China's economic shift set to throw the West off-balance

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China's economic shift set to throw the West off-balance

China’s new leadership is trying to create a shift in its economy from low-wage, investment-driven growth to a consumer economy driven by domestic demand and when that change happens, the rest of the world will have to change too.

That’s the message Stephen Roach is trying to deliver, with some urgency, in his book Unbalanced: The Codependency of America and China.

“To the extent that Canada, Australia, Brazil and other resource-based economies are counting on China to stay the course of open-ended resource demand, you could be in for a rude awakening,” says Roach, a former chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia who is now at Yale’s Jackson Institute for Global Affairs.

China’s new leadership is trying to create a shift in its economy from low-wage, investment-driven growth to a consumer economy driven by domestic demand and when that change happens, the rest of the world will have to change too.

That’s the message Stephen Roach is trying to deliver, with some urgency, in his book Unbalanced: The Codependency of America and China.

“To the extent that Canada, Australia, Brazil and other resource-based economies are counting on China to stay the course of open-ended resource demand, you could be in for a rude awakening,” says Roach, a former chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia who is now at Yale’s Jackson Institute for Global Affairs.

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Roach argues the rest of the world has become dependent on China’s high-growth model, with resource economies such as Canada’s growing faster than the rest of the world after the financial crisis because of demand for raw materials from China.


Children wearing masks against pollution as they walk home after school in Beijing, China in February. A growing middle-class means higher expectations.(Ng Han Guan/Associated Press)
But Chinese wages are no longer the lowest in the world and, with millions lifted out of poverty, the Chinese are adapting to a middle-class level of comfort. That means higher expectations among people, for social and labour mobility and quality of life, a change the leadership may not yet be prepared for.
Chinese leaders are under pressure to replace a growth model based on exports and investment that delivered three decades of rapid expansion but has run out of steam. Chinese premier Li Keqiang has promised more private investment and greater reliance on domestic consumption as exports continue to fall.

Challenge for Canada's resource economy
“China is about to create the biggest middle-class the world has ever seen and that’s a huge opportunity for other countries to export into," Roach says in an interview with CBC's The Lang & O'Leary Exchange.

"For a resource-based country like Canada, there’s a special challenge. As China moves from manufacturing to services, services require far less resources per unit of GDP,” he says.

In his book Unbalanced, Roach argues that China and the U.S. are codependent, with the U.S. reliant on China for cheap capital, cheap goods and demand for treasuries. China is a big holder of U.S. bonds as it seeks to invest its current account surplus.

“We’ve gotten ourselves into a quagmire because this has kept us mired in a sluggish recovery with a shortage of savings while China has a mirror image of the problem – too much exports, too much of a foreign account surplus, excess foreign exchange reserve and lots of imbalances in their country from excess resource consumption to environmental degradation,” Roach says.

Both China and the U.S. have to learn to better manage their economies, he says.

Encourage savings in America
He makes a case for American leaders to stop stimulating consumer consumption with their fiscal policies and start giving incentives to save. Roach is critical of the Fed's loose monetary policy and believes American families should be saving more of their income.

“If we focused our policies more on providing incentives to save, we could reinvest that saving in spending on infrastructure, human capital, research and development and new capacity,” he says.

Americans consume beyond their means, with their level of purchases outstripping their improved income for the past 20 years. The financial crisis helped expose the damage this is doing, Roach says.

As China shifts to domestic consumption, there won’t be another superpower to provide the U.S. with capital or finance U.S. debt, he argues. That capital could be coming from American savings, he says.

“We’ve got to really focus on rebuilding competitiveness. You can’t do that if you don’t save,” he says.

China's economic shift set to throw the West off-balance
 

coldstream

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China is about to create the biggest middle-class the world has ever seen and
that’s a huge opportunity for other countries to export into," Roach says in an
interview with CBC's The Lang & O'Leary Exchange

China will never do that if it continues to base its economy on foreign consumption of domestically based prodution.

That's the other side of the equation of the Free Market West's domestic consumption of foreign produced product. That has destroyed their Middle Class and works solely to the benefit of a trading oligarchy.. immensely enriching a few and impoverishing the rest on both sides of that equation.

Both China and West can only succeed if they base their economies on developing integrated national industrial economies that serves domestic markets first and foremost.. with trade relationships developed on the basis of equtable distribution of wealth, trade balance respecting each other's technical and resource advantage and maintainenance of full employment.

Global Free Markets will NEVER work. They will just produce another Great Depression and another World War.
 
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petros

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They will eventually own our farms too.

Nope CPP is gobbling up farmland driving the prices up too high for profitable investment from foreign interests and securing food for Canadians.

My land has gone from $160K a section 7 years ago to $1M a section today with record crops over the past decade to top it all off. Nobody is getting out like they were 10 years ago. The money is too good.

The good money is contract crops with whichever foreign interest bids the highest which means a lower but guaranteed sale with no shipping costs.

And our lakes - wild rice is next on the menu!

Sell what's in the dug outs. Salamanders and all.
 

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A manufacturing base is absolutely necessary for Canada. Hewers of wood and carriers of water for the world won't work for Canada. I live in the middle of a forest of fine furniture wood, It's being chipped and shipped to the orient, we have no value added industries, we are stupid and we will suffer further until we manufacture goods, at least the stuff you'll find in every house in North America, like goddamned kitchen tables and chairs.
 

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China is emerging into a modern economy and their middle class will be able to
compete for food water and oil around the world. The days of cheap food will soon
be over as we all compete for quality food.
Many in the west Canada and the USA do not realize their food bills will double in a
few years and the way the economy is producers will be selling food off shore for
much higher prices and if they insist of cheap food they will end up with whats left
over.
 

darkbeaver

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The unipolar world is already dead, sure it's still twitching and stumbling arround the chopping block, but it's got no head you see, a little more blood pumping and it tips over into the pot. hahahaha

The international communitists can kiss my buttocks
 

darkbeaver

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Developing nations are living nations, the west is full of dead stagnant nations rooted in an economic mire so thick they cannot survive extraction, indeed they aren't supposed to.
 

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Looking at most people that live there it will always be a developing nation.

That is just an excuse to give China a pass. China is a highly modernized country and it capabilities are enormous. Its industrial, technology, and military capabilities are second only to the US and that will change. Because the average Chinese citizen has a lower standard of living than those in the Western countries has no bearing on the capabilities of China.

You fail.
 

petros

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Take a trip outside of the cities and towns of Canada.....low and behold at 147 years you'll find we too are a developing nation.

It's kinda hard to take word of someone whose only experience with rural Canada is a trip to a Provincial park.
 

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That is just an excuse to give China a pass. China is a highly modernized country and it capabilities are enormous. Its industrial, technology, and military capabilities are second only to the US and that will change. Because the average Chinese citizen has a lower standard of living than those in the Western countries has no bearing on the capabilities of China.

You fail.

What good is having first world status if most of the people are living in third world conditions?

And I don't disagree with you that it is no excuse for the state. It's entirely the state's fault most of the people live poorly.

If anything I agree that the Chinese government needs to address the problem and take full responsibility for pollution and poor living standards.
 

petros

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Have you travelled anywhere in Canada? The first World crap is just that. Crap. We too are a developing nation.