Conservative Canada Apology To The World

[westmanguy]

Good for him, and sanctus if you being a religious man continue to back the LPoC, your allowing religion to be pushed further in the ground and secularism be risen up. You don't have to vote for the CPoC, but for a man of God who preaches the Bible, vote for an independent, green, NDP, anything but the LPoC.

Now, here is my problem. Civil unions are fine, or common law relationships. Civil unions and common law offer the exact same priveleges as a marriage. You get all your tax breaks and such.
What extra things do you get from marriage then you would get from a civil union or common law relationship, besides the religious and traditional meaning behind it?

If they are missing some tax benefits, give it to them by all means!

Marriage originates from religion. Religion is was requires marriage for off-spring and sex.

And obviously very few religions endorse homosexuality.

This has been a tradition in our world between 1 man and 1 woman since the beginning of man.

So excuse me if I am not hot to trot to change something that has been an institution forever.

I have no problem with their tax benefits for being a couple, but gays demanding marriage is for the simple fact if you can`t have something you want it, even if it doesn`t offer you that much anyways.

Now I am not against gay adoptions either. I think for adoption the best thing for a family unit is to have 2 married parents. But I would rather see a child with a loving homosexual couple then with no family at all.

But no way, will I ever accept SSM. And I hope when the Conservatives get their majority, their old guard steps in and puts in enough pressure to get the party to put a motion in to reverse it.

And lets not forget, the Liberal party was VERY DIVIDED on this issue, they had a big group of their own vote against their party.

Same with the NDP and Bloc, the MPs were very divided on this by all parties.

And this is the main reason I have strayed away from the LPoC, they get way to involved on social issues.

Abortion
SSM

If they just stayed away from those issues, I could very well be a LPoC supporter, but they have their far-lefties in their pushing in to destroy the religious people`s rights and beliefs in this country.

 

[westmanguy]

Also, my riding represented by Con. MP Merv Tweed, has multiple petitions against this, with thousands of signatures.

My riding was very VERY against this, and alot of churches in my area during all this preached politics and how religion in this world is under indirect attack. You piss of the church and they will pull out all the stops, Paul Martin was kicked out of his church over this issue.

 

[Tonington]

Good for him, and sanctus if you being a religious man continue to back the LPoC, your allowing religion to be pushed further in the ground and secularism be risen up. You don't have to vote for the CPoC, but for a man of God who preaches the Bible, vote for an independent, green, NDP, anything but the LPoC.

Now, here is my problem. Civil unions are fine, or common law relationships. Civil unions and common law offer the exact same priveleges as a marriage. You get all your tax breaks and such.
What extra things do you get from marriage then you would get from a civil union or common law relationship, besides the religious and traditional meaning behind it?

If they are missing some tax benefits, give it to them by all means!

Marriage originates from religion. Religion is was requires marriage for off-spring and sex.

And obviously very few religions endorse homosexuality.

This has been a tradition in our world between 1 man and 1 woman since the beginning of man.

So excuse me if I am not hot to trot to change something that has been an institution forever.

I have no problem with their tax benefits for being a couple, but gays demanding marriage is for the simple fact if you can`t have something you want it, even if it doesn`t offer you that much anyways.

Now I am not against gay adoptions either. I think for adoption the best thing for a family unit is to have 2 married parents. But I would rather see a child with a loving homosexual couple then with no family at all.

But no way, will I ever accept SSM. And I hope when the Conservatives get their majority, their old guard steps in and puts in enough pressure to get the party to put a motion in to reverse it.

And lets not forget, the Liberal party was VERY DIVIDED on this issue, they had a big group of their own vote against their party.

Same with the NDP and Bloc, the MPs were very divided on this by all parties.

And this is the main reason I have strayed away from the LPoC, they get way to involved on social issues.

Abortion
SSM

If they just stayed away from those issues, I could very well be a LPoC supporter, but they have their far-lefties in their pushing in to destroy the religious people`s rights and beliefs in this country.

I'm not even sure which issue to address first West. Perhaps the notion that any religious person must not vote Liberal, and the suggestion that a vote for NDP, Green , or Independant would be favourable, when in fact they take very much the same stance on this issue. There are plenty of religious people who do not vote Conservative, and there is nothing wrong with that. I suspect Sanctus has his reasons, and who are you to say which way a man of God should vote. Should we refer to you as His Holiness?

Gettting back to the topic at hand, religious marriages are actually licensed by the government, even though they are performed by the clergy of the respective creeds. The difference is how the relationships are registered, entered into and how they are dissolved, on top of the obvious decisions regarding the constitutional ramifications of denying any group equal access to the institutions we have in Canada.

Now that said, I fully respect Sanctus' right to perform a religious marriage within the confines and beliefs of his religion and the traditions of The Church. If homosexuals want to be married, they have to understand that there are religious rights too. That doesn't mean they should be denied access to marriage as an institution, only that they go about it through some other institution, ie. not a religious wedding.

Could you define or qualify this: 'the Liberal party was VERY DIVIDED...a big group of their own vote against their party '. Maybe some numbers would help....

How does staying away from issues work for the government. Maybe they ought not to address any issue which is contentious? Like the war in Afghanistan, crime bills, the environment and so on.

 

[TenPenny]

If they are missing some tax benefits, give it to them by all means!
Marriage originates from religion. Religion is was requires marriage for off-spring and sex.

