Civil liberties group challenges 'draconian' Liberal election speech law

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Personally I'd fire the ass of any football player who antagonized my fan base for his own political or ideological reasons. That uniform is not yours, it's mine. That field is not your stage, it's mine. This stadium isn't your theater it's mine. if you want to act outside the rules of the entertainment system called 'football' in ways which harms my brand, get out and don't let the door hit your ass on the way.


And I think Trump is a moronic, narcissistic scumbag.



Again, I agree with what you've said. But even as a moron and narcissistic scumbag, he hasn't jailed anyone or fined anyone for their POV. Just sayin....
 

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Not too long ago a group of globull warming truthers tried to have a law passed to make climate change denial a crime. You know your position is weak when you require a law to make it the only possible position.
 

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You mean like Trumpites that think football players should be fired for making political statements? I agree.


JUST A REMINDER here that it is LIE-berals and their civil service union HOG allies.................................


who are working HARDEST TO IMPOSE CENSORSHIP on us...............................


for THEIR GREEDY BENEFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here is an article illustrating the remarkable ABUSE of the democratic process that our civil service union HOGS are engaged in - at OUR expense - and it is a disturbing illustration of the creeping political COUP that LIE-berals and their HOG allies are orchestrating against us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With some comments of my own in brackets):

CBC sues the Conservative party over copyright, 'moral rights' of journalists

By: Michael Higgins National Post

Published October 12, 2019

Justin Trudeau, Andrew Scheer are posing for a picture: Video excerpts from the English-language leaders' debate were among the materials the Conservatives used that the CBC found objectionable.© Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press

The CBC is suing the Conservative party, claiming its use of excerpts from the broadcaster violated the “moral rights” of news anchor Rosemary Barton and reporter John Paul Tasker.

(“Moral Rights”?? Sounds like SELF AWARDED HOG ENTITLEMENTS to me!! And whining about violation of “moral rights” SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT WAY TO throw mud on Scheer - WITHOUT having to actually PROVE anything!
We all have LEGAL Rights but “moral rights” are not legally recognized and thus any complaint will require ENDLESS legal wrangling and appeals to higher courts for definitions that will not be resolved till long after the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(CBC seems to have chosen this quick and DIRTY WAY of smearing Scheer as “IMMORAL” simply because it is a nasty sounding label that cannot be quickly disputed or resolved!! It looks to this cynic as if LIE-beral SMEAR tactics are evolving- one has only to think of the ATTACK on Patrick Brown in which vile allegations were made - in a form where NO RETALIATION could be made!!!!!!)

(Two women who CLAIMED that Brown sexually asaulted them made their accusations AT A TV STATION - to a reporter that one of the accusers was previously friendly with - and the media ran the story because it is the job of media to tell us important facts- except THERE ARE NO FACTS in what appears to be a POLITICALLY MOTIVATED smear job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(There are those who have said Brown should sue - but that takes years and will cost upwards of $100 grand - ALL out of Browns pocket - with the added bonus that his accusers own NOTHING so they will NEVER pay damages after losing - thus the attack on Brown SUCCEEDED by carefully taking advantage of multiple loopholes in our laws - most likely on gthe advice of a lawyer - just as CBC is apparently doing now trying to do to allegedly “immoral” Scheer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The excerpts — which included video taken at this week’s English-language leaders debate — were used on a Conservative party website and on Twitter.

(CBC CLAIMS to be our public broadcaster dedicated to bringing us important news so we may make informed choices - and yet CENSORSHIP of views the CBC HOGS do not like is THEIR PERSONAL and selfish CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

In the copyright infringement lawsuit, the CBC is asking for an injunction restraining the Tories from using the material as well as a declaration that the party “violated the moral rights of the applicants, Rosemary Barton and John Paul Tasker, who are the authors and performers of the copyright-protected material.”

Barton, co-anchor of The National program, and Tasker, CBC’s Parliamentary bureau reporter, are named along with the CBC as applicants bringing the action.
The action is being brought despite the material having been taken down from websites and deleted from Twitter.

(Yes- its dirty pool - it WILL NOT MATTER in a couple of weeks whether CBC is right or wrong in the eyes of the law -they GOT what they wanted- they smeared Scheer and wrecked a Conservative web site and ads - for the remainder of the election campaign !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

In a statement, the Conservatives said: “The Conservative party has grave concern that this decision was made on the eve of an election that CBC is to be covering fairly and objectively. The Conservative party considers this a complete distraction in the final days of a tightly contested election, and we will dispute this lawsuit fully.

“The video in question was removed from our platforms well before CBC lawyers made the decision to file their lawsuit.

