Coalition could represent 70% canada

[Colpy]

A fool is only someone who doesn't agree with your point of view. Your fascination with Harper and his merry band of right wing loons is foolish from where I stand. So is your paranoia of the Bloq. Gilles knows where his bread is buttered and in no way will even attempt to split off Quebec. You have little to no understanding of the Quebecois. You have been living in Canada's ghetto for too long.

Ahhh, perhaps you should read a newspaper..........maybe I don't understand Quebecois. I do understand Blackmail and the fact that anything Gilles Duceppe does will be extremely detrimental to the nation.

I don't even dislike Duceppe.....he is only doing what he was elected to do. What I can't stand is fools in the ROC that would put him in the position to screw all of Canada.

NOBODY in the ROC will vote Bloc........

The Bloc DOES NOT represent anyone outside Quebec.

For that reason alone, anyone with half a brain would keep them away from the levers of power.

 

[Avro]

A fool is only someone who doesn't agree with your point of view. Your fascination with Harper and his merry band of right wing loons is foolish from where I stand. So is your paranoia of the Bloq. Gilles knows where his bread is buttered and in no way will even attempt to split off Quebec. You have little to no understanding of the Quebecois. You have been living in Canada's ghetto for too long.

So you are comfortable with a party (who's sole purpose is to split from Canada) that respresents Quecbec only with a controlling part of a coalition and the rest of Canada's tax revenue?

Sorry but I'm more comfortable with the cons in a minority than I am with that bag of mixed nuts.

 

[captain morgan]

lynch the rich

We can try this instead

YouTube - Motorhead - Eat the Rich (Live 1988)

 

[Cliffy]

So you are comfortable with a party (who's sole purpose is to split from Canada) that respresents Quecbec only with a controlling part of a coalition and the rest of Canada's tax revenue?

Sorry but I'm more comfortable with the cons in a minority than I am with that bag of mixed nuts.

I have no use for any of them. It is all a shell game to make people think they have some say in government, that we actually live in a democracy. Gilles is just playing a scripted part, just like all the other well paid actors on parliament hill. It suits those in control to play this game of pretend about Quebec to keep people emotionally engaged in something beyond their control. It keeps them busy chasing their tails so they are not paying attention to what is really going on. Until people wake up to that, we will be stuck in this stupid game and have absolutely no control over our lives. You are all being manipulated into fighting each other, expending energy that would be better spent fighting those who control your lives. But hey, if you are all happy playing in your little sand box, fly at 'er.

 

[Avro]

Oh brother....another one.

 

[petros]

When was the last time a politician turned on the TV to find out what we decided to do with our money, our resources, our infrastructure, our children educations or an annoying neighbour?
In this so called democaracy when was the last time you made a crucial decision other than just pick a colour or side like it were a spectator sport?

 

[Colpy]

When was the last time a politician turned on the TV to find out what we decided to do with our money, our resources, our infrastructure, our children educations or an annoying neighbour?
In this so called democaracy when was the last time you made a crucial decision other than just pick a colour or side like it were a spectator sport?

Every time I vote, or renew my membership in the CPC, or write them a cheque, or read the last thing they....or the other parties....did in Parliament........

Believe it or not, I don't treat this like a sport.

And I've voted for 5 different parties at the national level.

Everyone possible EXCEPT the Liberals.

 

[Cliffy]

Oh brother....another one.

It always amazes me that seemingly intelligent people believe in religion. There is no difference between religion and politics. They are flip sides of the same coin. Both deal in intangibles, promises, rewards and punishments.

 

[petros]

Every time I vote, or renew my membership in the CPC, or write them a cheque, or read the last thing they....or the other parties....did in Parliament........

Believe it or not, I don't treat this like a sport.

And I've voted for 5 different parties at the national level.

Everyone possible EXCEPT the Liberals.

That isn't a vote for a crucial decision. That isn't deciding who gets what resource for what rate. That isn't decided what to fund and what not to fund. That is participating in the context of what your kid is taught. That isn't deciding to go to war.

That is just a superficial act to make you feel like you are doing something.

 

[Trotz]

Instead of an election, I rather see a "Yes - No" referendum to cut down on the amount of government employees and benefits.

I reckon 100% of the country, that isn't employed by government, would vote yes in a heart beat.

