Congratulation, President Obama!!!

[JLM]

Part of the reason why George W Bush lied or misconstrued the evidence in making his case for the war in Iraq was because of international law, to avoid the technical war crime of engaging in an unauthorized aggressive war against a sovereign member of the United Nations. They made the legal case that they were enforcing UN resolutions the UN was refusing to enforce. Saddam Hussein had two unauthorized aggressive wars under his belt by then, as well as a couple of attempted genocides. Bush's worst crimes were through incompetently handling the post-invasion and allowing the humanitarian crisis that unfolded. But the United States' worst crime in Iraq, I think, is invading it 12 years too late, which was more a failing of the United Nations really.

Oh, that's going to piss off some people I'm sure.



I know you didn't. My question was directed at EagleSmack.



I'm afraid I don't follow you.

Yeah, no doubt Sonny boy Bush had to bear some of the brunt of the transgressions of Dad.

 

[EagleSmack]

I know you didn't. My question was directed at EagleSmack.

I didn't call him that either... I just got here.

I'm afraid I don't follow you.

If folks are calling Obama a war criminal it is sort of a payback mostly to Obama lovers for their absurdity for 8 years. Sometimes it is fun to turn tables on them.

 

[BaalsTears]

Aren't all US presidents war criminals?

Nope. If they act within the law they are not.

Actually, despite his lack of judgment George Bush was not as culpable legally as Barack Obama. Someday Obama will be out of office, won't have his power, and will be traveling overseas. I bet some Spanish or English judge will issue an arrest warrant. Then it will be a trip to the Hague.

Obama's war crimes are based on the lack of legal authority for his drone war in Pakistan. Damned fool.

Btw, he has 88 days before the War Powers Act is triggered over this fool's errand in Libya.

 

[EagleSmack]

Nope. If they act within the law they are not.

Actually, despite his lack of judgment George Bush was not as culpable legally as Barack Obama. Someday Obama will be out of office, won't have his power, and will be traveling overseas. I bet some Spanish or English judge will issue an arrest warrant. Then it will be a trip to the Hague.

Obama's war crimes are based on the lack of legal authority for his drone war in Pakistan. Damned fool.

Btw, he has 88 days before the War Powers Act is triggered over this fool's errand in Libya.

LMAO. Karma

 

[Corduroy]

I didn't call him that either... I just got here.

Oh sorry, I meant BaalsTears. I get you guys confused actually. ;-)

 

[EagleSmack]

Oh sorry, I meant BaalsTears. I get you guys confused actually. ;-)

LOL. He's one of my crew.

 

[BaalsTears]

I'm curious as to why you think Obama is a war criminal. Is it the drone bombings in Pakistan? You could make parallels with that and, say, the bombings of Laos and Cambodia, a war crime orchestrated by another Nobel Peace Prize laureate. But maybe you have something else in mind.

The American Left has used what is called Lawfare against Conservatives. Now it's our turn to use it against a leftist.

This is representative of Conservative legal thought on the subject. There is a whole coterie of conservative lawyers with big plans for Barack Obama. Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: Drone Strikes Put Obama Admin Officials At Risk

Here are some thoughts stirring at the United Nations: BBC News - UN official criticises US over drone attacks

Obama is using drone strikes against unidentified people based on software programs called pattern analysis. No mercy for the damned fool.

Laos and Cambodia? So what? The defendants are dead. Barack Obama is still very much alive and available for ultimate adjudication before an international tribunal. No mercy.

 

[Corduroy]

The American Left has used what is called Lawfare against Conservatives. Now it's our turn to use it against a leftist.

This is representative of Conservative legal thought on the subject. There is a whole coterie of conservative lawyers with big plans for Barack Obama. Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: Drone Strikes Put Obama Admin Officials At Risk

Here are some thoughts stirring at the United Nations: BBC News - UN official criticises US over drone attacks

Obama is using drone strikes against unidentified people based on software programs called pattern analysis. No mercy for the damned fool.

Well there you go. I guessed the drone strikes, so that's an indication that I was already informed about it But accusing Obama of war crimes out of spite isn't the most honest way of doing it. You should actually have to care about the crime.

Laos and Cambodia? So what? The defendants are dead. Barack Obama is still very much alive and available for ultimate adjudication before an international tribunal. No mercy.

Henry Kissinger is still alive.

 

[BaalsTears]

Oh sorry, I meant BaalsTears. I get you guys confused actually. ;-)

I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[EagleSmack]

Well there you go. I guessed the drone strikes, so that's an indication that I was already informed about it But accusing Obama of war crimes out of spite isn't the most honest way of doing it. You should actually have to care about the crime.

Spite can be fun though

Henry Kissinger is still alive.

Can we take Hillary to the Hague too? What about Biden? Remember it was always Bush-Cheney?

Let's contact a Spanish Judge to charge Obama-Biden- and Clinton with war crimes.

 

[BaalsTears]

Well there you go. I guessed the drone strikes, so that's an indication that I was already informed about it But accusing Obama of war crimes out of spite isn't the most honest way of doing it. You should actually have to care about the crime.