(There is a strong argument to be made that Conservatives SHOULD NOT be compelled to take down the video and that it is CBC THAT IS IN THE WRONG!!
I believe that CBC has taken this legal action simply as a quick and easy way to HARASS SCHEER and the Conservative party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“The 17 seconds of CBC clips in the video included (Postmedia columnist) Andrew Coyne highlighting how Justin Trudeau broke the law, Justin Trudeau telling a Canadian war veteran that he is ‘asking for more than we can give right now,’ and one CBC reporter questioning why the Liberals provided Loblaws with $12 million in tax dollars to install new refrigerators.”

(IN other words CBC is objecting to its LIE-beral PALS being cast in a BAD LIGHT using their own words against them!! We can bet that if there was video of SCHEER being shown in that bad light - that CBC BIGOTS would let it be shown all over the internet!! Such is the BIGOTRY AND LIE-beral GREED of our times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

It adds, “When you are funded entirely by taxpayer dollars, taxpayers should be able to use the footage.”

(And THERE IS A MORE COMPELLING ARGUMENT - set forward by Cdn Law Professor Michael Geist- who has also commented on DELIBERATE CBC censorship in the 2015 election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

In a blog post, Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, said the Conservative party has a strong case for arguing “fair dealing” in use of the material.

The CBC’s “claim is based on an odd collection of unconvincing arguments, including the notion that clips from the debate might lead someone to think that the CBC is biased, contrary to its obligations under the Broadcasting Act,” he wrote.

(IN 2015, Geist commented that CBC was in violation of “fair use policy” - which means that political commentary IS NOT SUBJECT to the same copyright laws as other types of media!! Our democracy has evolved such rules to permit use of political comment for the purpose of EDUCATING the public regarding policies and ideas of our leaders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(After the 2015 election Professor Geist stated that CBC was using a deliberately distorted interpretation of “fair use” to CENSOR ANY VIEW that was hostile to LIE-berals!! I think that CBC HOGS have learned much from Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“Moreover, the claim over short clips over debate footage is enormously troubling, considering both the importance of broad dissemination of the debate and the fact that the debate involves little specific contribution for any individual broadcaster. CBC has an unfortunate history of overzealous use of copyright to stifle freedom of expression and that approach appears to have reared its head yet again as the 2019 campaign hits the home stretch.”

(Yes- LAW PROFESSOR Geist offers us an elegant condemnation of deliberate CBC CENSORSHIP and bigotry against Conservatives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The lawsuit alleges the offending material was used on a website run by the Conservatives called “Not as Advertised” as well as on Facebook and YouTube.

The CBC excerpts included material taken from The National when Barton interviewed Coyne in December 2017; a town hall event featuring Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau in January 2018; an excerpt from the Power & Politics program in April 2019; and a clip featuring commentary from Rex Murphy on The National taken in September 2016.

“The CBC material captures the skill and judgment of CBC journalists and producers,” says the lawsuit filed on Thursday.

(Oh!! “Skill and judgement” is apparently now LIE-beral speak meaning bigotry and deceit!!! CBC HOGS have NEVER made any secret of which party THEY support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The lawsuit says the use of the material in a partisan way “diminishes the reputation” of the CBC and leaves it open to allegations that it is biased.

(This is Hog ENTITLEMENT at its most GROTESQUE!! WE should ask why CBC presented the leaders debates in the first place - if for any other reason than to supply public information - EXACTLY according to the fair use policy that has governed such political discourse for centuries!! CBC DAMNS its own position by trying to HIDE FACTS AND STATEMENTS that it does not like - using BAD legal interpretations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“Further, selectively editing various news items together to present a sensational and one-sided perspective against one particular political party may leave a viewer with the impression that the journalists are themselves biased, contrary to their obligations to be ‘fair and balanced’,” it reads.

(I say CBC INSULTS OUR INTELLIGENCE HERE!! CBC presented the ENTIRE DEBATE!! Later- Conservatives selected certain moments from the debate to HIGHLIGHT LIE-beral faults!! LIE-berals WILL DO THE SAME - IF they can ever catch Scheer saying DUMB stuff like Our idiot Boy Justin!!!!!!!!!!!)

(I say CBC HOGS are essentially claiming the MORAL RIGHT to PROTECT Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals from the fallout of their own big mouths and stupid political choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Equality is a fine thing - but TYING THE HANDS and restricting the public comments of certain groups SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE SMARTER than LIE-berals and LIE-beral supporters IS NOT DEMOCRATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(The fact that CBC HOGS live or die according to which govt is in power and thus have a HUGE CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE - is a FINE REASON to savagely CUT BACK the CBC budget so their bigotry and greed will not further erode our democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 

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But they are biased! They don't simply "appear to be" biased, they are completely biased! Guess the truth hurts!
 