 

[gerryh]

Every time I vote, or renew my membership in the CPC, or write them a cheque, or read the last thing they....or the other parties....did in Parliament........

Believe it or not, I don't treat this like a sport.

And I've voted for 5 different parties at the national level.

Everyone possible EXCEPT the Liberals.

I've voted Liberal almost my entire life, except once for the CPC when I was young and stupid and for Reform in a fit of mental instability.

 

[Corduroy]

Assuming the numbers are right, how much of that 70% would actually want a coalition party? Obviously, the voters who really count are the ones who change support between elections. Those who swing between Liberal and NDP might prevent a Liberal majority, but I suspect that most of these swing voters move between Liberal and Conservative. Would they want a Liberal-NDP coalition government? If they swing between Liberal and Conservative, they'd probably be turned off the Liberals at the prospect of such a coalition. Then again, people are less predictable than this logic requires. But throw in the BQ and you're really screwed.

 

[Colpy]

I've voted Liberal almost my entire life, except once for the CPC when I was young and stupid and for Reform in a fit of mental instability.

I voted Liberal once, provincially, for Frank McKenna. Only to have him immediately nullify signed labour contracts the second he got into office.

I shoulda known.

In my fit of mental instability I voted PC, for Lyin' Brian's boys.....but I came around, joined Reform, and helped destroy the pitiful corrupt gov't of that asshole.....only to have it replaced by a more corrupt gov't...Jean "the Don"

There are many many things I don't like about Harper's CPC.....his minor obsession with crime, his concentration of power in the PMO, his eagerness to copy the USA's useless "war on drugs", his imposition of mandatory sentencing, his prolifigate over spending.........just to start.

But he is so so much better than the alternatives, even at that.

Support for our allies, both in NATO and in the ME, a saner foreign aid framework, less arse-kissing at the useless, corrupt and counter-productive UN, much-needed support for the military, a saner approach to gun control (although he does not go nearly far enough), a lack of financial corruption, ....on the big issues its the CPC all the way.

Every time I am almost fed up with them, I take a look at Iggy's bunch and Taliban Jack....no thanks.

 

[Avro]

There are many many things I don't like about Harper's CPC.....his minor obsession with crime, his concentration of power in the PMO, his eagerness to copy the USA's useless "war on drugs", his imposition of mandatory sentencing, his prolifigate over spending.........just to start.

There is more than that. My sister works for the ministry of the enviroment and what goes on there is nothing short of a gag order.

Plus, when they ran just before they got elected for the first time they had the platform with those five top priorities....you remember that right? One of them was to reduce wait times in healthcare......oddly, we are all still waiting and not a peep from the so called liberal media.

But he is so so much better than the alternatives, even at that.

He is better than what I see on the other side of the aisle and until that changes he should have no trouble keeping power....but that won't last.

 

[s_lone]

When voting Bloc, Quebecers know perfectly welll that Bloc members are not the ones who have the power or mandate to separate Quebec from Canada. Voting Bloc is an easy vote for Quebec nationalists who are ''not too sure'' about separation. They understand the Bloc's ''what's good for Quebec'' nationalist philosophy and that's what they are supporting.

Somehow, most Canadians seem unable to grasp this subtlety as they are too happy to label the Bloc as evil nation destroyers. Black and white mentality is always easier to defend.

Whether you like them or not, the Bloc's behaviour since its beginning has been in perfect accordance to the democratic institutions of Canada. They are clear about their preference for a separated Quebec but have always respected Canadian democracy.

I can understand why one would be worried about a coalition with separatists, but I think it's unfounded. The Bloc is willing to cooperate as long as they feel actions are not detrimental to Quebec. In case you haven't noticed, it's possible for political decisions to be good for both Quebec and the rest of Canada. Coalition governments would be a good way to finally get politicians working together and for the public rather than for themselves. Our system permits it. We've just been so hypnotized by the American way of doing things that we've never taken the opportunity to try something different.

 

[wulfie68]

How these conservative mouth pieces can argue that a coalition representing 70% of voting canadians would be in any way worse than a government that only represents 30% is illogical, stupid and a bold faced red-herring lie.

