Christian Nation?
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I don't see how that entitles us to ignore the OT.pastafarian said:
Don't see satanism in your list. How does it phrase the Golden Rule? Humanism's not a religion, BTW.
Quibble, quibble. I cut and pasted it as is, though personally I see religions as metaphysical/ethical systems in general so that perspective includes Humanism along with the others, just minus a God-concept. But if you're objecting to the theistic connotation of "religion" I stand corrected, but then Zen Buddhism and Confucianism don't require any supernatural beliefs either...
From the Church of Satan website, 'Commandment' #4:
pastafarian said:
That would have been my next comment. I associate religion with belief in at least one supernatural being, and surely most other people do too, don't you think? You appear to have redefined the word to mean any philosophical position, which will lead to much avoidable confusion in conversations with you about religion. Life would be simpler if you'd use words as they're commonly understood.
Let's throw aside, enlightenment, scientific reason, hell reason in general and try to turn back time to the middle ages. Sounds good to me... Can we also go around in armour, burn heratics, and have 96% of the population as serfs, persicute jews and other religions... hmmm sounds like a smart idea to me.
I'm happy knowing that many things prevent this from happening, not only the things I mentioned in my very first sentance, but also a few older things, such as religous differances between, lets say the Catholic Church, Orthadox and Prods which have seperated them for hundreds of years and lead to masacurers in the past. Another things stoping this is nationalism, which I would say on a primitive level is stronger then religion in itself. So yes I sleep tonight knowing very well such a confederation can't and will never happen.
I'm happy knowing that many things prevent this from happening, not only the things I mentioned in my very first sentance, but also a few older things, such as religous differances between, lets say the Catholic Church, Orthadox and Prods which have seperated them for hundreds of years and lead to masacurers in the past. Another things stoping this is nationalism, which I would say on a primitive level is stronger then religion in itself. So yes I sleep tonight knowing very well such a confederation can't and will never happen.
nelk said:
Well then, if that be the case, then it would not be a sin if I were to murder my neighbour, shank his wife and steal his car...after all, according to you, the laws set out in the ten commandments are over 3000 years old, and are no longer applicable...
Oh what fun... :twisted:
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Yeah, and who's had more wars with each other than Christian Scotland & Christian England (over whether the crown would be Catholic or Protestant)
They were serving two masters. Were they really Christians, or Scots and Englishmen?
and Christian France under Napoleon invading just about every other Christian country in Europe
Again, really Christian or worshipping the French state?
or the U.S. Civil war fought between the Christian Northern States and the Christian Southern States,
Busy woshipping their ideologies.
or the Christian U.S. in invading just about every Christian country in Central and South America not to even mention invading Christian Canada in 1812.
Again, busy worshipping the state over the LORD.
Yeah, we need more Christian countries like Jonestown needs more Kool-Aid.
If they all practiced Christianity, there would only be one nation across Europe, the Americas, much of Africa, South Korea and otehr parts today. that would be a massive nation. And maybe Lebanon would be included too.
Lord, save us from fools and Christians (and please excuse the redundancy).
So kind of you. Showing a little respect never hurts.
Yeah, and who's had more wars with each other than Christian Scotland & Christian England (over whether the crown would be Catholic or Protestant)
They were serving two masters. Were they really Christians, or Scots and Englishmen?
and Christian France under Napoleon invading just about every other Christian country in Europe
Again, really Christian or worshipping the French state?
or the U.S. Civil war fought between the Christian Northern States and the Christian Southern States,
Busy woshipping their ideologies.
or the Christian U.S. in invading just about every Christian country in Central and South America not to even mention invading Christian Canada in 1812.
Again, busy worshipping the state over the LORD.
Yeah, we need more Christian countries like Jonestown needs more Kool-Aid.
If they all practiced Christianity, there would only be one nation across Europe, the Americas, much of Africa, South Korea and otehr parts today. that would be a massive nation. And maybe Lebanon would be included too.
Lord, save us from fools and Christians (and please excuse the redundancy).
So kind of you. Showing a little respect never hurts.
Re: RE: Christian Nation?
