Committee recommends less-homework policy

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One can be warned about this in 5 mins of explination and shouldn't require 12 years of continual BS to fill out after hours. Those companies as mentioned in the above post of mine are ill-equipped for their time management and are not optimized with their time available in the day and that is their fault, not the employee's. If the employee is just slow and lazy then that's a different subject.

12 years of BS? I don't know what it's like now, or what it was like for you in school, but my homework load was pretty light.

But if I had to do the job I am doing now for 8 or more hours a day and then given 3 or 4 more hours of crap to do when I went home, someone would be shot..... but an easier solution would be me flying the hell off and living in the forest somewhere.... My life is the experience LIFE, not work my ass off until I die for someone else. If you feel that is what life is, go for it.... I'll decide for myself. I would much rather make up my own words and lessons to live by, rather then spend my entire life reading and doing what others tell me and dictate to me.... what the hell kind of life is that, seriously?
Must you always take things to the extreme? Working to death? Life is about a lot of things. Your profession is one part of it. Some jobs require tasks to be done, not for the employee to show up for 8 hours a day. If you can't work it out during the regular work hours, well sometimes you have to put in a little more. Like you said, if they don't like it, they can shove off.

That is also why I went to college over university.... I compared the two and for the costs, the time wasted in both and everything.... I got the same level of education in my field for less money, in one year, with full hour days and the availability to go in after hours if need be.... compared to what my cousin went through.... spending a short period of time listening to some professor, doing countless hours of reading and writting, for four years or more..... not to mention there were days in the week where he had no classes (Time which could have been used for more teaching)
Time wasted? Education is never time wasted. You get out what you put in. You can go to classes, and do no other work and still pass. Or you can do extra and learn a little more. The days where you don't have classes are a fine time to read chapters, papers, etc. Or work on assignments and labs.

In the end, it was the hands-on education and experience in college I preferred over listening to someone lecture me and then issue me hours of friggin reading and writting on my own time. If I wanted to read pages and pages of information and have very little class time and interaction with an instructor or professor, I'd google the information and read it own my own, saving myself time and money. But to each their own.
Read it on your own from the internet, or read the supplemental information in your text book. I do both. The lectures aren't just a regurgitation of the material. It's a time for the professor to go over some things in finer detail, and clarify any questions. Then of course there are the office hours, where you can consult with your professor one-on-one.

If something needs to be done because it is behind schedule or something, fine.... heck I spend time afterwards once in a while doing that too. But when a job hands you a bunch of extra crap to do after work in which you should be doing it the next day, I have a problem with that and that is what homework is.
So, you're fine with catching up because it's behind schedule, but not fine when it's something that could be done the next day. So then, what happens when the school year runs out and there is still material to cover?

Which came first? Egg or Chicken? Which has caused our society to be more lazy? Not enough to do, or too much to do to be bothered??
Chicken came first.

Neither. I'd say expectations have caused us to become more lazy.
 

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Speaking of mathimatical problems, besides adding, subtracting, muliplication, devision and some basic measurment study.... wtf is the point of all the other crap you're taught?

Calculus, Pre-Cal? If a boat leaves port at 6:01am at 34kmh to Boston and the water current shifts the angle of the boats direction by 3.245 degrees counter-clockwise.... what is the circumference of the hypotenuse of Pi if the water temprature decreases by X = or < then 24?

WTF? Give me the damn pipe, you smoked yourself retarded! Who gives a rats ass? It'll get there when it gets there.

I hope you don't work for NASA, because your Moon mission will end up to be a Jupiter mission instead... with a bunch of dead astronauts inside LOL.

Having kids of my own who are not in school yet, this thread peaked my interest. In terms of homework, I don't agree that kids should not get any homework at all. They should get at least some. Reason I say this is from past experience when I was at school... some kids fall asleep or don't pay attention in class. Ever heard of the term "In one ear, out the other?" Yep, I was a living example of that. So whatever you missed in class can be reviewed later on in the form of homework. Homework is also supposed to reinforce the concepts taught in class and extend the ideas to new areas that can be applied in the real world. (and no, I did not copy that last phrase somewhere out of a book or the web)

I used to live in a pretty bad area where homework was not really given out... Well, it was but nobody did it. As a result, kids didn't really have anything to do in their after school hours. This is a bad thing because a bunch of teenage male kids hanging around a public park with other groups of male kids from other schools leads to a pissing contest and bad things happen. Where I live now is a walk in the park compared to my childhood but still, every once in a while I read articles about kids breaking windows at the a local school or groups of kids beating up other kids or elderly people. WTF? And we want these kids to have the ability to make critical decisions on their own?

