Conservative Gurmant Grewal

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

Grewal isn't the only idiot in the party, Blue and Harris. Harper's office had the tapes for a long time, so they immediately become suspect. Geoff Norquay knew what Grewal was doing. If the Conservatives listened to the tapes, had them transcribed, and transferred them to disc, why didn't they notice the problems?

Come on. The were playing political games. That's why they didn't want to turn the tapes over in the first place, why they were so reluctant to call for an official investigation.

Oh come on yourself. You don't think Martin and the mob were not playing political games? We can admit that Grewal is an idiot and messed up, but there seems to be no such criticism of Paully and the boys, when that is justified as much or more. It amazes me that when one conservative makes a stupid mistake, it is in the news forever, but when a Liberal does, it's lucky to make the local news, let alone the national news. Think Hedy Fry, think Volpe, think Sheila Copps, hell, I could go on and on.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Oh come on yourself. You don't think Martin and the mob were not playing political games?

When have I ever said that? I haven't. In fact in the case of Grewalgate I've pointed out more than once that both the Liberals and Conservatives were reluctant to see a proper investigation.

 

[bluealberta]

Oh come on yourself. You don't think Martin and the mob were not playing political games?

When have I ever said that? I haven't. In fact in the case of Grewalgate I've pointed out more than once that both the Liberals and Conservatives were reluctant to see a proper investigation.

I may have missed that, but you do take great pleasure in going after the conservatives and tend to be more forgiving for the libs. And before you say I'm light on the conservatives, I have said that Grewal is an idiot, I have said the Ralph made mistakes, I have said the Ralph's time is up and somebody new is required, and I have said that some of Mulroneys cabinet ministers were wrong. I think that about covers it, but I am sure you will let me know if there is anything else.

Just try and be a little more balanced in your criticism, if you don't mind.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

See, Blue...you after the Liberals in far to unbalanced a manner. That is especially true since, if you look at their legislation since they came to power, they are closer to the Conservatives than the NDP on everything but social programs.

Where they tend to differ the most from the Conservatives is on the parts of the social agenda that are religiously based.

Am I hard on the Conservatives? You bet. They haven't got a single policy that would be a positive step forward for Canada, not even a little baby step. They are way too close to the Bush administration and have far to little respect for average Canadians.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

See, Blue...you after the Liberals in far to unbalanced a manner. That is especially true since, if you look at their legislation since they came to power, they are closer to the Conservatives than the NDP on everything but social programs.

Where they tend to differ the most from the Conservatives is on the parts of the social agenda that are religiously based.

Am I hard on the Conservatives? You bet. They haven't got a single policy that would be a positive step forward for Canada, not even a little baby step. They are way too close to the Bush administration and have far to little respect for average Canadians.

You see, there is another example of you expressing your opinion as fact. Let's face it, anyone who has any kind of rapport with GWB is too close, in your opinion. There is no way to debate your last statement, because it is your opinion, not a fact. You have the right to your opinion, but don't be so presumptious as to think that your opinion is automatically a fact.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

You want me to what, give examples? Conservatives sent delegates to the Republican convention. That's a fact. When Arar first got deported, Harper criticized the Liberals for not deporting him sooner. That's a fact. Harper said he would have sent troops to Iraq. That's a fact. harper sent a letter to US papers apologizing because we didn't go to Iraq. That's a fact. Harper would have joined BMD. That's a fact.

Everything Harper proposes is to bring us more into line with the US.

 

[no1important]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

Why would I vote for a party that has a person (Grewal) who "advised" the late Samuel Doe from Liberia?

So basically Grewal could and should be considered a war criminal by association.


There in black and white, under the heading “Community Involvement,” Grewal wrote: "Recommended to and then helped the president of Liberia (Doe) to launch Green Revolution in the country." here is the link if anyone forgot.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

You want me to what, give examples? Conservatives sent delegates to the Republican convention. That's a fact. When Arar first got deported, Harper criticized the Liberals for not deporting him sooner. That's a fact. Harper said he would have sent troops to Iraq. That's a fact. harper sent a letter to US papers apologizing because we didn't go to Iraq. That's a fact. Harper would have joined BMD. That's a fact.

Everything Harper proposes is to bring us more into line with the US.

I have never disputed he supports the US far more than any other party, a position I support. Insulting and bad mouthing them has got as a long way, hasn't it.

To be balanced, the libs sent delegates to the democratic convention. I believe Harpers letter was more to the point that we did not support the US, not so much about sending troops. I support BMD, get protection and input for not cost, for something that will be going ahead with our without us. Pretty hard concept to argue with. I don't know enough about the Arar case to comment, so I won't.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

Why would I vote for a party that has a person (Grewal) who "advised" the late Samuel Doe from Liberia?

So basically Grewal could and should be considered a war criminal by association.


There in black and white, under the heading “Community Involvement,” Grewal wrote: "Recommended to and then helped the president of Liberia (Doe) to launch Green Revolution in the country." here is the link if anyone forgot.

Don't then. I could never support a party that panders to Castro either, so I don't. I could never support a party whose leader supported the soviet system more than democracy, so I didn't.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

See, I would have expected that they at least read his resume before giving him a chance to run. Associating with war criminals is a pretty suspect thing for a politician to do.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

See, I would have expected that they at least read his resume before giving him a chance to run. Associating with war criminals is a pretty suspect thing for a politician to do.

Just an example of the inclusiveness of the CPC :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Just an example of the inclusiveness of the CPC

More like incompetence.

I have never disputed he supports the US far more than any other party, a position I support. Insulting and bad mouthing them has got as a long way, hasn't it.

