Clueless CNN reporters are shocked at rape coverage backlash

[Goober]

Wow that 12 minute video, is tough to watch, they just keep using the word rape over and over and over and laughing and laughing. They peed on her and speak of her like a piece of meat. It's heart breaking. Two minutes and I can't watch more.

I went over the articles but would not watch any video. It appears there is much more to this then what we have seen so far.
And dollars to donuts some more are going to jail with adult sentences. Then they will become familiar with non consensual as it is driven home. Or they loose their front teeth.
Either way you could say that justice comes from behind or right in their face.

 

[Sal]

I went over the articles but would not watch any video. It appears there is much more to this then what we have seen so far.
And dollars to donuts some more are going to jail with adult sentences. Then they will become familiar with non consensual as it is driven home. Or they loose their front teeth.
Either way you could say that justice comes from behind or right in their face.

It's difficult at first to hear what they are saying but once you begin to decipher the words, it's deeply disturbing on a multitude of levels. The urination part did me in. You can hear in the background that there are some voices speaking in an accusatory way...you raped her, they raped her. Brutal.

If they can prove a cover up it's going to really escalate. And I can see why some would succumb to the pressure to cover up because the whole area is dependent upon the football team for economic recovery. Wow what a mess.

I don't quite get the hackers. Did they hack and expose to bring it to light or was that just a side game?

This is deep on many levels with many involved in covering because so many were at the party. Almost everyone must have been pressured to put up and shut up or be seen as betraying the whole community.

What a fubar.

 

[karrie]

All I can say is that I deeply hope that for every person saying she had it coming, she bears blame, they 'just' did this or that, that she should fear for her life... that there are a multitude more listening to the evidence at hand and not excusing her victimization, or minimizing it. It serves our children poorly to pretend that there are times it's 'more okay' to commit a crime upon another person, especially upon another person's body.

 

[Goober]

It's difficult at first to hear what they are saying but once you begin to decipher the words, it's deeply disturbing on a multitude of levels. The urination part did me in. You can hear in the background that there are some voices speaking in an accusatory way...you raped her, they raped her. Brutal.

If they can prove a cover up it's going to really escalate. And I can see why some would succumb to the pressure to cover up because the whole area is dependent upon the football team for economic recovery. Wow what a mess.

I don't quite get the hackers. Did they hack and expose to bring it to light or was that just a side game?

This is deep on many levels with many involved in covering because so many were at the party. Almost everyone must have been pressured to put up and shut up or be seen as betraying the whole community.

What a fubar.

Now we see what the AG will do.

 

[Sal]

All I can say is that I deeply hope that for every person saying she had it coming, she bears blame, they 'just' did this or that, that she should fear for her life... that there are a multitude more listening to the evidence at hand and not excusing her victimization, or minimizing it. It serves our children poorly to pretend that there are times it's 'more okay' to commit a crime upon another person, especially upon another person's body.

part of what I find shocking is that in my day, we did lay hands on each other, we hit more easily, we shoved and pushed, boobs got grabbed, bras got twanged, crotches got grabbed. There was no sensitivity training and adults didn't involve themselves much in what they thought of as our shananagans. BUT there was a line that the kids in my circle all KNEW should not be crossed. It wasn't spoken of or discussed but we knew. And I know the programs they have for the kids in school now to teach them what was never spoken of in my day so I am baffled as to why there is no comprehension on what should or should not be done.

Something is missing.

Now we see what the AG will do.

pardon my ignorance but what is the AG?

 

[karrie]

part of what I find shocking is that in my day, we did lay hands on each other, we hit more easily, we shoved and pushed, boobs got grabbed, bras got twanged, crotches got grabbed. There was no sensitivity training and adults didn't involve themselves much in what they thought of as our shananagans. BUT there was a line that the kids in my circle all KNEW should not be crossed. It wasn't spoken of or discussed but we knew. And I know the programs they have for the kids in school now to teach them what was never spoken of in my day so I am baffled as to why there is no comprehension on what should or should not be done.

