Conservative Gurmant Grewal

[Andygal]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

In my opinion, the whole thing is slimey.

Secretly recording the conversation was slimey.

Plain and simple.

I'm not saying Murphy and Diosonjh didn't do anything wrong. If they made the offers that was wrong.

Hower Grewel has proven himself to be a slimeball of the highest order. I am g;ad the Ethics Commisoner is investigating the matter. And if he DID doctor the tapes, I hope he goes to jail.

I will join others in saying that the NDP stand to gain, and in my opinion, should gain a great deal from this. Since both the Liberals and the Conservatives have proven themseves to be, for lack of a better word, scum, the NDP are the only other real choice.



And as far accusing the Liberal and the NDP of "climbing into bed with the Bloc", I think perhaps you do not get hte point BA.The bill they were tryingto pass was uneccessary.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

In my opinion, the whole thing is slimey.

Secretly recording the conversation was slimey.

Plain and simple.

I'm not saying Murphy and Diosonjh didn't do anything wrong. If they made the offers that was wrong.

Hower Grewel has proven himself to be a slimeball of the highest order. I am g;ad the Ethics Commisoner is investigating the matter. And if he DID doctor the tapes, I hope he goes to jail.

I will join others in saying that the NDP stand to gain, and in my opinion, should gain a great deal from this. Since both the Liberals and the Conservatives have proven themseves to be, for lack of a better word, scum, the NDP are the only other real choice.



And as far accusing the Liberal and the NDP of "climbing into bed with the Bloc", I think perhaps you do not get hte point BA.The bill they were tryingto pass was uneccessary.

Okay, let's not have the truth come out. The only one who has sat through every day of this is Justice Gomery, but, hey, let's not let him name names, because it may offend somebody who was involved and may be guilty. You don't want the truth? What a joke that is. Anyone with any kind of logic knows the Libs were up to their ears in this mess, but if Gomery cannot name names, then gee, everything is okay. Anyone who believes this must also be looking forward to the return of Elvis. Barnum was right after all.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

See Blue. See Blue spin. Spin Blue, spin.


Gomery has every right to name names. That is covered in the thread you started. You are doing your best to stray away from the fact that one of your MPs, with the knowledge of higher-ups in your party, secretly recorded conversations. The tapes he made appear to have been altered. It is likely that senior members of your party were involved in any alterations.

So let's not get too far away from the fact that your party is looking as corrupt as the Liberals, but with a large dish of incompetence on the side.

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

See Blue. See Blue spin. Spin Blue, spin.


Gomery has every right to name names. That is covered in the thread you started. You are doing your best to stray away from the fact that one of your MPs, with the knowledge of higher-ups in your party, secretly recorded conversations. The tapes he made appear to have been altered. It is likely that senior members of your party were involved in any alterations.

So let's not get too far away from the fact that your party is looking as corrupt as the Liberals, but with a large dish of incompetence on the side.

Keep your eye on the ball Rev. What matters is that the PM, his chief of staff, & the health minister conspired to break the spirit of the law, if not the letter. If Grewal or the Conservative party played dirty to get the tapes - who cares!!?? The tapes speak for themselves. They should all resign immediately. Typical Liberal scumbags.

 

[Reverend Blair]

What you are missing, MMMikey, is that if you are secretly recording conversations and then doctoring the tapes, then you have shown shown yourself to be as untrustworthy and corrupt as the Liberals. No excuses. I don't put up with corrupt cops, and neither should you.

You could have called the cops...hopefully not a corrupt one. You chose not to. The Conservatives are as corrupt as the Liberals. You've shown that now. Thanks.

 

[MMMike]

That is like castigating "Deep Throat" for breaching secrecy while ignoring the deeper scandal. Whatever helps you sleep at night Rev.

 

[Northboy]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant Grewal

That is like castigating "Deep Throat" for breaching secrecy while ignoring the deeper scandal. Whatever helps you sleep at night Rev.

"Deep Throat" oh yeah I remember the movie.....