What I've learned from friends, neighbors and coworkers with much older kids than mine, is the rule that you must always keep your kids busy with something to do. Be it sports, homework, hobbies, whatever. As long as their busy and they like what their doing. As soon as you let them loose doing whatever they want whenever they want it is a recipe for disaster. That's the advice I'm going with... unless you have some better ones?

And as for the discussion on 8 hours work and having to do extra after work, well, I'm guessing you don't have a job with any form of responsibility yet.

To the poster that pointed out the correlation between obesity and homework, think again. Take a tour of Japan and China and let me know how many obese Asian kids there are in their schools... you will probably notice what I've noticed, very little obese anything.... and they do way more homework than the kids over here. Do you think it could be a result of what they eat?
 
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To the poster that pointed out the correlation between obesity and homework, think again. Take a tour of Japan and China and let me know how many obese Asian kids there are in their schools... you will probably notice what I've noticed, very little obese anything.... and they do way more homework than the kids over here. Do you think it could be a result of what they eat?

My kids don't live in any of the Asian countries. My kids live here, eat here. I never said kids in any other country are obese, but HERE they're pushing for more physical activity in our children (and rightly so), and crying about an obesity epidemic. So, when my kids are left with a mere one hour to ride bikes or bounce on the trampoline, and they are only 6 and 8 years old, how much time will they be left with for physical activity once they are older and get even more homework? They'll hit their teens and have no time for extra curricular sports, let alone a walk around the block at the rate they're going.
 

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I know, but what I'm saying is that how can your kids get fat from doing homework when kids in Asia do *more* homework and are thin. I don't know maybe it's the diet (the fries and hamburger) or maybe because they promote physical education which schools here seem to cut back on.
 

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I know, but what I'm saying is that how can your kids get fat from doing homework when kids in Asia do *more* homework and are thin. I don't know maybe it's the diet (the fries and hamburger) or maybe because they promote physical education which schools here seem to cut back on.

You're trying to argue that homework isn't cutting into my kids' exercise time based on the fact that Asian kids are skinny. Stop and think about that. The size of Asian kids has nothing to do with the schedules of Albertan children.
 

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okay, let's drop the asian thing for a minute. I've done homework all my life and I'm not fat... my sisters have done way more homework than I have and they're not fat. As a matter of fact, I'm looking around my office right now and I'm pretty sure they've done way more homework than I have (seeing as how they are all engineers), and they are not fat. So let's face it, your kids got problems and converting the 2 hour homework time into play time isn't going to solve it.
 

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okay, let's drop the asian thing for a minute. I've done homework all my life and I'm not fat... my sisters have done way more homework than I have and they're not fat. As a matter of fact, I'm looking around my office right now and I'm pretty sure they've done way more homework than I have (seeing as how they are all engineers), and they are not fat. So let's face it, your kids got problems and converting the 2 hour homework time into play time isn't going to solve it.

? What do you mean my kids have problems? I think you need to go re-read.
 

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Homework is the beginning of conditioning where the little ones drag the machine back to the home and the system starts to eat into the life of the child and he/she becomes a budding consumer. If you find something you love to do it can become your work, your work many times is what you live for and love to do, that's not the same as a job. Homework as a rule should not be made a job for children, thier developement is actually impeded by it. IMO For me homework was an ordeal, I wanted to run and play outside.
 

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I know, but what I'm saying is that how can your kids get fat from doing homework when kids in Asia do *more* homework and are thin. I don't know maybe it's the diet (the fries and hamburger) or maybe because they promote physical education which schools here seem to cut back on.

IT's been four months since I have returned from Korea after teaching middle school kids for a year. The kids were overwelmed with homework, not just from their regular school hours but also from the hagwon (private school) where I taught . The majority of these kids had no time for anything but study. I saw so much stress and apathy in class. One of the students committed suicide. She was 15 years old. The only "fat" kids I saw were the ones who frequented Macdonalds, KFC or Dunkin Dougnuts. The majority of the students were slim because of the traditional Korean diet which is rice, noodles and lots of vegetables. I always tried to scare my students about eating the fast foods; sometimes exaggerating about its ill effects. In my class, the students had alot of downtime; if they didn't do their homework they were suppose to go to detention for an hour and a half. I actually watched one young girl go crazy in my class; laughing and rocking back and forth when homework was assigned. I didn't follow the rules because I wanted my students to enjoy learning english not hating it. I think too much homework is insane. What is too much homework? Just look at your students behaviour...use your common sense.
 