No it doesn't.

 

[westmanguy]

Oh typical TenPenny, make statements and don`t back them up with anything at all.

The first man and first woman were Adam and Eve.

And they created a union between them called marriage, because of religion.

So don`t tell me marriage didn`t originate from marriage.

Typical liberal.

 

[sanctus]

Oh typical TenPenny, make statements and don`t back them up with anything at all.

The first man and first woman were Adam and Eve.

And they created a union between them called marriage, because of religion.

So don`t tell me marriage didn`t originate from marriage.

Typical liberal.

No tenpenny is correct. Marriage does not derive from religion. Religions bless or sanctify the marriage, but they did not, in essence create the institution. Marriages have existed long before the Church. And in fact, even when I do weddings myself it is the government papers we sign during or after the ceremony that brings the marriage legally into being.I often joke that, at weddings, I'm a fancy civil servant with a nice dress on.

Adam and Eve, West, are metaphors for the first people, not actual people who existed. Adam, in Hebrew means "man", so clearly the usage of Adam in Genesis reflects the first MEN and WOMEN, the first people if you will.

 

[westmanguy]

And sanctus, if the bible does not say this, how do we know if it is a metaphor or not.

You need more to go on then just: Adam means man in Hebrew.

 

[Toro]

Liberal Crime Syndicate Apology to the World

Yes, we know we stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the Canadian taxpayers.

We're sorry.






Please vote for us.

 

[sanctus]

Good for him, and sanctus if you being a religious man continue to back the LPoC, your allowing religion to be pushed further in the ground and secularism be risen up. You don't have to vote for the CPoC, but for a man of God who preaches the Bible, vote for an independent, green, NDP, anything but the LPoC.y.

Are we not as other citizens in the country? Can we not vote for the party we feel that, in general, best represents our interests as voters? West, I like bits and pieces of all parties and their platforms. I also disagree with many of their platforms. But as a voter, I select the party that OVER-ALL I feel is the party I would like to represent my riding in Ottawa. did I approve of the Liberal governments move on the same-sex marriage. No, I did not. But that is a single issue and I cannot base my entire political opinion on one or two issues I disagree with them about.

 

[sanctus]

And sanctus, if the bible does not say this, how do we know if it is a metaphor or not.

You need more to go on then just: Adam means man in Hebrew.

We know it's metaphor for several reasons. Most significantly, there are TWO separate and slightly different creation stories in Genesis. Given that, which is correct? Secondly, evolution is a fact. Third, the creation tale in Genesis most people are familiar with follows the theory of evolution. Take away a literal seven day period and think of each "day" as an evolutionary stage and I think you'll be surprised to see how well evolution DOES NOT contradict the Bible. The Bible, my friend, is not a science textbook.

 

[L Gilbert]

Grant Hill former MP is keeping with Conservative party tradition and apologizing to the world for Canada’s decision to legalize same sex marriage.

An Apology to the World

To the world's leaders and people,
We, the people of Canada who support marriage solely as the union of a man and a woman, apologize to the people of the world for harm done through Canada's legalization of homosexual marriage.

I think this dood should speak for himself. He sure as hell doesn't speak for the whole of Canada's population.

 

[sanctus]

Also, my riding represented by Con. MP Merv Tweed, has multiple petitions against this, with thousands of signatures.

My riding was very VERY against this, and alot of churches in my area during all this preached politics and how religion in this world is under indirect attack. You piss of the church and they will pull out all the stops, Paul Martin was kicked out of his church over this issue.

Mr. Martin was not kicked out of the Church. He was denied the Sacraments by some priests. Nobody is ever "kicked out " of the Catholic Church.

 

[Tonington]

I think this dood should speak for himself. He sure as hell doesn't speak for the whole of Canada's population.

Ditto on that.

 

[westmanguy]

He speaks for 85% of the population

85% who believe in a religion.

 

[Tonington]

He speaks for 85% of the population

85% who believe in a religion.

So now all religious people automatically think same sex marriage is wrong? I know more than a couple religious followers who would make you eat your words.

 

[L Gilbert]

He speaks for 85% of the population

85% who believe in a religion.

Got any facts to support your 85% claim? And 85% still isn't all of Canada's population anyway.

 

[L Gilbert]

So now all religious people automatically think same sex marriage is wrong? ..............

Exactly, one does not necessarily lead to the other.

 

[sanctus]

He speaks for 85% of the population

85% who believe in a religion.

In fact, polls suggest a strong and sharp divide in the middle on this one in Canada. I think, though I'm not sure so I'm stabbing at a figure here, but it was something like 55% against, 45% for around the time the legislation was pushed through Parliament.

Not all "churches" support traditional views. The United Church, for example, which is the largest Protestant denomination in this country, has long been a pro-homosexual body, even allowing its' ministry to consist of practicing homosexuals.

 

[sanctus]

So now all religious people automatically think same sex marriage is wrong? I know more than a couple religious followers who would make you eat your words.

so do I;-)

 

[Tonington]

Not all "churches" support traditional views. The United Church, for example, which is the largest Protestant denomination in this country, has long been a pro-homosexual body, even allowing its' ministry to consist of practicing homosexuals.

Indeed Sanctus. In my hometown, there were two mounties who tried to be married in a United Church, though the members of the church spoke out against it, so the mounties went to a United Church in a neighbouring community.

They were called the Brokeback Mounties in the local paper