Something is missing.

pardon my ignorance but what is the AG?

That shows what the people you knew were like, but we didn't ever have a miraculous generation where rape never happened. We had generations where it was kept quiet when it did. Very very few people I know in real life know I was raped. But from all the research and stats I've seen, it's always happened.

 

[Sal]

That shows what the people you knew were like, but we didn't ever have a miraculous generation where rape never happened. We had generations where it was kept quiet when it did. Very very few people I know in real life know I was raped. But from all the research and stats I've seen, it's always happened.

Sorry it happened to you Karrie. REally sorry.

I remember vividly one story told to me. A guy was picking her sister up for a date and her sister wasn't back yet. He had a new car and asked if she wanted a ride. He took her out to a field, raped her, threw a towel at her, told her to clean herself up and drove her back home. Dropped her off, picked her sister up and off they went.

I was dumb founded. I asked who did you tell...she said no one... EVER. We were on a break at work I didn't even know what to say. She had told no one for over 35 years. She just went on about her life as though it had never happened to her. That's how silent people used to be.

So yes, you are quite right. Tragic. It is tragic.

 

[karrie]

She just went on about her life as though it had never happened to her. That's how silent people used to be.

And she was probably driven to silence for much the same reason I was. His word versus hers, and she 'should have known better'.

 

[gerryh]

Sorry it happened to you Karrie. REally sorry.

I remember vividly one story told to me. A guy was picking her sister up for a date and her sister wasn't back yet. He had a new car and asked if she wanted a ride. He took her out to a field, raped her, threw a towel at her, told her to clean herself up and drove her back home. Dropped her off, picked her sister up and off they went.

I was dumb founded. I asked who did you tell...she said no one... EVER. We were on a break at work I didn't even know what to say. She had told no one for over 35 years. She just went on about her life as though it had never happened to her. That's how silent people used to be.

So yes, you are quite right. Tragic. It is tragic.

Tragic is an understatement, and the reason why so many kept quiet, and continue to keep quiet is evidenced in this very trial and surrounding happenings, and the attitudes of some on this very forum. It's beyond disgusting.

 

[Sal]

And she was probably driven to silence for much the same reason I was. His word versus hers, and she 'should have known better'.

He became her brother in law.

 

[karrie]

He became her brother in law.

That is horrible. I can't imagine living with that.

 

[Sal]

That is horrible. I can't imagine living with that.

Yeah me either. We have no idea what people live with. I think it has made me kinder over the years, these stories ya know. Some people carry heavy loads and burdens that are crushing.

 

[captain morgan]

Drunk driving is a crime and is victimless when no other person is involved. Try again.

Like shop-lifting?... That's victimless, right?

 

[gerryh]

Like shop-lifting?... That's victimless, right?

:roll::roll:

 

[captain morgan]

how is careless smoking being the victim of a crime?

YOU pay increased rates based on actuarial analysis.

You enjoy kicking out extra monies for the stupidity of others?

Drunk driving is COMMITTING a crime.

Thanks for the clarity on that.... So, does that example then explain Cdn Bears comments about insurance companies assessing responsibility on people who are impaired due to their own actions?

Explain where insurance ever dings the VICTIM of an actual CRIME.

Nice selective logic... If you like, you can refer to the first comment I made about 'the innocent' paying higher premiums based on average costs to the insurance company overall.

Okay, well, I'm heading out the door but I'll give my closing statement before I go.


Trying to blame the girl, hold her 'responsible', for what someone else did to her while she was incapacitated, is based in the view that what they did wasn't a crime, whether you want to admit it or not. It's more of the type of minimization that CNN is being roasted for. It's an attempt to excuse abuse and victimization, and put the onus on women, to make sure criminals don't rape them. I don't know a single woman who at some point in her life, hasn't been vulnerable, and rapists count on that fact, and wait for those moments. Society's attitude about a woman's 'place' and her responsibility to protect herself, is why so many people can end up getting away with it.