It hasn't hurt.

To be balanced, the libs sent delegates to the democratic convention.

And I bitched about that too. And about Chretien's nephew saying that he favoured Gore.

I believe Harpers letter was more to the point that we did not support the US, not so much about sending troops.

It was an apology for Canada not joining the illegal invasion of Iraq.

I support BMD, get protection and input for not cost, for something that will be going ahead with our without us.

There is no such thing as a free lunch, Blue.

I don't know enough about the Arar case to comment, so I won't.

The US deported him to Syria to be tortured.

 

[bluealberta]

Just an example of the inclusiveness of the CPC

More like incompetence.

Perhaps, but the the libs have Martin et al, so the conservatives are not alone.

I have never disputed he supports the US far more than any other party, a position I support. Insulting and bad mouthing them has got as a long way, hasn't it.

It hasn't hurt.

See: BSE and Softwood Lumber, for two examples of where it has hurt.

To be balanced, the libs sent delegates to the democratic convention.

And I bitched about that too. And about Chretien's nephew saying that he favoured Gore.

Fair enough. Just wanted to make sure that both sides of the argument were made.

I believe Harpers letter was more to the point that we did not support the US, not so much about sending troops.

It was an apology for Canada not joining the illegal invasion of Iraq.

I don't support the premise of an illegal war, simply because the UN did not "authorize" it. The UN has too many special interest countries of its own to be a really effective body anyway.

I support BMD, get protection and input for not cost, for something that will be going ahead with our without us.

There is no such thing as a free lunch, Blue.

The point is that it will be going ahead anway, and if we supported it we would have had some input. We have none now, with no chance of any.

I don't know enough about the Arar case to comment, so I won't.

The US deported him to Syria to be tortured.

Okay, like I said, I don't know enough to comment on this issue.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Perhaps, but the the libs have Martin et al, so the conservatives are not alone.

And that makes the Conservatives better how?

See: BSE and Softwood Lumber, for two examples of where it has hurt.

Softwood lumber started under the Clinton administration, when we had good relations with the US. The big setback under the Bushites came when the lumber lobby, a major contributor to the Bush campaign, decided they wanted an illegal duty put in place. It had nothing to do with our stance on Iraq at all.

BSE is much the same story. The border closure was a standard procedure. Getting it reopened has been hampered mostly by the ranchers at RCALF, another big contributor to the Republican cause.

I don't support the premise of an illegal war, simply because the UN did not "authorize" it. The UN has too many special interest countries of its own to be a really effective body anyway.

The US was instrumental in writing the laws that made the war illegal. It doesn't matter how you feel about the UN.

The point is that it will be going ahead anway, and if we supported it we would have had some input. We have none now, with no chance of any.

We never would have had any input anyway. If we had supported it, we would have lost credibility on the world stage because it contradicts our stance on nuclear disarmament and weapons in space. We would have gained nothing.

Okay, like I said, I don't know enough to comment on this issue.

You should learn...plenty to go after the Liberals on there. It's a real issue, not this endless complaining about corruption and how everybody is being mean to Alberta.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

See: BSE and Softwood Lumber, for two examples of where it has hurt.

Weren't you telling us all last night now Klein has been making trips to the States to further trade relations? Why has he not got this mess sorted out yet for the Alberta cattle ranchers?

 

[bluealberta]

See: BSE and Softwood Lumber, for two examples of where it has hurt.

Weren't you telling us all last night now Klein has been making trips to the States to further trade relations? Why has he not got this mess sorted out yet for the Alberta cattle ranchers?

Because there is a court case, which as of today, several groups have now been given status in to testify. The libs have done nothing to try and resolve this, focusing instead of our extremely important social issues, like SSM, legalizing pot, legalizing prostitution, daycare that even the maritimes don't want, and, oh yeah, a little thing like gomery. If the smucks in the liberals had not insulted the hell out of the US, then maybe they would have been a little more inclined to get this resolved sooner.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

Actually, the government of Canada sought, and was refused, intervenor status. They have been in constant talks and negotiations with the US government and, if you remember, even had a date to get the border reopened. Of course the good old boys at RCALF just bought themselves a judge and put a stop to that.

It's good to see that you are finally recognizing the importance of social policy though, Blue. You are right, SSM, legalizing pot, legalizing prostitution, and daycare are all very important.

 

[bluealberta]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/13179266@N00/sets/426015/

Transcripts with deleted audio parts highligted.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

Actually, the government of Canada sought, and was refused, intervenor status. They have been in constant talks and negotiations with the US government and, if you remember, even had a date to get the border reopened. Of course the good old boys at RCALF just bought themselves a judge and put a stop to that.

It's good to see that you are finally recognizing the importance of social policy though, Blue. You are right, SSM, legalizing pot, legalizing prostitution, and daycare are all very important.

You know what is really funny is the Barbie Belinda, on behalf of the conservatives, got intervenor status. I wonder who will have it now?

Yup, those are sure the most pressing issues in the country, thats for sure. Especially for those with below average intelligence. For those of us with average and above average intelligence, they are far from priority issues.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Yup, those are sure the most pressing issues in the country, thats for sure. Especially for those with below average intelligence. For those of us with average and above average intelligence, they are far from priority issues.

Don't bitch about about other people's intelligence....you are the one who thinks a government can only deal with one issue at a time, after all. Each of those issues are important to a variety of people for a variety of reasons.

Nice transcripts by the way...barely readable, but wtf? Why were they cut? Why should we trust these transcripts? Why are the Cons playing games?