Christians VS Democracy??

[peapod]

Uh huh...and has dexter has pointed out on occasion, its all in your head :wink:

 

[zenfisher]

Actually "their creator" could equally apply to their parentage. Thus, the state of being born American entitles you certain unalieable rights.

 

[pastafarian]

The dextrous dissertation was partly written in response to this, which I found while linking to something else.

A planned lecture by the Dalai Lama to United States scientists has caused controversy among neurologists. U.S. neurobiologist Nancy Hayes said this week she cannot support a non-scientist giving a lecture on research results in front of scientists.

The Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibetans, was invited to speak at the Annual Contest of the U.S. Society of Neuroscience after studies by U.S. scientists reached a conclusion that intensive meditating, as Buddhist monks practise it, could cause positive emotions.

The lecture is titled “Meditation Neurology” and the Dalai plans to talk about positive aspects of meditation.

However, 700 neuroscientists have signed a petition against the Dalai Lama’s lecture.

You'd think at this conference, these people'd be able to get their heads examined.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Well Rev, our Pledge of Allegiance is rather short and has reference to God.

The otigianl pledge did not contain reference to god, as has been pointed out to you many times on this board.

Here's an exerpt from the US Declaration of Independence ...

As I showed you with direct quotes from your founding fathers, the reference of a creatopr is in the Deist sense. They were not followers of your Christian gods.

 

[no1important]

Evangelicals protest new Air Force religion policy

WASHINGTON — Evangelical Christian groups, members of Congress and a senior military chaplain are pressing the Air Force to soften or drop its restrictions on public prayers and evangelizing in the armed forces.

The Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family and other Christian advocacy groups have deluged the White House and Pentagon with thousands of phone calls, letters and e-mail messages denouncing the Air Force guidelines as an infringement of religious freedom.

:roll: :roll: and :roll: Click link for rest of article.

 

[unclepercy]

Re: RE: Christians VS Democra

You could remove the excess magenta from the photograph in PhotoShop, Uncle.

It wasn't bothering me....and I don't have PhotoShop. I didn't realize my photo was being judged. :wink:

Uncle

 

[bormann]

"Religion is the opiate of the masses." -Karl Marx

"The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree? Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. `You eat this apple, you're going to be as smart as God. We can't have that'."
-Frank Zappa

"In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests." -Albert Einstein

"Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organisation be formed to lead or to coerce people along" - Jiddu Krishnamurti

 

[Ocean Breeze]

excellent quotes bormann. thanks......and welcome aboard.

 

[bormann]

RE: Christians VS Democra

Thanks for the warm welcome, Ocean Breeze.

Each Sunday, thousands of sheep are being pumped full of right-wing, McCarthyite pre-election propaganda. It seems that the Christian fundamentalists are embarrassed-as-hell that their good book's doomsday prophesies are five years late. Therefore, Steamin' Harper et. al. are forced to make a desparate grab for power with the hope of laying waste to civil society as we know it in Canada.

Yes, I worry that too many people in this country are considering "drinking the kool-aid" that the (neo)Conservative party are offering. Canada's not perfect, but hey, do we really need to flip into an irrational and intolerant society?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Yes, I worry that too many people in this country are considering "drinking the kool-aid" that the (neo)Conservative party are offering.

scary. I dread anything Harperism. He is a throwback.....and would reverse any progress.

I can just see him befriending the bushcroman to the south of us......and no one can predict the outcome of that one.

very worried too.

 

[no1important]

RE: Christians VS Democra

Harper is very scarey. We need to keep him and his neocon party out of office.

The conservative lovers will deny this but he would if he had a majority send us back to the stone age and ban abortion, ban ssm, get rid of health care, cut social programs etc.

Harper could be a dangerous man and he would send our troops too Iraq to commit astrocities along side the soldiers of the Bush Crime Family. After all Harper is a "W" wannabe and a crazed neocon christian like "W".

We do not need someone like that leading Canada after all if you want to see what Harper is like and what he would do, look no further than the war criminal south of the 49.

 

[bormann]

I can just see him befriending the bushcroman to the south of us......and no one can predict the outcome of that one.
very worried too.

Well, there's nothing wrong with having healthy relations with our neighbouring country, but the last Conservative regime we experienced in Canada sold off alot of our resources, sovereignty and identity to the U.S. Remember those T-shirts during the Mulroney years, the ones with the eagle humping the beaver? Well, that's a perfect symbol of the unhealthy relationship with the States under the PCs.

