Collapse of the Russian Federation

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Well that was the whole point of giving china access to western markets without them allowing our markets to participate there wasn't it. To keep them from developing economic ties with russia. Now that we're saying 'Maybe that should be a two way street" they're doing exactly that, so it was kind of a waste. Russia is desperate for an economic partner with the west becoming more hostile and China is going to exploit that for sure.
 

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Well that was the whole point of giving china access to western markets without them allowing our markets to participate there wasn't it. To keep them from developing economic ties with russia. Now that we're saying 'Maybe that should be a two way street" they're doing exactly that, so it was kind of a waste. Russia is desperate for an economic partner with the west becoming more hostile and China is going to exploit that for sure.
Vladivostok would be a serious prize for China if Russia defaults on loans and their end of bilateral project funding.
 
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Vladivostok would be a serious prize for China if Russia defaults on loans and their end of bilateral project funding.
Well that would be war straight up. It's possible the chinese would consider such a conflict. But nobody would be turning russia's navel bases over to the chinese without a fight debt or no debt
 

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Well that would be war straight up. It's possible the chinese would consider such a conflict. But nobody would be turning russia's navel bases over to the chinese without a fight debt or no debt
Russia is cut off by simple controlling a rail line. No TSR, no Far East.

TSR is an umbilical.
 
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Russia is cut off by simple controlling a rail line. No TSR, no Far East.

TSR is an umbilical.
Perhaps and i'll be the first to say i haven't looked into that and will have to rely on your opinion on that, but wouldn't they just be able to drive tanks and planes and such to attack any force holding it? It kind of seems like they might have thought about that at some point, if an enemy could cripple them by bombing just one rail line that's a pretty glaring issue.
 

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Perhaps and i'll be the first to say i haven't looked into that and will have to rely on your opinion on that, but wouldn't they just be able to drive tanks and planes and such to attack any force holding it? It kind of seems like they might have thought about that at some point, if an enemy could cripple them by bombing just one rail line that's a pretty glaring issue.
Trans Siberian Railway is the only link west. There are no roads to or from Russia
 

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Well that would be war straight up. It's possible the chinese would consider such a conflict. But nobody would be turning russia's navel bases over to the chinese without a fight debt or no debt
BTW, I was thinking the freight ports in Vladivostock.
 

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It's Xi turning his back on Putin not on resources.

Russia is obligated to supply the resources to pay for Chinese investment.

It's like Trudeau buying TMX because China wants their bought and paid for oil. It's the only reason it wasn't scraped. Same goes for Kitimat LNG.
 

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It's Xi turning his back on Putin not on resources.

Russia is obligated to supply the resources to pay for Chinese investment.

It's like Trudeau buying TMX because China wants their bought and paid for oil. It's the only reason it wasn't scraped. Same goes for Kitimat LNG.
Donating to the Pierre Elliot Trudeau Foundation pays dividends .
 

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It's one of those things that's a little hard to say of course. We're still 40 years away from finding out. the obvious path for the chinese is to fill the area and surrouding areas with their population as much as possible and then when the time comes have them vote to 'seceed' and have china annex them, much like what happened with the Crimea. Which is of course exaclty what russia would do and why they're scared of it.

But - It will depend on the situation at the time. If it were right now - russia is badly weakened, economically devistated, and would be hard pressed to put up a real fight with the chinese. But will that be the case 40 years from now?

As it is russia's population is currently shrinking so we will have to see how things go, but i'd be more inclined to think the chinese would play an even longer game, take advantage of russia's economic weakness to gain further controls and inroads into their economy and be the iron hand in the velvet glove that helps keep them afloat while gaining more and more control, until it's too late for them.

Given a choice, China tends to buy their conquests rather than invade them.
What makes you think China is going to wait 40 years?