Climate change: Carbon dioxide emissions reach record high

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Look, I know you have an aversion to honest discussion.

You don't have to continuously narrow the parameters of the conversation, to avoid uncomfortable realizations, to show it.

Way to shift the goal posts buddy.

No multi-quotes about how I was dishonest about AGW?

You're not even going to try and dig up something from 2010 again?

That's a shame.

You could have actually had a point or something.
 

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Way to shift the goal posts buddy.
LOL, says the guy that carries them around threads like a kid with a sparkler.

No multi-quotes about how I was dishonest about AGW?
That there is the whole issue, you narrowing of the entire scope of the issue, to one aspect.

Every time the conversation widens to discuss the whole picture, you do your damnedest to narrow it back down again.

Why are you so afraid of honest discussion on all the aspects of the topic?

You could have actually had a point or something.
Oh you made my point crystal clear.
 

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Well, it's clear you can't prove your earlier assertion that I can't have an honest discussion about AGW.

Check
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Mate.
 

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When the theory is 100% in the bag and there are no inconstancies, I'll accept non-monetary policy changes.

That's an unscientific thing to say. No theory will ever be 100% complete. Imagine all the needless deaths from disease if we waited for 100% certainty before enacting policies to reduce death and suffering. Only ideologues deal with issues in terms of absolute certainty.
 

petros

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That's an unscientific thing to say. No theory will ever be 100% complete. Imagine all the needless deaths from disease if we waited for 100% certainty before enacting policies to reduce death and suffering. Only ideologues deal with issues in terms of absolute certainty.
Until there is more the theory is lacking enough to convince me that monetary policies are the answer. I have nothing against policy in aspects of the knowns. If we know sulfer is creating an issue then I'm for reductions of sulfer but be damed if I'm going to pay for it.
 

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That's an unscientific thing to say. No theory will ever be 100% complete. Imagine all the needless deaths from disease if we waited for 100% certainty before enacting policies to reduce death and suffering. Only ideologues deal with issues in terms of absolute certainty.
Ok, but when we start talking about policy, we have to examine the entire picture.

I did some reading after you pointed out the German model.

I was impressed, but what we have being proposed here is not quite what they've done there.

They had preceding policies and major policy shifts, that made their advances and protected their standard of living. That have just not been addressed in North American politics.

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Oh oh, Fuzzy the troll can't handle a little truth.
 
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CDNBear

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And you can't handle one reddie? You're so bitter, rofl
How is me pointing out your inability to accept the truth about youself, bitter?

Is it as bitter as you and your boyfriend in the other thread?

Or is that something different?

Where your string puller gets to troll people, but when he gets trolled, you come to his rescue?

Because that's just not ok with you.

Are you even capable of a modicum of reason or critical thought anymore? Or has the substance abuse and ideological shackles so rendered your mind useless?

BTW: Nice dodge on the rest of that post of mine. Way to keep that narrow topic going. Gawd forbid you step outside your ideological shill box.
 
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They had preceding policies and major policy shifts, that made their advances and protected their standard of living. That have just not been addressed in North American politics.

Yes, they did, and no we have not. Germany represents a real world example, a model that could be copied in part or in whole depending on the similarity of the society that wishes to address the issue. There are roof-tops across Canada that are not capturing electricty or heat. That's a low-hanging fruit that is easy to address. As to our earlier conversation, incentives could make it more attractive.
 

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Yes, they did, and no we have not. Germany represents a real world example, a model that could be copied in part or in whole depending on the similarity of the society that wishes to address the issue. There are roof-tops across Canada that are not capturing electricty or heat. That's a low-hanging fruit that is easy to address. As to our earlier conversation, incentives could make it more attractive.
I absolutely agree.

A good start, which we have a small helping hand from the Feds is, rebates on solar power panels.

But in more dense urban and suburban areas, town by-laws are prohibitive.

There's a small policy shift that needs to be undertaken.
 

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There's a small policy shift that needs to be undertaken.

Sure. That's the kind of thing to discuss. Another could be changes to building codes.

Contrary to durpetey, the feed-in tariffs for renewables in Germany amount to $0.046 cents a kWh, which is only 12.6% of the current electric rate. Hardly the 600% mark-up. Also, since Germany embarked on their alternative energy policies, the cost of solar pV has come down by 50%.

What a maroon!
 

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Sure. That's the kind of thing to discuss. Another could be changes to building codes.
I've done a lot of work in structural over the years, what building codes would you be thinking of?

Contrary to durpetey, the feed-in tariffs for renewables in Germany amount to $0.046 cents a kWh, which is only 12.6% of the current electric rate. Hardly the 600% mark-up. Also, since Germany embarked on their alternative energy policies, the cost of solar pV has come down by 50%.
I looked into solar panels, even with the financial initiatives, I couldn't afford it.

It's also restricting the proponents from putting their money where their mouth is. If those who want it can't afford then this issue needs to be addressed.
Ton aside. The rest are hypocrites, full of hot air, who just pretend to be all green, cuz it's what all the cool kids are doing.
 
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Sure. That's the kind of thing to discuss. Another could be changes to building codes.

Contrary to durpetey, the feed-in tariffs for renewables in Germany amount to $0.046 cents a kWh, which is only 12.6% of the current electric rate. Hardly the 600% mark-up. Also, since Germany embarked on their alternative energy policies, the cost of solar pV has come down by 50%.

What a maroon!
Anus...do you know what retail and wholesale are?

Ton aside. The rest are hypocrites, full of hot air, who just pretend to be all green, cuz it's what all the cool kids are doing.
How many times have the cool kids been duped by going along to get along?
 

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How many times have the cool kids been duped by going along to get along?
I'm sure many times.

It isn't so much the fact that may have been duped. It's the fact that they're actively trying to dupe others, while they do less then those they chastise. Just so they can pretend to be cool.
 

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I've done a lot of work in structural over the years, what building codes would you be thinking of?

I looked into solar panels, even with the financial initiatives, I couldn't afford it.
Cheat and make your own.

Ton aside. The rest are hypocrites, full of hot air, who just pretend to be all green, cuz it's what all the cool kids are doing.
Thanks.
 

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Cheat and make your own.
Ya, I was told I could get plans on line to make my own solar panels. Quite frankly, I'm great with the metal work to hold them up. Not so much with the tech needed to build the actual panel and collection system.

Sorry, you come and go so often, I sometimes forget about. No offence intended though bud.