I never said you had to agree with me. As for homosexuals, I never jusdged their character once. yes, god gives us all tests. For homosexuals, it's homosexuality (just my belief, not imposing it here). For me, it's heterosexuality and living in a society surrounded by beautiful women, drugs, alcohol, gambling, nationalism and other vices. Does that necessarily make me a bad person? No. It just means that I have to face all of this every day. As to what I do about it is a nother matter. No one forces me to sleep around, take drugs, drink like a fish, go to San Fran to gamble, get cought up in nationalism, etc. I'm sure plenty of homosexuals might be the most faithful Christians around in fact. that's all I have to say on that.
Kreskin said:Crusader said:Kreskin said:
please do not make assumptions about me.
1. I do not take the Bible literally as a science tex; I take it, rather, as a legal text.
2. Please try to show a tad more respect in the discussion. Tackle the issue, not the poster. thanks a million
I tackled THE issue. I'm not the one claiming homosexuality is a test of one's character. I tend to believe everyone deserves respect, the ability to live their lives and be who they are without a group running them down, judging their character, or working in an organized fashion to deny them the rights to be happy - especially when their actions and lives having nothing to do with members of that group.
Try and show a little more respect for people who don't believe the same things you do. There are members of this board who don't appreciate your judgment of their character.
I never said you had to agree with me. As for homosexuals, I never jusdged their character once. yes, god gives us all tests. For homosexuals, it's homosexuality (just my belief, not imposing it here). For me, it's heterosexuality and living in a society surrounded by beautiful women, drugs, alcohol, gambling, nationalism and other vices. Does that necessarily make me a bad person? No. It just means that I have to face all of this every day. As to what I do about it is a nother matter. No one forces me to sleep around, take drugs, drink like a fish, go to San Fran to gamble, get cought up in nationalism, etc. I'm sure plenty of homosexuals might be the most faithful Christians around in fact. that's all I have to say on that.
Re: RE: Christian Nation?
Not quite. The Gospel also teaches to obey ones government. Now certainly if a Christian government came to be and Mosaic Law were applied, then I'd abide by the Law. Until then, of course, God teaches me to obey my government. May I suggest you read the Gospels a little more.
Dexter Sinister said:
Not quite. The Gospel also teaches to obey ones government. Now certainly if a Christian government came to be and Mosaic Law were applied, then I'd abide by the Law. Until then, of course, God teaches me to obey my government. May I suggest you read the Gospels a little more.
Interesting thread we have here.
But, hum, Pope Urban II was the one to authorise the First Crusade!
But, hum, Pope Urban II was the one to authorise the First Crusade!
Re: RE: Christian Nation?
I know; "Render unto Caesar" and all that, clearly implying that government and religion are separate authorities dealing with different subjects. How do you square that with your original claim that you can't be both a Canadian and a Christian? And I have read the Gospels, more than once and very carefully, but my interpretation of them is tempered by something other than religious belief.Crusader said:
Fornicate the christians, this is 2006, how long will we argue about bullshit, and the arguement always goes the same way, always has and always will, this is a subject that's long past it's solution. It is and has ever been a crime against humanity.
Crusader, has it entirely escaped your notice that when societies combine religious and secular authorities in the same institutions, the results are generally pretty nasty tyrannies?
Couple of points for Dexter Sinister:
[/quote]You appear to have redefined the word to mean any philosophical position, which will lead to much avoidable confusion in conversations with you about religion.
[/quote]You appear to have redefined the word to mean any philosophical position, which will lead to much avoidable confusion in conversations with you about religion.
Crusader, has it entirely escaped your notice that when societies combine religious and secular authorities in the same institutions, the results are generally pretty nasty tyrannies?
know; "Render unto Caesar" and all that, clearly implying that government and religion are separate authorities dealing with different subjects
Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.
pastafarian said:
I was pretty sure somebody'd try that one on, but I didn't expect it to be you. You can think better than that. No it hasn't escaped my knowledge, but that's utterly irrelevant to what I said. Combined secular and religious authority is often a sufficient but not a necessary condition for tyranny. You're trying to twist it the other way around. Elementary logic: A causes B doesn't mean B causes, or even requires, A; B may have multiple causes.