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12 years of BS? I don't know what it's like now, or what it was like for you in school, but my homework load was pretty light.

The pickup of homework load started in the last two or so years of when I went to school and from what I have seen and read, it has gotten a lot more since.

Must you always take things to the extreme?

Yes, yes I do.

Working to death?

AKA: working all the time, all the hours you can, taking things home just so you can get that petty raise or promotion, or to cover the bills you are barely making by with.... in order to do anything, you are constantly worrying about what you need to do for work first and other life situations secondary to that. Before you know it, you're 65, retired and now looking back on your life seeing that you spent most of it working and paying off bills, hardly having opportunity to see different places in the world, or doing some of the things you always considdered you could do later.... finding now you're running out of years to do it all or just too old to do them now and it's too late. "That's what I considder working to death."

Life is about a lot of things. Your profession is one part of it. Some jobs require tasks to be done, not for the employee to show up for 8 hours a day. If you can't work it out during the regular work hours, well sometimes you have to put in a little more. Like you said, if they don't like it, they can shove off.

Then it goes back to the homework situation and how some people call it a reference to real world work.... which it isn't. I have no problem staying a few hours after work to get something done if something unexpected occured to delay its production, but besides that, I the hours I signed to at the salery I am paid to..... there is no record or place for me to mark down any of the extra hours I take to get something done, I just do it.... but that also means I am not getting any bonus or additional pay for that overtime used, because there is no record of it. Also, the other aspect of the company starting to take you for granted when you do stay later more and more.... they will start to throw more at you to fill up that time and get some more work done for free, at your expense.... AKA: Back to the Homework reference in school. Unless you work for a company who treats you like this, to get more work done on your own time on an everyday basis and is always expected to be done or face penalties, then homework isn't a proper reference to real world work. And if you work for a company like that, then I feel sorry for you, no offense.

Time wasted?

For the most part, yes.

Education is never time wasted. You get out what you put in. You can go to classes, and do no other work and still pass. Or you can do extra and learn a little more. The days where you don't have classes are a fine time to read chapters, papers, etc. Or work on assignments and labs.

Yes, by your choice and by your interest alone, not to be forced by others because it is expected of you to. There was very little in school which I can relate or link to what I have been doing for a job for the last 10 years or so of my life. What has however, was the things I did take time on my own to learn over the years in which school didn't teach me. In other words I could have used the time in school to focus more into the field of work I was interested in, but school wasn't like that, therefore the time I spent in school was a waste of time overall.

Read it on your own from the internet, or read the supplemental information in your text book. I do both. The lectures aren't just a regurgitation of the material. It's a time for the professor to go over some things in finer detail, and clarify any questions. Then of course there are the office hours, where you can consult with your professor one-on-one.

Fair enough... I do this now.... but by my choice, not because of someone else's choice and expectations... that's the difference. If you choose to spend the extra time beyond your signed contract's statements of daily time spent working, then that should be considdered a bonus of having you employed by the company and should be rewarded as such (Which most companies currently do) but it shouldn't be expected of you in order to keep your job.

So, you're fine with catching up because it's behind schedule, but not fine when it's something that could be done the next day.

Yes, if it's an emergency or due to something screwing up like a machine or what not, sure.... but not when it is a regular basis thing where you are expected to get things done, just for the sake of getting it done faster, thereby the company getting some free work off of you on a regular basis. Eventually if you bend and allow this to happen all the time... once you voice that you're wearing out and not having enough time to do other things in life, then they will begin to think you are no longer worth as much as you already are. I've worked in a few companies like this and most based their reasoning on the lack of knowlege you have on your rights.

So then, what happens when the school year runs out and there is still material to cover?

extend the year or cut down the the amount of work you are trying to squeeze in through the year and carry it over into the following year..... but keep it on a regular daily schedule and keep it in the school time. If they're going to continue piling the homework on you to do before the next day, then why not just extend the school day by 3 or 4 more hours and isolate that specifically to the homework.... then send them home at around 6 or 7pm.