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But they are biased! They don't simply "appear to be" biased, they are completely biased! Guess the truth hurts!




The BIGGEST PROBLEM with TRUTH in this election campaign.........................................


is how many people HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY LIE-berals....................................


HOW TO MANIPULATE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals do NOT CARE about the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The ONLY CONCERN OF LIE-berals is how to get THEIR VERSION............................


accepted with LIMITED ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We should read the words of UNIFOR Jackass Jerry Diaz toi understand...............................


how fully LIE-berals and their allies are willing to MANUFACTURE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider::::::








Here is an article illustrating the LIE-beral concept of free speech- its just too bad that ONLY LIE-berals feel they should be allowed to speak freely!! Lieberals think the rest of us ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO LISTEN - POLITELY!!!!

With some comments of my own in brackets):

Scheer should know shrinking media hurts democracy

By Jerry Dias.

(OH yes- the UNIFOR goof who thinks democracy means having govt supplied jobs - FOR LIFE - is great one to lecture about democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Published: May 26, 2019. Updated: May 26, 2019 5:03 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

JERRY DIAS. I read the tweet, and did a double take.

Here was Conservative leader Andrew Scheer, Canada’s anti-progressive, media-bashing “Trump in the North,” railing against Unifor — Canada’s largest media union — for being invited to identify an expert to sit on a technical panel to define what constitutes quality journalism.

(I offer congratulations to Dias for spouting propaganda so foul it RIVALS that of ADOLF Hitler telling the world that Nazis had to invade Poland to protect Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The contempt in his tweet would have you think that Unifor, itself, was somehow responsible for administering a program that is a lifeline to struggling news organizations, many of which can barely keep the newsroom lights on.

(Oh yes- but IT IS Unifor that is BENEFITTING MOST from this shameless LIE-beral vote buying CRAP!! Firstly- Unifor joined with LIE-berals back in 2008 to openly HARASS the Harper govt for not throwing WAY MORE CASH at Cdn auto makers- who happen to EMPLOY ONLY Unifor HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Secondly it is Unifor that is screaming FOR EVEN MORE TAX DOLLARS to be dropped into the black hole that is General Motors- even as the company leaves Canada!! Yet Unifor is SILENT about the NEARLY THREE BILLION DOLLARS in CANCELLED DEBT to Gm and Chrysler that Our idiot Boy Justin WROTE OFF in early 2019!!!!!!!)

(Worst of all - now that LIE-beral efforts to RIG OUR ELECTIONS with electoral reform SCAMS have failed and now that LIE-beral efforts to SILENCE critics by using FASCIST limits on free speech by threatening to ARREST critics of ANY LIE-beral policy under ILL-DEFINED and open ended Islamophobia Hate Crime legislation- with LIE-berals NOT EVEN ABLE TO DEFINE Islamophobia as being anything other than statements they do not like- now LIE-berals are launching a new anti free speech offensive with the help of GROSSLY SELFISH HYPOCRITES LIKE DIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(It is true that much of Cdn news media is struggling financially! But that struggle is LARGELY OF THEIR OWN MAKING!! A big chunk of Cdn news media sees its primary job as PROMOTING LIE-beral party values!! And many Cdns simply REFUSE to PAY for propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And How ODD that for SEVERAL DECADES NOW - Conservative fund raising efforts have consistently OUT PERFORMED the LIE-beral version by a WIDE MARGIN!! And is it not odd that it was LIE-beral Jean Chretien who altered the political funding rules FOR HIS PARTIES BENEFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Chretien knew that as his third term was ending and Cdns were wildly OUTRAGED by the LIE-beral Adscam Theft of Three Billion Dollars of tax money- and that LIE-beral ability to fund raise and pay for the next election WOULD TAKE A HUGE HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(So in order to “balance” the playing field- meaning RIG the next election in favour of LIE-berals - Chretien arranged for TAX PAYERS to fund the parties in accordance with how many votes they got in the last election!! By this means Chretien POISONED the democratic process by artificially supplying cash to LIE-beral party in defiance of the mood of most Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Part of me understands Scheer is simply playing the new game of politics. I get it.

But I get angry at what this blatant, intentional mischaracterization means for October’s federal election campaign. I’m always up for a fair fight. Go ahead and criticize the government’s plan to protect Canada’s independent press. Let’s weigh the merits of this plan against another and have a healthy debate.

(Diaz says he wants a “fair fight”!! What arrant NONSENSE from a man who is caught up in a GROSS CONFLICT of interest!! Diaz is supporting Our idiot Boy merely in hope of getting MORE GRAVY -BY SELLING HOG VOTES!!!!!!!!!)