Knowing that makes it really hard to sit and listen to someone attempt to minimize it.

So, that's what your argument comes down to, eh? Anyone that even whispers a question about the victim automatically is considered to be accusing the girl of being wholly responsible?

Thank Gawd that the legal system isn't founded on this style of McCarthy-ist principles akin to Napoleonic Code.

All I can say is that I deeply hope that for every person saying she had it coming, she bears blame, they 'just' did this or that, that she should fear for her life... that there are a multitude more listening to the evidence at hand and not excusing her victimization, or minimizing it. It serves our children poorly to pretend that there are times it's 'more okay' to commit a crime upon another person, especially upon another person's body.

Sad... Really sad.

There is not one single poster on CC, other than yourself, that has even mentioned that 'she had it coming'...

That is the last ditch resort comment of one that has no argument whatsoever.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

Like shop-lifting?... That's victimless, right?
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:roll::roll:

No answer, eh?

Thanks for coming out... I'll see if there's a consolation prize for ya.

 

[karrie]

There is not one single poster on CC, other than yourself, that has even mentioned that 'she had it coming'...

Show me the poster on CC who said she should fear for her life. It's pretty clear I was speaking about the societal reaction, not the CC debates.


As to the rest, yeah, you're grasping at straws trying to make weak comparisons to insurance payouts and other nonlinear comparisons.

Nowhere else does anyone try to excuse a criminal for being a criminal because their victim was an easy mark.

 

[captain morgan]

Show me the poster on CC who said she should fear for her life. It's pretty clear I was speaking about the societal reaction, not the CC debates.

Apparently it was only clear to you, and for the record, you are the only individual that has employed the phrase '... she had it coming'

If you don't have strength in your argument; fabricating emotionally charged statements and attributing them to others is simply cowardly and insulting to those to whom you direct the comment

As to the rest, yeah, you're grasping at straws trying to make weak comparisons to insurance payouts and other nonlinear comparisons.

You posted this in response to the comment that insurance companies hold people accountable for their actions:

How do insurance companies point the finger at victims of crimes?

You introduced the victim component here.. Neither Bear nor myself stated that 'she had it coming' (your words) or was responsible for the events that occurred... You read only what you wanted to hear and then let the fallacious assumptions pile-up as the base for the house-of-cards-argument that you still lean on.

So, you want a real-life insurance example: A cyclist in Calgary got nailed by a 1 ton cube van.. She died.. She was the victim.

No charges were ever laid against the driver... Why?... She decided to cut across Glenmore Trial (6 lanes at 80kph) for some dumbass reason.

The insurance companies did not pay out, nor was the perp charged because she was held responsible for her actions.

Good enough example for ya?

 

[shadowshiv]

Apparently it was only clear to you, and for the record, you are the only individual that has employed the phrase '... she had it coming'

Actually, it was quite clear to me that she was talking about the people that were personally involved in this case (ie, living in the town that the rape was committed in).

 

[karrie]

I never claimed you or Bear said that. The conversation carried on from where you and Bear left it, and I commented about those who said she had it coming, or that she should fear for her life, etc. Why are you focusing on the 'she had it coming' part of that comment?

So, you want a real-life insurance example: A cyclist in Calgary got nailed by a 1 ton cube van.. She died.. She was the victim.

No charges were ever laid against the driver... Why?... She decided to cut across Glenmore Trial (6 lanes at 80kph) for some dumbass reason.

The insurance companies did not pay out, nor was the perp charged because she was held responsible for her actions.

Good enough example for ya?

She was not the victim of a CRIME

 

[shadowshiv]

He became her brother in law.

Wow...that is absolutely mind-boggling. Perhaps after talking it over with you, she ended up telling her family? Of course, if I found out that someone had raped my sister, brother-in-law or not, I don't like to think what I would be capable of doing to him. My stomach churns just thinking of it.