Sounds silly doesn't it? Well that's exactly what is going on right now, but the only difference is that you're sitting in your room or at your desk at home doing this exact same thing every night, not being able to do anything else until you have your regular list of homework completed for the next day.

Chicken came first.

Neither. I'd say expectations have caused us to become more lazy.

Ah ha! There's the word I was waiting for.... "Expectations" ~ Expectations have caused us to become more lazy.

Why would expectations make us more lazy? If you are expected to do more all the time, then you become over burdened mentally and then you become more lazy in other things because you spent the rest of your time trying to meet the higher amount of expectations.... "Too much to do to be bothered." Mental and physical exaustion go hand in hand. If you spent all your day during your free time to finish homework or some work the boss passed off on you after work, then when that is done you still want time for yourself.... time to think.... time to relax from the pile of stuff you have been doing all day already. So you sit down, grab a beer, watch some TV or play around on the computer, because it's quicker and easier then to head out and do something else during the little time you have left before you have to goto bed for the next day of work/school.

One day here and there having to spend your personal time on something relating to school or work I don't have a beef with... that should be expected as is... but when it comes to be expected of you every single day of your work/school week and in the end of the day you only have 2 or 3 hours to yourself before you have to rest for the next day, that eventually exausts yourself mentally and then soon enough, physically on top of that.... you then become more stressed, more lazy and then before you know it.... you're loaded up on anti depressants because you're always stressed, that you're not getting your proper sleep, that you are constantly dwelling on things that need to be done.... never relaxing.

It all goes hand in hand.... over worked, over stressed, thrown on pills to counter it because you're told it's "normal" so that you can continue like a zombie doing the same things over and over again... masking your problems and not facing them. You then get lazy, fat, still stressed, and nothing ever seems right. I know I myself have gone through this same BS.... and really.... they may say living/working like this is just normal and to suck it up, but is being loaded up with pills to counter what follows those problems also "Normal?"

When you have to take pills on an everyday basis just to get you through your day, there isn't just something wrong with you (Allowing yourself to be put in that position) there is something wrong with the life around you to bring you to this stage in your life and the pills only make you not care about those problems, yet the problems still exist.

We are conditioned to give most of our lives and mental/physical health to "Contribute to Society" to pay our bills, to live the life we have been dictated to live as the "Norm" to have a wife/husband and 2.5 kids and a house, with a car, because after all.... that's what happiness is.... or so we're told. We're here on this planet to experience everything there is on this planet and in this life to experience and learn from, and when 80% of each day is taken up to suit other's needs, then you're not really experiencing life for yourself, but sacraficing your life and your time so that other people can have more time for themselves to do what they want, all the while your life passes you by, doing the same redundant job day in and day out so that you can have some crappy retirement plan that just gets you by when you're older so you no longer have to work.... not enough money to go do the things you wanted, not enough youth and energy to make those things happen because it's all be used up over the years to get to where you are, and then in the end, you realize that due to inflation and increased living expenses, you still have to work to make it by and then you in a sense "Work to death."

Screw that.
 

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I hope you don't work for NASA, because your Moon mission will end up to be a Jupiter mission instead... with a bunch of dead astronauts inside LOL.

If the chances of myself or the work I do would be exiting the earth's atmosphere anytime in my life, I might have found some of that important... since I don't work for NASA, and I never planned on being some rocket scientist, all that crap taught in math was useless and a complete waste of my time and life. Some people know what they plan on doing at an early age. Myself, I knew what I was going to be doing since 4 years of age..... those people should have the right to opt out or choose proper courses or classes which suit their interests.

Having kids of my own who are not in school yet, this thread peaked my interest. In terms of homework, I don't agree that kids should not get any homework at all. They should get at least some. Reason I say this is from past experience when I was at school... some kids fall asleep or don't pay attention in class. Ever heard of the term "In one ear, out the other?" Yep, I was a living example of that. So whatever you missed in class can be reviewed later on in the form of homework. Homework is also supposed to reinforce the concepts taught in class and extend the ideas to new areas that can be applied in the real world. (and no, I did not copy that last phrase somewhere out of a book or the web)

But then I get back into my chicken/egg example. I didn't pay much attention in class, or I had difficulties concentrating, because I didn't have enough time to eat properly or sleep from the day before. During my school time, I was going through curling, archery, air cadets and a few other things over the years, and on top of all those things my parents thought were good for me getting out of the house, I had to finish all the damn homework issued that day above all that other stuff.... so of course, when the next day came around, I wasn't rested and focused..... I just simply didn't give a rats ass anymore.