I can see that throwback aspect of Harper. The man has no positive vision for Canada. He essentially says: "Canada, as it is, sucks. Let's just be American."

Back when they called themselves the Alliance (the devil has how many names?), a local M.P. candidate asked voters to consider that they would each receive a $1 million payout if we sold the country to Uncle Sam.

I think the best thing for North America is to have a U.S. that is true to its core principles and a Canada true to its own. We can't have that with a far-right bias on both sides of the border.

Let's all grow up, and be reasonable about solving our nation's problems, one at a time. It will take a while and there is no quick fix. Oh, and God won't be sending any more of his children down to magically fix everything. We killed the last one he sent and then made a mockery of him with "Christian rock" and televangelists.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

good post..bormann. :thumbleft:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Christians VS Democra

Harper is very scarey. We need to keep him and his neocon party out of office.

The conservative lovers will deny this but he would if he had a majority send us back to the stone age and ban abortion, ban ssm, get rid of health care, cut social programs etc.

Harper could be a dangerous man and he would send our troops too Iraq to commit astrocities along side the soldiers of the Bush Crime Family. After all Harper is a "W" wannabe and a crazed neocon christian like "W".

We do not need someone like that leading Canada after all if you want to see what Harper is like and what he would do, look no further than the war criminal south of the 49.

that is exactly the perception I have of him too. He has the style (verbal etc) of the current neocon to the south of us......and that is even more scary.

 

[bormann]

Re: RE: Christians VS Democra

Harper could be a dangerous man and he would send our troops too Iraq to commit astrocities along side the soldiers of the Bush Crime Family.

Oh, you can bet your ass S.H. would be committing troops to the U.S. effort in Iraq. A wet-behind-the-ears leader like S.H. would not be able to hold up his own agenda at a bargaining table with the likes of Cheney, Rice, et. al. He would be awestuck, simply along for the ride. How far would he go though? Hopefully not a draft, sending young, bright Canadians to the meatgrinder.

With that committment will come the same fate as Madrid and London.

A vote for the conservatives is a vote for a retaliatory terror attack on Canadian soil.

The current global firestorm we live in is no time to gamble on experiments like Harper. Let's keep our experienced statespeople on the front lines of international diplomacy, at least until the storm subsides.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

ANYONE but Harper !!! WE just cannot afford to take the risk.

With that committment will come the same fate as Madrid and London.

A vote for the conservatives is a vote for a retaliatory terror attack on Canadian soil.

absolutely.......and he is too naive to comprehend that complexity......

 

[bormann]

RE: Christians VS Democra

I'll vote for the party that commits to bailing out our country's financially-strapped students. Canada can afford to subsidize post-secondary education like they do in the Netherlands and Sweden. That would be an investment in a more civil, reasonable, and empowered society.

All any of our parties seem to do at the moment is throw money at patch-up programs to fix yesterday's problems. Our universities are full of visionaries. Let's tap that as a primary resource in this country.

As the old saying goes: every dollar spent on schools is one less spent on prisons.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Christians VS Democra

I'll vote for the party that commits to bailing out our country's financially-strapped students. Canada can afford to subsidize post-secondary education like they do in the Netherlands and Sweden. That would be an investment in a more civil, reasonable, and empowered society.

All any of our parties seem to do at the moment is throw money at patch-up programs to fix yesterday's problems. Our universities are full of visionaries. Let's tap that as a primary resource in this country.

As the old saying goes: every dollar spent on schools is one less spent on prisons.

Like your THINKING. Good job..!!

 

[#juan]

I read the early part of this topic and thought about it before I posted. It seems the topic has evolved a bit but in any case here is my two cents worth.

I am sure ancient religion formed the basis for most of our laws. I'm sure all religions have a version of the golden rule. Our laws don't state that "we shall not kill" or "shall not steal" but it is a given that at some point, earlier men decided that it wasn't good for society to go around killing and robbing each other. Adultery was probably frowned apon by most because it could lead back to that killing again. When it comes right down to it, most(not all) laws are based on common sense. I don't have the original stone tablets in front of me but I think we can find a law that pertains at least to the general idea of most of the ten commandments. British Common Law also has roots that relate to earlier religious ethic, Roman law, Hammurabi, etc. It's not a simple subject.

 

[..35]

Hey - The Conservative Party of Canada closely aligned with christianity isn't it?

Does anyone have any links about how christian they are and what their policies on religion and politics are? I looked at their site and don't see anything.