China hammers U.S. goods with tariffs as ‘sparks’ of trade war fly

[petros]

We export $20B of grain, oil seed and pulse already. Another $12B in meat, fruit and veg.

We still have over 2,000,000 hectare that could be crops.

 

[White_Unifier]

We export $20B of grain, oil seed and pulse already. Another $12B in meat, fruit and veg.

We still have over 2,000,000 hectare that could be crops.

We should open our borders to let more mouths into the country.

 

[petros]

They are open to anyone who meets criteria.

 

[White_Unifier]

They are open to anyone who meets criteria.

We should make it tougher for a person to get citizenship and maybe even permanent residency, but make it easier for a person to study, work, or do business in Canada visa-free. We want them to work, not suck off the public tit.

Also, we should eliminate dual citizenship.

 

[petros]

We already are the toughest country to get into.

Refugees are all about image but you have to bring something to the table to immigrate through regular channels.

 

[White_Unifier]

We already are the toughest country to get into.

Refugees are all about image but you have to bring something to the table to immigrate through regular channels.

Refugees should be allowed in only under two conditions:

1. They are found by a judge to be refugees as per the UN Convention on refugees, or

2. They can support themselves and, to be fair, we'll allow them to study, work, or do business in Canada visa-free on their own dime.

For anyone else, if they can't get permanent residency, we should still allow them to work or do business visa-free though.

And we should encourage other states to reciprocate.

 

[petros]

Have you been to a University recently?

 

[White_Unifier]

Have you been to a University recently?

No, why? If you're referring to the number of international students, each one of them who is not at least a permanent resident needs either a refugee identification card or a student visa. International education in Canada is not visa-free. That's just unnecessary bureaucracy as far as I'm concerned. If the person isn't costing the Canadian taxpayer money, then let them in.

 

[Curious Cdn]

You just said that you're too concerned about large corporations getting too rich. Is that not a question of the haves and the have nots? So, are yo too concerned about excessive concentration of wealth or not? If so, then introduce a personal accumulated-wealth tax of around 20% and lower incomes taxes. Problem solved.

If you're not so concerned about that, then where's the problem? Either way, you haven't convinced me of the harms of free trade.



Believe it or not, some good could come out of that. Canadian society has become way too liberal for its own good. If you look at successful states like Singapore, they may be democratic, but conservatively so and not excessively liberal.

We need to return to good-old values ... burning heretics at the stake, workhouses for the bankrupt and their children, brothels for those dipping widows, votes for the landowning males, only, enslaving lesser races. You're right. We need to roll back all of this liberalism and return to the time when men were men. We're soft! We need to get more like the tough guys south of our border.

 

[AncientMuse]

The US is now the largest consumer market on the planet. They bypassed China a handful of years ago according to world stats.

So basically what we have going on here is the planet's largest consumer market (the US) going up against the world's largest production market (China).

Three guesses on who wins in that kind battle.... pfft.



The guy should've stuck with real estate and tv reality shows because apparently he failed Economics 101.... bigly.

 

[White_Unifier]

We need to return to good-old values ... burning heretics at the stake, workhouses for the bankrupt and their children, brothels for those dipping widows, votes for the landowning males, only, enslaving lesser races. You're right. We need to roll back all of this liberaism and return to the time when men were men. We're soft! We need to get more like the tough guys south of our border.

What? I'll ignore most of your sarcasm, but let's consider. Is it wise public policy for the government to exploit the mentally ill by opening casinos and then not helping them out of their gambling addiction? In Ontario at least, sure a gambler can put himself on a self-exclusion list, but all Ontario casinos do is rely on unreliable facial recognition cameras to recognize people on the list. In Singapore, everyone needs to scan his ID on entering a casino. If a person is on the list, he's not getting in.

Consider prostitution. Patrick Carnes had done research in eighties showing that many buyers of sexual services have often suffered emotional, physical, or sexual abuse as children themselves and other research has shown that it's common for sellers of such services to suffer trauma of their own too. In other words, we're dealing with the mentally ill buying sex from the mentally ill. How does decriminalizing the sex trade help them? I'm not saying we should throw buyers in jail, but the French model (based on the Swedish model of criminalizing the buying of sex but limiting the punishment to a heavy fine that doubles for the second offence and compulsory sex-addiction education for a first offence) helps to reduce demand for prostituted persons and victims of human trafficking.