If the kid has nothing else to do after school except watch Judge Judy, then sure, perhaps some homework could become handy. But for those other kids who want to play hockey, or go through cadets, or take up art, martial arts, etc..... where is the time? And once again, it's a lot worse then it used to be when I was in school, so I have no clue how these kids can do it, if they actually do.

I used to live in a pretty bad area where homework was not really given out... Well, it was but nobody did it. As a result, kids didn't really have anything to do in their after school hours. This is a bad thing because a bunch of teenage male kids hanging around a public park with other groups of male kids from other schools leads to a pissing contest and bad things happen. Where I live now is a walk in the park compared to my childhood but still, every once in a while I read articles about kids breaking windows at the a local school or groups of kids beating up other kids or elderly people. WTF? And we want these kids to have the ability to make critical decisions on their own?

A few in my school were a bunch of these instigators.... but at the same time, one of them also have pretty high school marks. It was all a breeze to him and was the only one to get 100% on his final math exam in pre-cal. But he was still an asshole and liked to get into fights and drink during the weekends etc. Homework didn't change his behavior any.

I grew up in a small town area with small town mentality, where it was a regular basis of the various schools to pick a few people to go out to a weekend fight with the other schools... one big brawl..... hell why not? It wasn't my thing but to each their own.

But the above is a parenting issue, not an example of homework being a solution. If you don't know what your kid is doing after school or you fully know that they are just hanging around in a mall or at the park with others doing nothing.... then perhaps you should put them into a hobby or something they are interested in. And homework is not a hobby :p

But also on the flip side, those kids hanging out at the park, or out at the mall are out socializing, learning street smarts to a degree, and at least they're not sitting in front of the tube until they have to goto bed.

What I've learned from friends, neighbors and coworkers with much older kids than mine, is the rule that you must always keep your kids busy with something to do. Be it sports, homework, hobbies, whatever. As long as their busy and they like what their doing. As soon as you let them loose doing whatever they want whenever they want it is a recipe for disaster. That's the advice I'm going with... unless you have some better ones?

Well besides the above mentioned things I went through (Cadets, Archery, Curling, etc.) during the summer I was always out riding the bike, going for a swim in the pool, having people over for a little fire and some hot dogs, etc..... just going out and experiencing and doing life... biking in the woods, surrounded by nature, finding trails I never knew existed and seeing where they took me.... camping out in the woods for a weekend, making a cabin or whatnot..... I kept myself busy on my own accord and my parents had enough trust in me to know what I was doing was responsible.

But when the winter came around, it was video game time..... work on my hand/eye co-ordination and what not :p

And as for the discussion on 8 hours work and having to do extra after work, well, I'm guessing you don't have a job with any form of responsibility yet.

I have plenty of responsibility at the moment, and I've been working here for a number of years now. My effectivness and speed in my work allows me to not fall behind on projects. My company has the workloads scheduled properly so that it allows for proper time to complete them for clients without me having to stay in hours apon hours after work to meet the deadlines. If that had to occur on a regular basis, either there would be something wrong with me, or there would be something wrong with my company's time management for projects. A company that needs you to stay in after your normal work time on a regular basis or things always seem to be stuck on a tight deadline.... then that shows that the company has no clue how to properly time manage, either that or they're bending over backwards for unessicary client requests and you have to take the pointy end of the stick at the end of the day based on their decisions.
 

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Have you considered Home-Schooling your children?

Perhaps the solution here to any anxiety about the amount of homework being given kids is to take them out of that environment and school them yourself?
 

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okay, let's drop the asian thing for a minute. I've done homework all my life and I'm not fat... my sisters have done way more homework than I have and they're not fat. As a matter of fact, I'm looking around my office right now and I'm pretty sure they've done way more homework than I have (seeing as how they are all engineers), and they are not fat. So let's face it, your kids got problems and converting the 2 hour homework time into play time isn't going to solve it.

You are repeating a continual flaw in this thread by basis your homework load when you were a kid to what kids are going through today, which is totally way off in accuracy. The problem is the increased amount of homework issued to kids today, not 10-20 years ago from what you remember. When I was growing up, I remember it was only about an hour or so of homework.... sure, fine. But once 11-12 came around I noticed an increase in homework issued out which ran around 3-4 hours. Now try and imagine the workload based on those 1998 levels to now in 2008, 10 years of continual increase workload of homework..... it would pale in comparison to the homework you might have done in the early 90's or 80's.... perhaps 70's if you will (I don't know your age)

Now when we accept that the amount of homework has increased a lot more since back in our days.... how about we look into the overall value of homework and if kids on average actually benifit and absorb this homework after school hours or are they just filling out the answers as quickly as possible and then forgetting about it so they can get on with their real lives?

