Clean water is a fundamental human right... Not according to Canada!

Machjo

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I am not against free trade.

However, I assure you... this is charity. This is not trade. Thinking logically about this I doubt Canada can provide water for many impoverished nations without footing the whole bill. So then that will mean money to help them update their sewerage and clean water facilities. Money that will be squandered on UN overhead and a balance will go to the government officials of these impoverished and as always spent on things other than what it was intended for. Some of it will trickle down to a village or two for a photo op.

If they can't provide their own safe drinking water, then they have very little to trade.

I'm not so much as a protectionist but I am becoming a bit more of an isolationist. Not a total isolationist but I think we should butt out a lot less than we have. We just don't have the money like we used to. We're in so much debt that we can't afford to keep flushing money away.

Well, if the government cut back on wasteful spending, then it could slowly but surely start paying off its debts, which in turn would help keep inflation and interest rates under control, which in turn would help to maintain the value of my after-tax money so that when I give it to a charity and the charity passes it on in one way or another to a community in need, the value of that money will not be devalued in the process. This is another way the government can help countries in need indirectly.

I think this is reasonable. I'm not even necessarily asking that the government reduce taxes (I know it can't afford to right now), but merely that it reduce spending. Is that really too much to ask for from the government?
 

taxslave

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I guess you would have to explain that to some of the members of the Canadian First Nations who still do not have safe clean water. The following article gives an example. Perhaps that is the real motive in abstaining. After all it might be a little awkward if the government of Canada actually had to ensure that all Canadians have clean water.
CBC News In Depth: Aboriginal Canadians
And who is stopping them from drilling their own wells? Other than expecting the government to pay(us taxpayers). The rest of us managed to create some kind of water systems for ourselves without government money.
I've worked on several rez sewer & water systems on the coast and there is no reason that we should have needed to do these with taxpayer money especially in the more remote ones where unemployment is in the 80% plus range and any change in job prospects is less than zero. It is not like there is a shortage of fresh water here. Simple economics dictates that these places should cease to exist just like many other communities have.
 

Omicron

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Who lives in the harbour? Or do people live far inland in places where you just can't drop off a tractor or bag of grain?

If you needed aid where you live would you walk to Vancouver to go get it? How would you get you new plow and bag of seed back to MB?

What good is aid if it is not distributable?
Their society broke down so only bullies get anything, and the bullies are too lazy to work.
 

Bar Sinister

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And who is stopping them from drilling their own wells? Other than expecting the government to pay(us taxpayers). The rest of us managed to create some kind of water systems for ourselves without government money.
I've worked on several rez sewer & water systems on the coast and there is no reason that we should have needed to do these with taxpayer money especially in the more remote ones where unemployment is in the 80% plus range and any change in job prospects is less than zero. It is not like there is a shortage of fresh water here. Simple economics dictates that these places should cease to exist just like many other communities have.

I expect people like you are preventing them, by objecting to the funding of a basic human necessity. But not to worry they are only a bunch of Indians.
 

GreenFish66

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In the Wild, survival of the fittest seems to be the way .All Life has/knows its place in the Food Chain ....Only time this doesn't hold true is at the Watering hole..

Are we Civilized Humans or are we Barbaric Animals?

Every living thing drinks water ...Only Few can create Clean Water...With such knowledge/Power isn't it only natural to share it/Create it?

" With Great Power comes Great Responsibility" - Spiderman's Uncle Ben..;)
 

taxslave

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No, but I have no problem knowing more than you.

In your unending ignorance you are missing the point.
There is no reason to be pouring billions of tax dollars into clean water systems in communities that have no chance of economic survival. I don't care what color of skin the residents have. These villages on the coast are remote. Air or water transport only. What they may have had for industry at one time has closed up and moved on. By keeping these places going all we are doing is creating another generation of dysfunctional welfare recipients, no different than many of the small villages in Newfoundland.
 

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In your unending ignorance you are missing the point.
There is no reason to be pouring billions of tax dollars into clean water systems in communities that have no chance of economic survival. I don't care what color of skin the residents have. These villages on the coast are remote. Air or water transport only. What they may have had for industry at one time has closed up and moved on. By keeping these places going all we are doing is creating another generation of dysfunctional welfare recipients, no different than many of the small villages in Newfoundland.



There is one reason for pouring billions into these systems; It is effective in providing a clear conscious for those that feel that money solves all problems.
 

AnnaG

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There is one reason for pouring billions into these systems; It is effective in providing a clear conscious for those that feel that money solves all problems.
BP, the owner of the oil that spilled in South Korea, and Enbridge (Battle Creek Michigan oil spill) would agree with you.
 

Bar Sinister

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In your unending ignorance you are missing the point.
There is no reason to be pouring billions of tax dollars into clean water systems in communities that have no chance of economic survival. I don't care what color of skin the residents have. These villages on the coast are remote. Air or water transport only. What they may have had for industry at one time has closed up and moved on. By keeping these places going all we are doing is creating another generation of dysfunctional welfare recipients, no different than many of the small villages in Newfoundland.


Apparently you also are missing the point. The treaties signed with aboriginal peoples in Canada required that the government of Canada provide a certain level of service. The fact that clean water was not an issue a century ago when these treaties were drawn up does not mean it is not now. Or are you trying to say that the problems of overcrowded and impoverished reserves is to make them so unpleasant that their inhabitants will flee them in desperation? If so it is not a solution that makes much sense to me. If you don't like the reserve system then propose to the Canadian government that it renegotiate the original treaties with the current inhabitants so that they have some chance of getting off the reserve if they so choose rather than forcing them into the closest urban centre where they simply become another neglected subculture.
 

petros

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No RO system even if it has UV will clean all water to safe standards....
Spank those who make it (water) dirty and then you don't have to complain about making it clean from your pocket.