Conservative Gurmant Grewal

[no1important]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

What is questionable is the integrity of Gurmant Grewal. Bottom line. In the local rag no letters supporting him and even his wife, so those two seats will be lost if they even get nominated. After all Gurmant did not win until the last few boxes were counted. I see the NDP or even Libs winning his riding.

I see even his immigration to Canada is questionable. This guy is really weird or nutty.

'Stressed' MP faces new claim

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

What is questionable is the integrity of Gurmant Grewal. Bottom line. In the local rag no letters supporting him and even his wife, so those two seats will be lost if they even get nominated. After all Gurmant did not win until the last few boxes were counted. I see the NDP or even Libs winning his riding.

I see even his immigration to Canada is questionable. This guy is really weird or nutty.

'Stressed' MP faces new claim

I see a report out today that says that the tapes were clean and unaltered.

However, the real point in all this is that the libs, with what appears to be full knowledge of Martin, were offering some sort of inducement for Grewal and his wife. The lines to read between are not that big. This has the opportunity to be a huge scandal if it is proven that Martin, his COS and the health minister all were involved in trying to get someone to switch for a reward of some type. This may be even bigger than ADSCAM, if that is possible.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

I see a report out today that says that the tapes were clean and unaltered.

However, the real point in all this is that the libs, with what appears to be full knowledge of Martin, were offering some sort of inducement for Grewal and his wife. The lines to read between are not that big. This has the opportunity to be a huge scandal if it is proven that Martin, his COS and the health minister all were involved in trying to get someone to switch for a reward of some type. This may be even bigger than ADSCAM, if that is possible.

Link Please...

...and again you are passing judgement before all the facts are in...I hate it when you guys do that... :x

I'll bet most Conservatives suffer from premature ejaculation too...

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

I heard the report about the tapes. It was from an analyst that the Conservatives had hired. He made a point of saying that the MP3s released to the public had been significantly altered. That's their own guy.

And how was he analyzing the originals if the RCMP have them?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

And how was he analyzing the originals if the RCMP have them?

Boo Ya...

 

[Ted]

I heard Chuck Cadman today on CKNW and he confirmed that the Conservatives approached him and promised him they would not run a candidate against him and they would give his next campaign funds if he voted with the Conservatives. The Liberals did not approach him at all.

Now if as some of you suggest - it was wrong for the Liberals to make offers to Grewal, then why is there not the same outrage over the offers made to Cadman?

In any case, as Cadman said today, this is the nature of politics, especially in a minority government. Deals and offers are made. When asked if he thought taping conversations is ethical, he said that it betrays the trust and is not something he thinks is right. I agree 100%.

The fact that Cadman was not approached by the Liberals makes Grewal's claim that he was approached even less credible. The Liberals know Cadman to be a man of integrity, and Grewal as a loose cannon. Now if you were to approach one of the two, and you were interested in keeping it secret, which one would YOU choose?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

The Ethics Commissioner and RCMP should be looking into Cadman's story too. The Conservatives basically offered him money to vote with them. That is vote-buying, attempted bribery. There is no doubt about it.

We need an investigation into that as well.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

The Ethics Commissioner and RCMP should be looking into Cadman's story too. The Conservatives basically offered him money to vote with them. That is vote-buying, attempted bribery. There is no doubt about it.

We need an investigation into that as well.

They should all be investigated, including the NDP who were offered and accepted a bribe of $4.6 billion, and any and all should be thrown out of office.

Come to think of it, that would probably mean a whole entire set of new candidates for all parties next election. Bring on the inquiry and get all these idiots out, all parties.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

The NDP swung a political deal...a popular one too. They did it in public and the deal itself was really just forcing the Liberals to meet a plank in the Liberal platform. Sure it was a plank they stole from the NDP, but good luck proving intellectual property of campaign promises.

Try again, Blue. Your leadership went to an Independent MP and offered him a bribe.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

They should all be investigated, including the NDP who were offered and accepted a bribe of $4.6 billion, and any and all should be thrown out of office.

Come to think of it, that would probably mean a whole entire set of new candidates for all parties next election. Bring on the inquiry and get all these idiots out, all parties.