When you are mentally exausted from all the crap you done earlier in the day and then you're thinking about what you will be doing the next day, you just don't have the energy nor the desire to go out and play, or bike around, or go and learn karate. You just want an hour or so to sit down and relax.... to clear your mind and be one again. But.... you've already been sitting down all day in school or at work, working on the things handed to you.... you just spend a few more hours after that sitting on your ass working on homework.... now you want a couple more hours to sit on your ass to clear your mind.... Oh... and now it's time for bed, where you lie down and do nothing for a few more hours.

Over Burden of Homework is indirectly connected to stress/anti depressants, and being over weight. Unless you can find some other explination for why our kids in society today are grossly overweight, have so many loaded up on pills to reduce their depression in school, and less joining up in after school activities, I'm all ears. See the problem is that nobody likes to put two and two together. Add up the current common problems our children are facing today, that we never had to face all that much at their age, and find what is different or has changed over the years to cause these differences to when we were growing up.

More Homework issued out..... why? I'll tell you why..... Because teachers are being pressured due to national SAT's going lower and lower, they are told kids are getting through grades not learning the main things they need for the next year, teachers are then pressured to teach them more in the school year so they get caught up.... in order to do this because of limited school time, they assign even more homework. The homework in turn is draining the students ability to absorb, be interested and pay attention to the everyday teachings in class, therefore their marks continue to drop.... the teachers get ripped some more because of it, they are given more to teach in the year, more homework is assigned.... and so on. Not only are teachers getting drained and stressed, but so are the students, and nobody see's the real problem.

It's like inflation. Living costs go up, the price of food and supplied gradually increase, we counter with higher minimum wage, in order to compensate for the higher payments issued out to counter this, other costs have to increase, living costs and the price of food again increases.... minimum wage goes up a bit more to counter this..... and so on.

Both of these are not fixes... they are patches.... patches that do not work, but only mask the real problem while it continues to get bigger and bigger.
 

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Home school your children and you can make the determination of what's appropriate for homework..if any and you can create the learning environment to reflect your years of experience in designing curriculum and setting achievement goals for your kids!
 

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Karrie

Have you considered Home-Schooling your children?

Perhaps the solution here to any anxiety about the amount of homework being given kids is to take them out of that environment and school them yourself?

Or as a society, collectively see and understand the problems and then fix them for all to suit the needs of the many. Just because Karrie, myself and a few others see the problems that our/their kids face today, pulling our kids or those we know out of school for home schooling doesn't solve the ever growing problem that the rest face in the public schooling system.

Once again... don't try and relate todays problems with homework with what you went through years ago, because it no longer relates. Not even my own experience compares to today. And we're not the only one's who feel there is a problem today, or this wouldn't have even made the news.... or a debate for that matter. There is obviously something wrong, or at least different today then when we were kids in school, and it needs to be addressed, and many see that is needs to be addressed.

Unloading several hours of homework on a kid every nigth is not parenting, nor is it teaching. It is buying up their time after school so that parents don't need to bother with them, and they're off the streets doing god knows what. It was never a solution to filling up their time for parents, and it was never a solution to teaching.

But you did give me an idea. Perhaps sometime when I think there is a need, I'll just start my own private school with proper learning procedures and thus lead by example. Prove that less overtime work for students will bring more rested, more attentative and less stressed students into the classroom each day.

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But then again, I end up with countless ideas on a daily basis that it is impossible to do them all. So I express them here for someone interested, or elsewhere.
 

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Sure the times have changed...

Next time the power goes out at your local MacDonalds or Timmy's watch the modern product of "education" make change....

If we banned electronic calculators and cell phones and all the rubbish that's regarded as sooooo critical to Johnny and Sally's development....and returned to some basics that didn't involve sweating over how much homework these poor little urchins are "forced" to do...well maybe there'd be less time for kids to tote guns into school and maybe there'd be more time for physical eduation programs so those addicted to electronic "fulfillment" would gain some sense of what it's like to be alive!