Well, first off, you may want to rephrase your attempted point. Just because 70% of voters think something is good, doesn't necessarily mean it is. The proof is in the results. The Harper gov't hasn't been the end of the world, or even the nation, as much as anti-Conservative party voices argue. Now we can get into a bunch of ideological arguments and attempt to spin events to support our arguments but the reality is that if the present gov't didn't cater enough to the center left parties, or at least govern in a way that is mostly palatable to them, the gov't would have fallen and we would be campaigning or have had yet another election.

And even if the Bloc were somehow involved, by no stretch of the imagination would the separation of Quebec ever occur because today the concept is at about 25% popularity in Quebec itself....and the ratio is getting smaller.

You're being intellectually dishonest. The stated goal of the Bloc is Quebec independence and EVERYTHING they do is in pursuit of that goal. While Quebec remains a part of Canada, the Bloc will do its best to represent Quebec's interests, and thus show the people of Quebec what sound stewards they are, and how they can be trusted as leaders, but anyone who is willing to let the basic premise of their existence slip from view is a fool. The Bloc will do what is right for Canada only as long as it meets their view of what is best for Quebec.

 

[polaris]

When voting Bloc, Quebecers know perfectly welll that Bloc members are not the ones who have the power or mandate to separate Quebec from Canada. Voting Bloc is an easy vote for Quebec nationalists who are ''not too sure'' about separation. They understand the Bloc's ''what's good for Quebec'' nationalist philosophy and that's what they are supporting.

Somehow, most Canadians seem unable to grasp this subtlety as they are too happy to label the Bloc as evil nation destroyers. Black and white mentality is always easier to defend.

Whether you like them or not, the Bloc's behaviour since its beginning has been in perfect accordance to the democratic institutions of Canada. They are clear about their preference for a separated Quebec but have always respected Canadian democracy.

I can understand why one would be worried about a coalition with separatists, but I think it's unfounded. The Bloc is willing to cooperate as long as they feel actions are not detrimental to Quebec. In case you haven't noticed, it's possible for political decisions to be good for both Quebec and the rest of Canada. Coalition governments would be a good way to finally get politicians working together and for the public rather than for themselves. Our system permits it. We've just been so hypnotized by the American way of doing things that we've never taken the opportunity to try something different.

A thoughtful informed response...thank you...refreshing

 

[damngrumpy]

I personally don't like coalition governments they are for short term expediency and do not
reflect the interests of a majority of any society. That is the problem with mainland Europe
they have left and right forming coalitions with greens and god knows who else to put forth
a convoluted agenda that means nothing in the end.
British Columbia is a prime example of a coalition that is in trouble no matter how they try
to dress it up. The BC Liberal Party is a coalition of Liberals mainstream and the fiscal
Conservatives. The vacuum now created has left the social conservatives alone in a minority
position, along with the left wing of the Liberal Party, and this is especially true if Kevin
Falcon gets to be leader, add to that the Greens which which are dogmatic left and right and
splintered into two separate groups. On the other side of the divide is the NDP, and they are
at odds with one another momentarily. The difference is once the New Democrats settle
their differences they accept the outcome unlike the others.
Take that to the Federal gang, and collectively they have become a gang of gaggling ducks
all speaking at once without an solution among them.
If the opposition forms a coalition who the hell would steer it? Jack? You can't be serious.
Will Iggy be chosen? The truth is the Liberals will not have one seat more in the next election
than they have now, and the reason is they have the wrong guy at the helm, he can't run his
own ship let along a bigger one. The only other leader and he is better than the other two with
the confidence of his own party is Gille Duceppe. Can you imagine presenting that choice to
the Canadian People? With that mess getting together all they would produce is a bigger mess.

Let us look at Harper for just a moment, there is no way on God's Green Earth, the Canadian
People are going to give this man a majority. Oh they will likely return him to office with a new
minority but they don't trust him anymore than the gaggle of geese on the other side of the House.
Nope, when the dust settles after the next election, there will be the status quo, a minority with
Harper, sad to say. Canadians are still waiting for the second coming of a real leader they can
trust, and they are in short supply. The reason is a real leader will have to tell us the truth about
the state of our affairs and that would mean the people who know the truth, and having spoke in
public would want to skin the new leader alive, and who wants to go through that?
To put it more clearly 70% do not like Harper and the Conservatives. But 70% or more do not
like the other three either so stalemate is the only solution and Canadians have turned that into an
art form just like we are the best at bitching about everything.