Henry Kissinger is still alive.

I know you're well informed.

My motivation is irrelevant as long as I have the facts. I have had this discussion before with others. There is neither international nor American law which explicitly authorizes Obama to kill Pakistani civilians. The UN Resolution and American Authorization explicitly refer only to Afganistan.

Pakistani authorities will not put any authorization in writing. The reason why they refuse is so they can subsequently deny having authorized drone strikes against their own people.

Bush used drone strikes on a very limited basis because he knew he didn't have legal authority. The damned fool Obama has expanded the drone program exponentially. The skies of North and South Waziristan and Baluchistan are buzzing with Predators and Reapers.

Henry Koh the leftist anti-war lawyer is now working at the Obama Justice Dept. and tries to justify the drone war as a form of self-defense. Haha. He can tell it the court that gets hold of Obama.

If you want Henry Kissinger you go get him my friend. He's not on my target list. Only Obama holds that honor.

 

[Corduroy]

Spite can be fun though

Hmm, I'll give you that.

Can we take Hillary to the Hague too? What about Biden? Remember it was always Bush-Cheney?

Let's contact a Spanish Judge to charge Obama-Biden- and Clinton with war crimes.

I don't really think Hillary Clinton is as involved a Secretary of State as Kissinger was. Who knows how responsible she really is other than just being the name on the letterhead. And I don't mean that in order to defend her. I mean it that I really don't like her and think her appointment was obviously part of a campaign deal. She has no business being in charge of such an important portfolio and I would be happy to hear she was just there for show.

I know you're well informed.

My motivation is irrelevant as long as I have the facts. I have had this discussion before with others. There is neither international nor American law which explicitly authorizes Obama to kill Pakistani civilians. The UN Resolution and American Authorization explicitly refer only to Afganistan.

Pakistani authorities will not put any authorization in writing. The reason why they refuse is so they can subsequently deny having authorized drone strikes against their own people.

Bush used drone strikes on a very limited basis because he knew he didn't have legal authority. The damned fool Obama has expanded the drone program exponentially. The skies of North and South Waziristan and Baluchistan are buzzing with Predators and Reapers.

Henry Koh the leftist anti-war lawyer is now working at the Obama Justice Dept. and tries to justify the drone war as a form of self-defense. Haha. He can tell it the court that gets hold of Obama.

If you want Henry Kissinger you go get him my friend. He's not on my target list. Only Obama holds that honor.

Well at least you're admitting that it isn't so much the war crime but person the committing you have a problem with. Consistency of a kind

 

[BaalsTears]

...Well at least you're admitting that it isn't so much the war crime but person the committing you have a problem with. Consistency of a kind

I don't believe any American involvement in the eastern hemisphere is warranted. That's what it means to be a neo-isolationist. Ergo, no drone war by anyone.

What you have missed is that my concern is not with the lives of bearded fanatics. My concern is exclusively with disempowering and discrediting the American left and its figurehead. For me, in your face payback, rubbing salt into the figurative wounds of the American left is an absolute pleasure and a duty. The fact that Obama has actually committed war crimes provides a factual basis to achieve my goal.

 

[Corduroy]

What you have missed is that my concern is not with the lives of bearded fanatics. My concern is exclusively with disempowering and discrediting the American left and its figurehead.

Hmm, pretty sure I made it clear that I didn't miss that.

 

[mentalfloss]

My concern is exclusively with disempowering and discrediting the American left and its figurehead.

You should make that concern exclusively with disempowering and discrediting irrational and morally reprehensible actions, regardless if they come from the right or the left.

 

[ironsides]

Enjoy your vacation Mr. President.
President Obama's decision to send American warplanes into Libya opened the nation's third military theater in the Middle East—and quickly cast the administration onto more battlegrounds at home.
Three days into the first war he's helped to start, Obama finds himself in an increasingly familiar position in relation to the Congress: detached, under fire, and going it largely alone.
American liberals who gravitated to Obama because he was the most plausible anti-war candidate broke sharply with him this weekend for projecting U.S. force into a corner of the world where it's traditionally unwelcome, humanitarian intervention doctrine be damned. Even some congressional Democrats who voted for the Iraq invasion call the Libyan venture "gratuitous" and question Obama's standing. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, on Monday called the U.S. involvement in Libya an "impeachable offense."

Obama taking heat from all sides for Libya action - Yahoo! News

 

[BaalsTears]

You should make that concern exclusively with disempowering and discrediting irrational and morally reprehensible actions, regardless if they come from the right or the left.

The right appropriates leftist ideas that make sense. The left never does that.

 

[ironsides]

Hydrogen Barackside

Grouchy Old Cripple: Hydrogen Barackside

 

[mentalfloss]

The right appropriates leftist ideas that make sense. The left never does that.

I'm sure George W. Obama would disagree.

 

[ironsides]

No matter what they say, Presidents seem to want their own little war attached to their reign. It is some sort of need.