Yes blue, please make a valid case of corruption against the NDP party...you can't, because it hasn't happened...yet...

 

[The Philosopher]

http://www.truthinjustice.org/02FPERT.htm - This is the "Liberal expert" who examined copies of the tape.

http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/086656.php - Here is an article on an expert analysis of the tapes made by the same man who said the copies were altered, and another.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

The Conservative's expert did say that the MP3s the Conservatives released had been edited though...which matches what all the other experts, who have not been given access to the originals, have said.


I also still want to know how the Conservatives had somebody indepently analyze the tapes if those tapes are in the hands of the RCMP. Or was somebody fibbing when they said that the evidence had been turned over?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

I also still want to know how the Conservatives had somebody indepently analyze the tapes if those tapes are in the hands of the RCMP. Or was somebody fibbing when they said that the evidence had been turned over?

I would think that would be construed as an obstruction of justice, Rev...

 

[Ted]

I fail to see how the NDP has done anything wrong. And before you label me as a left wing nut, as I have stated before, I support none of the parties. I try to use my critical thinking skills to see things for what they are, without partisan prejudice. I know there is corruption in all parties.

In a minority government, or in coalitions, this is how business is done. In order to pass any legislation, there must be debate and compromises. Otherwise nothing would ever get done. Are you suggesting, blue, that it would be preferrable if everyone just stood their ground, bickering back and forth and nothing got done?

The NDP did not take those billions you mention into their coffers. Geez! But if Chuck Cadman says that the conservatives offered him campaign funding and to not run a candidate against him, then I believe him, as he is one of the few MPs that really does what he is supposed to be doing, and that is REPRESENT HIS CONSTITUENTS, not support a party line at all costs.

The Conservatives, in spite of the Liberal corruption scandal have not capitalized, in fact, they have made things worse for themselves by behaving like children instead of representing the people that elected them and working TOGETHER with the other factions in the best interests of the country. We are seeing that the Conservatives are at least as bad as the Liberals, kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Well said Ted... :thumbleft:

 

[Andygal]

I also fail to see what the NDP did wrong. They forced the Liberals to make some changes in the budget that were highly supported by the public.

<sarcasm>Yes that's right they actually *gasp* commited the *gasp* heinous act of *gasp* representing the public interest. Yes the NDP do need to be drawn and quartered for doing their jobs and comporting themselves in a mature and civilized manner. After all, we cannot have politicians acting in the public interest instead of their own selfish interests. </sarcasm>

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant Grewal

I also fail to see what the NDP did wrong. They forced the Liberals to make some changes in the budget that were highly supported by the public.

<sarcasm>Yes that's right they actually *gasp* commited the *gasp* heinous act of *gasp* representing the public interest. Yes the NDP do need to be drawn and quartered for doing their jobs and comporting themselves in a mature and civilized manner. After all, we cannot have politicians acting in the public interest instead of their own selfish interests. </sarcasm>

If you all like to have a party that finished third in our past the post system running tht country, then why have elections at all?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

They aren't running the country, Blue. Give up the phoney rhetoric already. What they did was to make a deal in order to represent their constituents. That's the way that minority governments work. If your leader had a brain he could have done the same. Fortunately for Canada, Mr. Harper has no thoughts other than gaining power so he force his faith-based hidden agenda on the rest of us.

 

[passpatoo]

It's amusing how, shortly after the last election, Harper and the conservatives (along with the Bloc) were all up in arms about how the Libs. were behaving like they were still in a majority. They wanted thier ideas to be recognized in (I think) the throne speech.

Now when it's the NDP making the deals everyone is crying about "buying votes" and "back room deals". These guys wear thier motivation on thier sleeves.

 

[jimmy123]

How come it's OK when Liberals offer up carrots that they did not promise during the election to the Conservative Party (ie corporate tax cuts) to lure the Conservatives to support a budget, but if Liberals offer enticements to another party (NDP), it's shameful?

If you want to know how the NDP budget amendment could have been avoided, you need look no further than the Conservative leader who, if he had simply stated clearly that he would support the initial Liberal budget, would have avoided the Liberal/NDP deal entirely.