Conservative Canada Apology To The World

[sanctus]

Indeed Sanctus. In my hometown, there were two mounties who tried to be married in a United Church, though the members of the church spoke out against it, so the mounties went to a United Church in a neighbouring community.

They were called the Brokeback Mounties in the local paper

That's funny. I'm surprised that the one community was against it.

Protestants seem more loosely structured in this regard than the Church. Seems individual "parishes" have some sense of autonomy from the parent body. It is a style of organization vastly different from that of the Church. Individual parishes do NOT have the same leeway as it seems is common in protestant denominations.

 

[L Gilbert]

Originally Posted by westmanguy
He speaks for 85% of the population

85% who believe in a religion.

Got any facts to support your 85% claim? And 85% still isn't all of Canada's population anyway.

Still waiting to see if West can back up his talk.

 

[Tonington]

Probably the very nature of the Protestant faith ensures there will be less cohesion between the parishes.

 

[sanctus]

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Still waiting to see if West can back up his talk.

Personally, if 85% of this country actually were Christians,this would not even be an issue, would it

 

[L Gilbert]

Good point, CG.

 

[westmanguy]

I know that... I have a United Church in my town.

Why do they even call themselves a church... just a place to feel good 1 day a week , and your an a-hole the rest of the week.

And they cherry-pick the bible for what they want to believe and what they ignore.

Heck the United Church in my town has a gay priest who was booted, and their new priest doesn`t believe in a Hell...

Worst church EVER.

Religion in Canada:
2001 census

Catholic - 12,936,905
Protestant - 8,654,850
Christian (not included elsewhere) - 780,450
Muslim - 579,640
Christian Orthodox - 479,620
Jewish - 329,995
Buddhist - 300,345
Hindu - 297,200
Sikh - 278,410
Other Religions - 63,975
Eastern Religions - 37,550

Total amount of religious people in Canada - 24, 738 940

Population in Canada in 2001 - 30,007,094 (wikipedia: Canada 2001 Census)

83% of population is religious

Damn close figure.

 

[snfu73]

Grant Hill former MP is keeping with Conservative party tradition and apologizing to the world for Canada’s decision to legalize same sex marriage.

An Apology to the World

To the world's leaders and people,
We, the people of Canada who support marriage solely as the union of a man and a woman, apologize to the people of the world for harm done through Canada's legalization of homosexual marriage.
We are grieved and troubled as we consider the impact this is having in weakening the fundamental institution of marriage in countries and cultures around the world. We understand that because Canada does not impose citizenship or residency requirements in order for same-sex individuals to be "married" here, couples are coming to Canada to seek legal sanction for their homosexual relationships with the intent of returning to their own countries to challenge those countries' legal definition of marriage.
We understand that Canada is seen by people around the world as a country in which public policy is developed carefully and judiciously. It would, therefore, be a natural assumption that in legalizing homosexual marriage our government and courts thoroughly considered the implications of this action through proper and extensive study of social sciences and facts. But it is essential that the people of the world understand that this was not the case. Our government and courts only considered adult "rights." Among other things, the impact on children's rights, children's education, parental rights, religious rights, adoption, the economy and family law were never fully considered. Changes were thrust upon us by court actions followed by a vote that did not allow for a free vote of every member of our federal parliament.
Our warning to you, the people of the world, is to learn from our mistakes and avoid repeating them in your own countries.
Forewarned should be forearmed.
To date, the following Canadian groups have endorsed the Apology

• REAL Women of Alberta
• British Columbia Parents and Teachers for Life
• Sault Ste. Marie - CFAC
• REAL Women of Canada
• United Families Canada
• United Mothers, Fathers & Friends
• Christian Heritage Party of Canada
• Third Watch Ministries
• Father's Resting Place
• Dawn Stefanowicz - Author
• MY Canada Association
• Canada Family Action Coalition

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http://www.restoremarriage.ca

What else does the Conservative party want to take away the Bill of Rights?

What the heck? Brutal. Well, I think most folks now how I feel about this. I am VERY proud and happy to know that same sex couples are now being legally recognized in this country, and dissapointed with nations that are still being discriminatory and homophobic. I just don't understand the whole anti same sex arguement. It does not make sense to me. I do not see what is so wrong with it? It's ridiculous. Anyway, I am very proud to live in nation where people like this Grant Hill guy haven't completely hijacked the progress that Canada has rightly made.