Wasn't that a scandal from another country?? Are we importing scandals now?? Scandal politics won't work in Canada... Mr. Harper needs a platform--- maybe outsourcing immigration or national standards for surveillance??

 

[Reverend Blair]

"Deep Throat" oh yeah I remember the movie.....

Wasn't that a scandal from another country?? Are we importing scandals now?? Scandal politics won't work in Canada... Mr. Harper needs a platform--- maybe outsourcing immigration or national standards for surveillance??

They're just grabbing any straw they can on this one Northboy. They've been caught and they really don't like it. The worst part about the tapes being tampered with is that now those tapes cannot be trusted for any charges laid against the Liberals. If the CPC would have done things properly and gone to the RCMP in the first place, they would have had a case. As things stand right now, the only criminal charges likely to be laid are against Conservatives.

 

[passpatoo]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant Grewal

That is like castigating "Deep Throat" for breaching secrecy while ignoring the deeper scandal. Whatever helps you sleep at night Rev.

It's not like "castigating Deep Throat" at all. Insofar as I know, Deep Throat never doctored the information he supplied to Woodrow and Bernstien.

It is starting to look as if Grewal has done just this.

 

[bluealberta]

What you are missing, MMMikey, is that if you are secretly recording conversations and then doctoring the tapes, then you have shown shown yourself to be as untrustworthy and corrupt as the Liberals. No excuses. I don't put up with corrupt cops, and neither should you.

You could have called the cops...hopefully not a corrupt one. You chose not to. The Conservatives are as corrupt as the Liberals. You've shown that now. Thanks.

I think what is really missing is that if Grewal is telling the truth, he felt he had to tape the conversation because the libs always deny anything that has no proof (Hmm, a proof is a proof...forget it). The other thing that really is not in doubt, no matter how anyone wants to spin it is that the PM, health minister, and Chief of Staff were all involved. Listen to Stronach talking after he switch, especially the CBC interview, and then listen to Murphy on the tape. The words and language are identical, like they were reading from a script.

Given the libs record and multiple scandals, there is no reason to believe anything they say about anything.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

Your pushing of the issue of the language used is ridiculous, Blue. It's like saying that all farmers have secret meetings because they use similar terminology.

Your constant pointing out of the likelihood of Liberal guilt is silly...nobody here is defending them. Your evidence is no good though...it won't stand up in court.

Grewal doesn't have a good record of telling the truth. He has been caught in lies several times in his short career. My favourite is his lie about helping Liberian despots.

 

[RedFred]

Oh come on Blue Alberta. Everything the Liberals say is the truth. Everything they do is for the good of mankind. Anybody with an opposing viewpoint is an extremist. Separation in Quebec does not flourish under Liberal governments. If Liberals steal money so what. If Liberals ignore up the Canadian Constitution, deny it and you will feel better. Just send your kids to a government approved day care so you have the time to wait in line for health care, send in your taxes and shut up.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

Nobody here said anything like that, Fred.

 

[RedFred]

Yet thats what you defend REV

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

Not at all. You can't rid of corruption while playing cheap political games and being corrupt yourselves though.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

Not at all. You can't rid of corruption while playing cheap political games and being corrupt yourselves though.

Given that the CPC party has never held office YET, there can be no corruption. I note with interest a news report today now Martin is confirming he authorized Murphy and the minister of health to have discussions with Grewal. That would lead one to believe that offers were made, as confirmed by the tapes.

And Rev, like I have said, if you want to beat the pigs, sometimes it is necessary to get dirty in the sty with them. And the Libs have a huge, dirty pigsty.

Taking the high road didn't work, Preston found that out.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Conservative Gurmant

Secretly taping conversations, legal or not, is corrupt.

Tampering with evidence is corrupt.

Entrapment is corrupt.

Offering to sell your vote is corrupt.

Martin has been very open about being willing to talk to any opposition MP who wants to cross the floor, Blue. He made a public statement about it just after the hostile takeover of the PCs by the Alliance. Politicians cross the floor all of the time. A better position in the party they join is sometimes given. Would you change bosses without at least the prospect of advancement?

