKAGE on the plane to Ottawa for him (completely illegal since 9/11, for obvious reasons), and then went BACK to the ticket counter and turned in his ticket!

Who IS this whack-job??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[bluealberta]

Rev, he wasn't "trying to get somebody to carry his luggage". He booked a ticket, went to the passenger lounge, talked someone into taking a PACKAGE on the plane to Ottawa for him (completely illegal since 9/11, for obvious reasons), and then went BACK to the ticket counter and turned in his ticket!

Who IS this whack-job??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

EDIT: Personal Attack

 

[bluealberta]

Rev, he wasn't "trying to get somebody to carry his luggage". He booked a ticket, went to the passenger lounge, talked someone into taking a PACKAGE on the plane to Ottawa for him (completely illegal since 9/11, for obvious reasons), and then went BACK to the ticket counter and turned in his ticket!

Who IS this whack-job??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

EDIT: Double Post of Personal Attack

 

[bluealberta]

Rev, he wasn't "trying to get somebody to carry his luggage". He booked a ticket, went to the passenger lounge, talked someone into taking a PACKAGE on the plane to Ottawa for him (completely illegal since 9/11, for obvious reasons), and then went BACK to the ticket counter and turned in his ticket!

Who IS this whack-job??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

EDIT: Triple Post of Personal Attack

 

[Ten Packs]

Triple personal attack.... just like an Albortion.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Rev, he wasn't "trying to get somebody to carry his luggage". He booked a ticket, went to the passenger lounge, talked someone into taking a PACKAGE on the plane to Ottawa for him (completely illegal since 9/11, for obvious reasons), and then went BACK to the ticket counter and turned in his ticket!

I don't know if it was illegal before 9-11, but you didn't do it then either. I used to get on and off airplanes like they were busses and I learned immediately that you carry your own stuff and don't piss off the waitress. I guess Gurmant couldn't even understand something that simple.

Taping someone is not corrupt, that is not what corruption is.

Better ask Nixon's ghost about that, Phil. Seems to me that a quarter of a decade later his secret recordings are still a bigger symbol of his corruption than the actual break-in at the Watergate.

As I understand it, the RCMP have the original tapes, which are alleged to be unaltered.

That's what they said about the recordings they released to the public...that they were complete and unaltered. urned out they were lying.

If the RCMP have the originals, perhaps everyone should take a breath and wait for their report?

Oh, we are. What I'm really waiting for is to see Harper and Norquay dragged off the Hill in plastic handcuffs.

I don't think anyone has said the copies are not altered.

Grewal, Harper, MacKay, and Norquay all gave the definite impression that the tapes being posted on the internet would be whole and unaltered. Instead four hours became an hour and a half and every expert that has listened to them has said that they were altered. Those same four people showed definite reluctance in turning the tapes over as well. Wonder why?

 

[Harris 4 PM]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

Just another issue that the Harper conservatives have boggled since they have taken power. Even when they catch the Liberals cold in sleezy politics they have to screw it up by damaging the goods.

I wonder who edited the tape....

I haven't heard much of the exact issues of this since it was revealed the tapes were edited but you would have to think the main suspect for editing the tape was Grewal himself, especially for how crudely it was apparently done.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

The Conservative story was (and it's likely changed by now) that the tapes (complete and unedited) were in Stephen Harper's office for most of the two weeks. That pretty much means that nothing was done to them without the knowledge of Harper, MacKay, and/or Norquay.

The information the Liberals say they have is that top Conservative aides were there when the tapes were transferred and transcribed, which is most likely where the editing took plake. That would likely be Norquay and one of his minions. Norquay is the top spinner for the Conservatives...he does nothing without Harper knowing about it and vice versa.

If those tapes were altered, and it certainly appears that they were, it goes all the way to the top.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

Just another issue that the Harper conservatives have boggled since they have taken power. Even when they catch the Liberals cold in sleezy politics they have to screw it up by damaging the goods.

I wonder who edited the tape....

I haven't heard much of the exact issues of this since it was revealed the tapes were edited but you would have to think the main suspect for editing the tape was Grewal himself, especially for how crudely it was apparently done.

Yes, you are probably right. Maybe Martin told him to stay in the conservatives and run with this story to hurt the conservatives, they didn't need any more votes after they got Belinda. Hmmmm........... 8) :lol:

 

[Ted]

I do not support any party, and I think it is disgusting that this kind of childish infighting is still going on, when there are important matters that need attention. Mr. Grewal is a scum bag, plain and simple. Say what you like about Mr. Dosanjh, but he is not stupid. I don't believe he would do what Grewal alleges.

Of course the Liberals probably approached MPs from the oppostion. This is what happens in a minority government. I see nothing illegal about that. Sure there is corruption in the Liberal Party, just as there is in the other parties. But I do think it is unethical to tape conversations, and I don't doubt the tapes were doctored, after the conversations did not produce the results they expected. It sounds like an attempt to entrap the liberals and make political hay. It looks like that blew up in Mr. Grewal's face.

Is there anyone out there that is worthy of our votes and our trust? I am fed up with all of them.

 

[Ten Packs]

Is there anyone out there that is worthy of our votes and our trust? I am fed up with all of them.

And with THAT, Ted, regardless of your age or life-experience, I now confer to you the status of "Typical Mature Canadian".... no need to kiss the flag, but you are welcome to dab the corner of your eye with it, if needed.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

It is a truly grewalling experience. ;-)