(If the owner of a private company offered raises in pay to his employees in exchange for Conservative support - LIE-berals like Diaz would SCREAM DOWN THE POLLING BOOTH!! Diaz hypocrisy is staggering in its crude deceit and insulting deceptions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

But trashing a plan with misstatements and half-truths, and no plan of your own, is a different kind of fight — one Canadians must not be willing to play.

(And WHY must Cdn tax payers be impoverished by LIE-berals who will use Carbon crap and trade tax scam cash to BUY JOBS FOR HOGS?? Why should Cdns BE FORCED to pay for news media they neither want nor BELIEVE!!!!!)

Scheer’s tweet circulated a satirical photo of elected Unifor officials taken in 2018, spoofing a controversial Maclean’s cover featuring Scheer, Doug Ford and a gaggle of Conservative Party cousins, billing them as “The Resistance.”

Scheer incorrectly stated Unifor officials have been “appointed to help decide” how new federal funds to support struggling news organizations will be distributed.

False.

(Diaz is right in a bass-ackwards way- HE IS FALSE in his statements about Scheer!! Such is the LIE-beral value system they think it is best to accuse the other guy first - and hope to muddy the waters with Fake News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The truth is this is an independent panel of technical experts, including journalists, to define the terms of quality and professional journalism — a task best left to professionals, not politicians. Figuring out what constitutes proper journalism is a necessary precondition to any financial support — lest we cut cheques to every basement-dwelling news blogger.

(How INSULTING Diaz is!! The blue ribbon panel that Diaz is talking about has quietly polled UNIFOR leaders and other HOGS to see how much GRAVY they WANT in return for their LIE-beral votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(If we set up a Commission of Ku Klux Klan members to judge black people -then Diaz would scream FOUL!! Yet Diaz smoothly INSULTS OUR in intelligence by claiming a pack of LIE-berals can be trusted to tell us about Conservatives!!!!!!!!)

Unifor, with a balance of seven other organizations, including journalist associations, worker organizations and media publishers -yes, the same ones who disproportionately endorse Conservative parties come election time, will recommend who can assist in these preliminary, technical discussions.

(Oh how CRUDE is that propaganda!! Cdn media stands CONVICTED of being biased in favour of LIE-berals!! Major brands such as Metroland media- owners of Toronto (RED) star newspaper simply avoid any view hostile to LIE-berals - UNLESS they can slant and distort and weaken that view!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Global News follows the Star approach- avoid where possible and then “claim” journalistic integrity” by making mention ONCE of LIE-beral scandals and then BURYING THEM in a flood of more positive news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And DIAZ quietly DECLINES TO MENTION that his blue ribbon panel now speaks for about 15,000 UNIFOR members employed in various LIE-beral friendly news media chains such as The Star and Gobal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(AS for CBC- our Communist Broadcasting Corp- they stand Convicted of using a DELIBERATELY SLANTED VERSION of “fair use policy” that ENSURED that CBC news commentators would never have to say anything in support of Conservatives during the 2015 election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The panel has until the end of July to offer its directional guidance, and then will disband.

(Uh huh - one group who knows what HOGS WANT - makes the choices and then slides out of sight while a second group with LESS OBVIOUS BIAS - actually hands out the gravy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(In related news - LIE-berals tellk us IT IS A LIE - that Toronto (Red) Star is getting $115 grand PER WEEK from the LIE-beral media slush fund - BUT - LIE-
berals REFUSE TO SAY just how much Toronto Star IS GETTING!! Should we guess IT IS MORE THAN $115 grand per week?????????????????)

A completely separate panel will then be responsible for allocating funds. Unifor will have absolutely no role on that panel, nor should we.

(Oh yes- the panel “WILL DISBAND”!! Right after it makes very clear to LIE-berals -exactly what policies LIE-berals MUST ENACT if they want to retain ANY civil service union HOG support for the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

There’s a lot at stake. More than 250 news outlets have either closed or merged in the last decade. Newspaper revenue dropped 64%.

Here’s what Scheer needs to understand: Losing news gathering capacity sucks the oxygen from our democracy and allows fake news to propagate.

(DIAZ LIES!! Many of us get our news online now!! From sources that DO NOT Cater to LIE-beral Fake News purveyors in exchange for gravy!! Fake News is gthe result of desperate LIE-beral efforts to cling to power and NOT from lack of news media!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Does Scheer really believe his own rhetoric? Does he really want to see the demise of our Fourth Estate?

(Diaz offers HIS VERSION of truth and justice - one that will ENSURE HIS UNION PROFITS AT OUR EXPENSE!! Diaz has all the honesty and sincerity of the old Soviet Mouthpiece mockingly called PRAVDA - TRUTH in Russian!!!)