Ask your kid to tell you how much paint you should buy to paint the furnace oil-tank and see if they can manage without a calculator....or even figure out how to solve the problem...
 

karrie

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Karrie

Have you considered Home-Schooling your children?

Perhaps the solution here to any anxiety about the amount of homework being given kids is to take them out of that environment and school them yourself?

I've considered it, and rejected the idea for several reasons.

1) I'm impatient with my own children. I hold them to higher standards than I hold other children, and place unfair expectations of perfection on them. I realize this, and think it would be unfair for them to have to have such a ____ for a teacher.

2) I'm disabled, and many of my days are spent in a great deal of pain and brain fog. I know you guys can't see it, but it's there, and it can lead to a great deal of disorganization and lack of motivation in my life. My kids need not only a break from that, but for their education to not suffer because mom couldn't focus on making them do their work.

3) I'm struggling to school myself, and considering going to college in January.

4) Did I mention my kids don't deserve to have such a ____ for a teacher?

5) Socialization. Lots of homeschool families do a wonderful job of this. But with my mobility often limited, I simply can't guarantee providing adequate socialization for my kids.

6) My kids aren't the only ones affected by bad school practices... remaining and seeking change seems to be an important thing.

7) And, the last factor.... I'm a _____.



eta.... ____ = mom with no patience, what did you think it meant?
 
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Karrie

Would you entertain the idea that people who are being paid and have been paid for specialized training and extra college programming may have the skill-set necessary to establish what will work and what won't work when it comes to educating your children?

If the idea that your children are finding their "homework load" too heavy has there been a dialogue between you and your children's educational institution addressing this concern?

Has the quality of Canadian education slipped in the past number of years or would you say that the school system is being run as efficiently and as well as it has (comparatively) over the span of several decades?

I'm a strong supporter of home-schooling and have grave concerns with the "system" as it is now and as it's been for the past twenty years. I've worked with school boards and teachers representing public school and highschool levels of public education for many years and continue to be highly critical of the political and economic dynamics that shape Canada's learning environments. People like you who for entirely legitimate reasons may have considered home-schooling and been prevented from carrying through with those ideas because of circumstances like yours. How does your familiarity with the quality of Canadian education being delivered to your children compare to that of other jurisdictions? Does performance comparisons reveal a sufficient standard of general knowledge and facility to problem solve as compared to some other system with which you are just as familiar?

When we talk about ideas like "too much homework" as the latest pearl of wisdom from a committee or a body of educators, how do you determine the legitimacy of that position or idea? Is it reasonable to simply accept that because this superintendent or that principal or this regional authority makes such and such a determination that we clasp this perspective to our bosom or does it make any sense to review the performance of a variety of systems to lend weight to the decsion making process?

Years ago the Canadian system and curriculum structure was eviscerated under the aegis of what I and many other educators labeled "California Edubabble".... We've listened to these supposedly "knowledgeable people" who tell us that "tests" are so fraught with variables and unfair comparisons that they're "unreliable" indicators of the efficacy of not only our system but anyones system.

Is your position on "homework-load" predicated on informed examination or opinion based on personal preference? Please understand Karrie I'm not attacking you or your position, I'm simply questioning how like back in the sixties and seventies the "enlightened" view of educators encouraged clutching this or that strategy to our bosoms ....resulted in nothing better and perhaps something even less suitable than what had gone before....

How do you know?
 

karrie

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Karrie...

How do you know?

How do I know if two hours of homework a night is a source of stress for my grade two child? I watch her.

How do I know if two hours of homework a night is cutting into my child's time to play and run and burn off energy? I watch her.

I've addressed it with the school, and I've gotten apologies and temporarily reduced homework loads. Which I might add, brought her test scores up from when the loads were higher. But frankly, I could care less about test scores, so it makes my perspective a bit skewed from the perspective of the schools, and thus much of the discussion, I know, makes me sound uninformed.

Because test scores aren't the only way we have of guaging the success of the children we are putting through public school. Test scores are an insanely limited scope of the measurement of human intelligence, let alone a measure of human health.

Saying too much homework isn't just the 'latest pearl of wisdom'. It's an attempt to get them to stop upping the competitive ante on our kids. It's just not necessary, definitely not at this tender age.

And you're not coming across as attacking my position... when it comes to children, it's extremely hard to discuss the right path without people getting heated, but you sound like you're honestly discussing and interested.
 

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Who does better at school; those who do homework or those who don't? Anyone got a link?