Trying to buy a non-government gig for your spouse is a whole other deal though. It was Grewal who brought that up. The Liberals didn't say yes to it either.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Conservative Gurmant

Secretly taping conversations, legal or not, is corrupt.

Not when you need it for proof.

Tampering with evidence is corrupt.

The missing parts change no part of the message or the intent of the words and conversations. To say otherwise is a lie.

Entrapment is corrupt.

Covering you ass isn't.

Offering to sell your vote is corrupt.

So Belinda, Kilgour, Brison, K. Martin are all corrupt. Thanks for the confirmation, but then I knew it all along.

Martin has been very open about being willing to talk to any opposition MP who wants to cross the floor, Blue. He made a public statement about it just after the hostile takeover of the PCs by the Alliance. Politicians cross the floor all of the time. A better position in the party they join is sometimes given. Would you change bosses without at least the prospect of advancement?

I wouldn't be unethical enough to walk out on my boss without at least discussing things with him/her. You can spin it however you want, Belinda is corrupt, Scotty boy is corrupt, and they both joined the corrupt liberals. Good fit for all, isnt it, all the pigs together in the same sty.

Trying to buy a non-government gig for your spouse is a whole other deal though. It was Grewal who brought that up. The Liberals didn't say yes to it either.

Time will tell, assuming we get an unbiased review. Maybe the RCMP has learned how to review things since Vancouver and Suharto and pepper spray. We hope so.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Not when you need it for proof.

No, secretly taping conversations is corrupt.

The missing parts change no part of the message or the intent of the words and conversations. To say otherwise is a lie.

No, to pretend that context and order don't matter is a lie.

Covering you ass isn't.

Who was he covering his ass from? Either he went looking for favours, didn't like the answers, and stayed where he was or he was trying to illegally entrap somebody, didn't like the answers, so he (with help from the party heads) doctored the tape.

So Belinda, Kilgour, Brison, K. Martin are all corrupt. Thanks for the confirmation, but then I knew it all along.

You have no proof that they sold their votes. We can argue whether changing bosses for a better position where you can advance your constituents' views is corrupt or not, but Grewal was trying to get a Senate seat or UN ambassadorship for his wife.

I wouldn't be unethical enough to walk out on my boss without at least discussing things with him/her.

Lots of people do. It isn't usually a matter of their ethics either, but a lack of ethics on the part of their boss. Usually it's because the boss had made promises he didn't keep.

 

[bluealberta]

Not when you need it for proof.

No, secretly taping conversations is corrupt.

The missing parts change no part of the message or the intent of the words and conversations. To say otherwise is a lie.

No, to pretend that context and order don't matter is a lie.

Covering you ass isn't.

Who was he covering his ass from? Either he went looking for favours, didn't like the answers, and stayed where he was or he was trying to illegally entrap somebody, didn't like the answers, so he (with help from the party heads) doctored the tape.

So Belinda, Kilgour, Brison, K. Martin are all corrupt. Thanks for the confirmation, but then I knew it all along.

You have no proof that they sold their votes. We can argue whether changing bosses for a better position where you can advance your constituents' views is corrupt or not, but Grewal was trying to get a Senate seat or UN ambassadorship for his wife.

I wouldn't be unethical enough to walk out on my boss without at least discussing things with him/her.

Lots of people do. It isn't usually a matter of their ethics either, but a lack of ethics on the part of their boss. Usually it's because the boss had made promises he didn't keep.

Or it could be because the boss might think you can benefit his business better working for someone else.

Man, you gotta be be getting dizzy from all those turns and spins. Given the Liberals "honesty" record, covering your ass in anything you do for them would be prudent. And if you really don't think that all of a sudden Scotty Boy and Barbie Belinda were not bought with cabinet positions, then your picture must be below the word "naive" in the dictionary....let me look.....yup, there it is, a Rev. Even you can't believe that spin it's so outrageous!