Much crime now occurs anonymously through remote technology. Requiring people to register their prepaid SIMs can help the police to find leads in major crime investigations especially when it comes to trafficking investigations.

The death penalty for narcotics trafficking helps to deter the exploitation of the most vulnerable members of our society.

Addicts and others among the mentally ill often just cannot handle excesses of liberty.

The US is now the largest consumer market on the planet. They bypassed China a handful of years ago according to world stats.

So basically what we have going on here is the planet's largest consumer market (the US) going up against the world's largest production market (China).

Three guesses on who wins in that kind battle.... pfft.



The guy should've stuck with real estate and tv reality shows because apparently he failed Economics 101.... bigly.

And the US exports many agricultural products to China. US farmers will suffer:

China hammers U.S. goods with tariffs as 'sparks' of trade war fly | CBC News

I'm sure US boars and sows are very happy about the news.

 

[Danbones]

China won't accept us gmos.


there are dozens of nations that prohibit the cultivation of GMO crops, though estimates vary. For example, a 2013 article in the Nation states that 26 countries had total or partial bans on GMOs, “including Switzerland, Australia, Austria, China, India, France, Germany, Hungary, Luxembourg, Greece, Bulgaria, Poland, Italy, Mexico and Russia,” and that “significant restrictions on GMOs exist in about sixty other countries.” In 2015, anti-GMO group Sustainable Pulse said that 38 countries ban the cultivation of GMO crops.
https://gmo.geneticliteracyproject.org/FAQ/where-are-gmos-grown-and-banned/

 

[Curious Cdn]

The US is now the largest consumer market on the planet. They bypassed China a handful of years ago according to world stats.

So basically what we have going on here is the planet's largest consumer market (the US) going up against the world's largest production market (China).

Three guesses on who wins in that kind battle.... pfft.



The guy should've stuck with real estate and tv reality shows because apparently he failed Economics 101.... bigly.

Ummmmm


What?

US consumers just recently bipassed Chinese consumers?

In which alternate universe did this occur? I'm trying to remember that heavy consumerism of the Chinese during the days of Mao that the Americans just recently caught up to and passed .....

 

[White_Unifier]

Ummmmm


What?

If you don't believe the US is the largest consumer market on the planet, just put a typical US McDonald's supersize portion on a scale. Alternatively, just measure the circumference of a typical US belly.

 

[Curious Cdn]

If you don't believe the US is the largest consumer market on the planet, just put a typical US McDonald's supersize portion on a scale. Alternatively, just measure the circumference of a typical US belly.

I don't believe that they somehow just passed the Chinese ... in wonton consumption?

The US has been the largest consumer market on the planet for at least a century ... probably longer.

 

[Twila]

CHINA is a leftist slave plantation...and MF is cheering for them.

by extension, your posting in this thread is also cheering them on.

 

[White_Unifier]

Ah, maybe that's Trump's plan all along. If the US population is too fat, just make imports more expensive. Then consumers will have to reduce portion sizes. Trump is a genius.

 

[taxslave]

So why not just promote more open borders and freer movement of people. That way, Canadians who want to work abroad can do so more easily if the overseas opportunities are so stellar?

As far as I'm concerned, we should eliminate all corporate taxes except maybe a corporate tax of 1/3 of net profits on any business that sells non-prescribed addictive products and services (alcohol, nicotine, gambling including lotteries, massage parlours, etc.), extracts natural resources, or husbands animals. essentially, any corporate tax should serve as a sin tax and nothing more.

That would just push wages outside of government employees down when an influx of poor foreigners come here.

There is only one way to "Save" the Working Class.

We need a line up of 250 thousand "Peaceful Radicals", like those who marched in opposition to the Vietnam War in the 1960's and 70's. Just as determined as those Palestinians we are seeing in TV-Land today for the "Right Of Return".

