I believe it is.
But why is that? If it was OK when the victim is awake, why not when they pass out?
Hell, I'm tickled pink when I wake up to a little lovin' from SCB.
Should I be calling the police? I don't remember snoring out my consent.
Clueless CNN reporters are shocked at rape coverage backlash
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But why is that? If it was OK when the victim is awake, why not when they pass out?
Hell, I'm tickled pink when I wake up to a little lovin' from SCB.
Should I be calling the police? I don't remember snoring out my consent.
Your sarcasm isn't as lost on me as the fact that I haven't been focused on the OP for sometime, was lost on you.
And your neglect to clarify served what purose?
This thread is about her case, not imaginary 'what if she asked for it' scenarios.
It's been obvious for pages now.
Oh crap! Sorry, I didn't realize that any discussion that didn't follow your approval was verbotten.
I'll find my own way to the door. It appears that questioning anything the emotional hold dear, is beyond the pale.
Enjoy the mental masturbation.
I never realized you boys can't handle a woman countering your points.
This thread was about her, so when you start asking 'what if she said yes', it's fair to assume you mean her, not that you've wandered into imagined scenarios.
Talk about mental masturbation. Sheesh.
This thread was about her, so when you start asking 'what if she said yes', it's fair to assume you mean her, not that you've wandered into imagined scenarios.
Talk about mental masturbation. Sheesh.
From what I gathered from the news is that there was a coverup or a delay. Waiting to see what the AG comes up with. Adults in positions of responsibility charged and convicted of knowing and not reporting this will be singing the blues for a long time in jail.
If there are any officials (Police, Teachers,Lawyers) that interfered with, prominent persons who applied pressure to change the path of the investigation, by delay etc, well they could be going to jail.
If there are any officials (Police, Teachers,Lawyers) that interfered with, prominent persons who applied pressure to change the path of the investigation, by delay etc, well they could be going to jail.
I think it is all a huge conspiracy where they decided to place the economy of the town before the rape of the girl and the conviction of her assailants. I can even see how they could keep twisting that in their mind until they decided it was "best" even for "her" to cover it up. It is going to get uglier.
It becomes non consensual as soon as she says no, or as soon as she can no longer give consent. Simple really. She's too drunk to stand...no consent, she passes out.... no consent, she says no..... no consent..... and I don't care if he's started strokin, if she changes her mind and says no, it's no.
the yanks are such ****s. they allow us to view their videos on tv but not on the internet.:roll:
try these links below.
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did the links I posted for ya work for ya hon?
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Ah, perfect, thanks spammy!
Well, I've made it two clips in and my heart can't take anymore pictures and videos. Considering that I know from Sal saying so, that there's even worse on there, I just can't.
I can't fathom what would drive so many youth to be so.... numb... to the reality of what they were watching, what they were posting, what they were clearly aware it was.
Well, I've made it two clips in and my heart can't take anymore pictures and videos. Considering that I know from Sal saying so, that there's even worse on there, I just can't.
I can't fathom what would drive so many youth to be so.... numb... to the reality of what they were watching, what they were posting, what they were clearly aware it was.
Look at the attitude Karrie. "How do we know she didn't want it?" " She might have wanted it".
Now, how big a difference is there really between the above statements.
I think anyone that thinks rape is acceptable doesn't have much of a life.
I have no doubt that the young woman raped is going to be spending the rest of her life dealing with the effects of being sexually assaulted.
The report by the "journalist" outside the courthouse is obscene, she barely even mentions the victim, just how hard it's going to be for the young men who are in effect menaces to society.
And the comments about how hard it's going to be for the young men on the sex offender register is completely insensitive. These guys have shown they have no respect for basic human dignity, they should be stigmatized.
I agree with you completely, Cobalt, but for your information, and that of all the folks here, the Ohio Supreme Court has ruled that juvenile sex offenders cannot be placed on the sex offender registry for life. The case is In re CP, 131 Ohio St. 513 (2012).
Here it is. . .
http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/0/2012/2012-ohio-1446.pdf
Section 265 of the CCoC: "A person commits an assault when
(a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly; (degree of force is irrelevant)"
a little later it describes;
"273.1 (1) Subject to subsection (2) and subsection 265(3), “consent” means, for the purposes of sections 271, 272 and 273, the voluntary agreement of the complainant to engage in the sexual activity in question.
Where no consent obtained
(2) No consent is obtained, for the purposes of sections 271, 272 and 273, where
(a) the agreement is expressed by the words or conduct of a person other than the complainant;
(b) the complainant is incapable of consenting to the activity;
(c) the accused induces the complainant to engage in the activity by abusing a position of trust, power or authority;
(d) the complainant expresses, by words or conduct, a lack of agreement to engage in the activity; or
(e) the complainant, having consented to engage in sexual activity, expresses, by words or conduct, a lack of agreement to continue to engage in the activity.
(3) Nothing in subsection (2) shall be construed as limiting the circumstances in which no consent is obtained."
Unconsciousness is not consent.
(a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly; (degree of force is irrelevant)"
a little later it describes;
"273.1 (1) Subject to subsection (2) and subsection 265(3), “consent” means, for the purposes of sections 271, 272 and 273, the voluntary agreement of the complainant to engage in the sexual activity in question.