 

[westmanguy]

Other stat: 22,851 555 people are either Catholic, Protestant, Christian Orthodox, or Christian (not elsewhere included)

Generally 23 million Canadians believe in the Bible.

Making 76% of Canadians believer in the Bible.

Talk about a strong majority!

But hell we always shut down the majority for the minority anyways!

 

[L Gilbert]

Idiot. You said,

He speaks for 85% of the population

The topic you were referring to is

We, the people of Canada who support marriage solely as the union of a man and a woman, apologize to the people of the world for harm done through Canada's legalization of homosexual marriage.

He does not speak for all of Canada and I really doubt he speaks for 85% of it as you said he does. Show us that 85% of Canadians agree with him.

 

[snfu73]

Other stat: 22,851 555 people are either Catholic, Protestant, Christian Orthodox, or Christian (not elsewhere included)

Generally 23 million Canadians believe in the Bible.

Making 76% of Canadians believer in the Bible.

Talk about a strong majority!

But hell we always shut down the majority for the minority anyways!

Where are you getting your stats from anyway.

So, if the majority wanted slavery....we should bring it back? If the majority felt that women should not be able to work outside the home...we should incorporate that??

 

[snfu73]

Idiot. You said, The topic you were referring to is [/B]
He does not speak for all of Canada and I really doubt he speaks for 85% of it as you said he does. Show us that 85% of Canadians agree with him.

Before the last attempt by harper to ban same sex marriage, support for same sex marriage was somewhere around 66 percent.

 

[westmanguy]

And 2001 is the latest one.

Religion is only on census every 10 years.

 

[sanctus]

Other stat: 22,851 555 people are either Catholic, Protestant, Christian Orthodox, or Christian (not elsewhere included)

Generally 23 million Canadians believe in the Bible.

Making 76% of Canadians believer in the Bible.

Talk about a strong majority!

But hell we always shut down the majority for the minority anyways!

Though they profess membership in this or that religious body, I assure you the majority of this country DOES NOT believe in the Bible. If that were true, this would not even be an issue for us.

 

[L Gilbert]

Other stat: 22,851 555 people are either Catholic, Protestant, Christian Orthodox, or Christian (not elsewhere included)

Generally 23 million Canadians believe in the Bible.

Making 76% of Canadians believer in the Bible.

Who cares if most of the planet is religious? What's that have to do with the topic?

 

[westmanguy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_2001_Census
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo30a.htm

76% of Canada believes in the Bible, just get a calculator out.

 

[Tonington]

So, to simplify, as far as West is concerned:
John believes homosexuality is wrong
Fred goes to church every Sunday, and thinks homosexuality is a sin
Pedro thinks it's nobody's damned business

which Statement is correct?
a) John is religious
b) Pedro is a horrible liberal
c) Fred must vote conservative
d) All of the above are correct
e) Not possible to know

West answers d, when in fact the correct answer is e.

 

[snfu73]

So, why ban same sex marriage? Why not ban the oppressive groups like the catholic church who are against same sex marriage...or those groups mentioned in grant hills letter? In my opinion, they are the ones way off base...pushing a fascist view of morals and ethics based on false assumptions and claims on the rest of the population. Get rid of those groups...ban them!

 

[L Gilbert]

Before the last attempt by harper to ban same sex marriage, support for same sex marriage was somewhere around 66 percent.

Exactly. West spewed that 85% were against and I want to see him back up his spew.

 

[sanctus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_2001_Census
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo30a.htm

76% of Canada believes in the Bible, just get a calculator out.

You're making stuff up. 76% of Canadians claim membership in one of the Christian denominations.

This does not imply either a devoted member or a belief in Biblical teachings one way or the other.

Again, the obvious is logical. If the majority of people in this country were actually believers in the Bible, we would be living in a Christian theocracy and this would not be an issue at all.

 

[L Gilbert]

So, to simplify, as far as West is concerned:
John believes homosexuality is wrong
Fred goes to church every Sunday, and thinks homosexuality is a sin
Pedro thinks it's nobody's damned business

which Statement is correct?
a) John is religious
b) Pedro is a horrible liberal
c) Fred must vote conservative
d) All of the above are correct
e) Not possible to know

West answers d, when in fact the correct answer is e.

lmao. It'll take him a month to figure out what you just said, you know?