They need to slow down all freight rail traffic across North America by walking slowly along the tracks.
80 percent of all goods and services are transported by rail and frieight railways travel through the center of every city in North America. There is no need for travels to Washington/Ottawa or State/Provincial Capitals.

They might choose to Jay-Walk at anytime of their choosing within the community and slow down roadway transportation routes.

When I was laid off in 1982, I organized my own protest and my own media appearances in TV-Land, and told anybody who cared to listen that I was going to travel to Ottawa and ask Pierre Trudeau to tell my 2 kids (one born a month after my job loss) why I could not feed them. After my protest, I had 5 offers for a job.

People just gotta get real! People need to become active! People need to take their anger to the streets.

And ..... forget all this propaganda about Non-Violence.

Give me any instance in the history of mankind where the Ruling Class ever gave the Lower Class anything without the threat of violence?

There are no instances.

All the changes and social advances "EARNED" were because of "Violent Protests".

All the social programs introduced during the 70's was because the Ruling Class were under threat.

Before 1970, there were no community colleges, and only the rich were educated at universities as an example.

Our own government practices violence every day and in several countries around the globe in order to get what they want.

Oh! The government is lucky to have the media behind them to colour the violence so it appears to be helping some poor ol' lady in distress, but it is still violence.

And yet we cry foul when an ordinary citizen chooses violence.

Propaganda always lists the names of MLK, Gandi and South Africa, but nobody reads the historical content.

Demanding "Change" is far more complicated than we often admit.

There must be a "Good Cop" and "Bad Cop" routine amongst the protest groups.

When Martin Luther King was preaching peace, there were riots and violence happening all over the country.

Violence was used extensively throughout the course of the anti-apartheid struggle.

Gandhi famously called poverty "the worst form of violence".

"In 1947, Gandhi said, "If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British.""
http://www.gandhism.net/gandhi-propaganda.php

"More relevant are the facts of Indian history: non-violence worked only alongside widespread violence, including riots, across the subcontinent; and independence only came after mutinies within the Royal Indian Navy and the armed resistance of the Indian National Army (not to mention several world wars that overtaxed the British treasury and destroyed the fiscal basis for direct empire)."

"There were two main trends or tendency within the African-American Freedom Movement of the Sixties (and other Freedom Movements inspired by it).

One was the non-violent resistance exemplified by King and Rosa Parks.

The other was the militant, in-your-racist-face resistance of Robert Williams, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers (who, of course, originated in Oakland).

It's interesting but not surprising that the former gets all kinds of validation in the schools and holidays today while the other is scarcely mentioned or honored if at all.

I believe Malcolm said it straight-out in his visit to Selma speaking to the southern racists: "If you don't want to deal with King, you're going to have to deal with people like me."

And his words were already starting to be backed-up by urban rebellions."

"In any case, King and Malcolm, despite their different ideologies and approaches, appreciated the value of each other. They were like a "good-cop"/"bad-cop" routine against the ruling elite, without which the achievements in the ways of Civil Rights during that era would not have come about."

SO does that mean we can shoot worthless Leftard so that protest our jobs?

We should make it tougher for a person to get citizenship and maybe even permanent residency, but make it easier for a person to study, work, or do business in Canada visa-free. We want them to work, not suck off the public tit.

Also, we should eliminate dual citizenship.

We don't need foreigners with no education to come here to work. That will not help us at all.

 

[Cannuck]

We don't need foreigners with no education to come here to work. That will not help us at all.

Of course it will. We are desperately short of farm labourers (as but one example). Not every farmer has a "Petros" available.

 

[captain morgan]

SO does that mean we can shoot worthless Leftard so that protest our jobs?

Fair's fair I guess

I agree. Trump is launching a trade war against everyone, China against the US. China is still hurting itself by playing this foolish game, but Trump is causing far more damage to his country than China is to its.

If China's strategy is to play a game of chicken with the US to see which side can tolerate the most economic pain before blinking, China will win unless the US is really foolish. Like you said, at least China can trade with the rest of the world.

Both nations are fully dependent on each other.

They either rise or they fall together