Where no consent obtained
(2) No consent is obtained, for the purposes of sections 271, 272 and 273, where
(a) the agreement is expressed by the words or conduct of a person other than the complainant;
(b) the complainant is incapable of consenting to the activity;
(c) the accused induces the complainant to engage in the activity by abusing a position of trust, power or authority;
(d) the complainant expresses, by words or conduct, a lack of agreement to engage in the activity; or
(e) the complainant, having consented to engage in sexual activity, expresses, by words or conduct, a lack of agreement to continue to engage in the activity.
(3) Nothing in subsection (2) shall be construed as limiting the circumstances in which no consent is obtained."
Unconsciousness is not consent.
Ohio grand jury indicts daughter of Steubenville school worker
Kim Palmer, Reuters
First posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:46 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 02:30 PM EDT
CLEVELAND - An Ohio grand jury, probing whether additional crimes were committed in the Steubenville teen rape case, has indicted on theft charges the daughter of a school employee accused of obstructing the investigation, authorities said on Wednesday.
Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine called for a grand jury and launched a special investigation shortly after two Steubenville high school football players were found guilty in March of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old girl at a party in August 2012. Steubenville is about 40 miles (64 km) west of Pittsburgh, Pa.
The case drew national attention after the computer hacking group Anonymous publicized on the Internet an image it said was the rape victim being carried by her wrists and ankles by two young men.
In the latest action related to the case, Hannah Rhinaman, 20, was indicted on two counts of receiving stolen property and one count of grand theft in incidents that occurred when she was a Steubenville City Schools employee, DeWine said in a statement on Wednesday.
Rhinaman is the daughter of William Rhinaman, the director of technology at the Steubenville City Schools who was indicted Oct. 7 by the special grand jury on charges of obstruction of justice, evidence tampering and perjury.
DeWine said the charges against Hannah Rhinaman were separate and unrelated to the indictment of her father, who was the first person indicted by the special grand jury.
Authorities have not said exactly what William and Hannah Rhinaman did to prompt the indictments.
DeWine has sought to determine whether people committed crimes by hindering the investigation into the rape accusations that swirled around Steubenville and its well-known high school football team.
Ohio grand jury indicts daughter of Steubenville school worker | World | News | Toronto Sun
Kim Palmer, Reuters
First posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:46 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 02:30 PM EDT
CLEVELAND - An Ohio grand jury, probing whether additional crimes were committed in the Steubenville teen rape case, has indicted on theft charges the daughter of a school employee accused of obstructing the investigation, authorities said on Wednesday.
Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine called for a grand jury and launched a special investigation shortly after two Steubenville high school football players were found guilty in March of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old girl at a party in August 2012. Steubenville is about 40 miles (64 km) west of Pittsburgh, Pa.
The case drew national attention after the computer hacking group Anonymous publicized on the Internet an image it said was the rape victim being carried by her wrists and ankles by two young men.
In the latest action related to the case, Hannah Rhinaman, 20, was indicted on two counts of receiving stolen property and one count of grand theft in incidents that occurred when she was a Steubenville City Schools employee, DeWine said in a statement on Wednesday.
Rhinaman is the daughter of William Rhinaman, the director of technology at the Steubenville City Schools who was indicted Oct. 7 by the special grand jury on charges of obstruction of justice, evidence tampering and perjury.
DeWine said the charges against Hannah Rhinaman were separate and unrelated to the indictment of her father, who was the first person indicted by the special grand jury.
Authorities have not said exactly what William and Hannah Rhinaman did to prompt the indictments.
DeWine has sought to determine whether people committed crimes by hindering the investigation into the rape accusations that swirled around Steubenville and its well-known high school football team.
Ohio grand jury indicts daughter of Steubenville school worker | World | News | Toronto Sun
Superintendent indicted in Steubenville rape case
REUTERS
First posted: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:29 PM EST | Updated: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:36 PM EST
STEUBENVILLE - A grand jury has indicted the Steubenville schools superintendent on charges that he obstructed an investigation into the rape of a drunk teen girl at a party last year, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said on Monday.
The grand jury also has indicted an elementary school principal, a wrestling coach and a volunteer assistant coach for the Steubenville football team, DeWine said, adding that the grand jury's work was now done barring new evidence.
A grand jury has indicted the Steubenville schools superintendent on charges that he obstructed an investigation into the rape of a drunk teen girl at a party last year. REUTERS/Jason Cohn
Superintendent indicted in Steubenville rape case | World | News | Toronto Sun
REUTERS
First posted: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:29 PM EST | Updated: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:36 PM EST
STEUBENVILLE - A grand jury has indicted the Steubenville schools superintendent on charges that he obstructed an investigation into the rape of a drunk teen girl at a party last year, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said on Monday.
The grand jury also has indicted an elementary school principal, a wrestling coach and a volunteer assistant coach for the Steubenville football team, DeWine said, adding that the grand jury's work was now done barring new evidence.
A grand jury has indicted the Steubenville schools superintendent on charges that he obstructed an investigation into the rape of a drunk teen girl at a party last year. REUTERS/Jason Cohn
Superintendent indicted in Steubenville rape case | World | News | Toronto Sun