China Digging Even More Coal

[Bar Sinister]

I do get it. I am afraid you are just drinking the China Kool-Aid. They can start as many projects as they want... they are still ADDING coal plants. That Kool Aid you are drinking is to blind you from the facts of what China is actually doing. It is no secret why China gets a pass. They get a pass because they would tell the Climate Change Community to screw if they were to put any regulations that the EU, Canada, US, Aussies etc. have to follow. They are a dead end. There is no money to be had from them.

Coal Plants... I hope we bring more back!

They have a huge industrial complex, a massive and highly capable military, and even a manned space program. The capabilities of China dwarfs your country's capabilities and they have your country (and others) poised to carry their burden until 2030.

Have fun with that.

PS. Horses were employed because of the precious need for fuel for tanks and motorized divisions, and fuel shortages... not technology.

I'll try to make this simple enough for you to understand, although given your comment about wanting increased coal production I suspect I'm wasting my time.
First, what nations actually have decent environmental standards? If you answered advanced wealthy nations give yourself a point.
Second, what does a nation have to do to become advanced and wealthy? If you answered industrialize give yourself another point.

The problem is that a nation cannot afford to institute clean energy programs is until it is wealthy enough to afford them. Right now China is about halfway there. The fact that it is already attempting to clean up its act when its per capita GDP is only one quarter that of the US say something about it being serious about reducing carbon emissions.

And you are wrong about horses being used due to fuel shortages. Both the Russians and Germans used them from day one of the war. Why? Because they were proven technology. As I stated it takes decades and sometimes centuries for new technology to take the place of the old. It might interest you to know that horses were still used in agriculture in Canada and the USA as late as the 1950s.

 

[EagleSmack]

I'll try to make this simple enough for you to understand, although given your comment about wanting increased coal production I suspect I'm wasting my time.
First, what nations actually have decent environmental standards? If you answered advanced wealthy nations give yourself a point.
Second, what does a nation have to do to become advanced and wealthy? If you answered industrialize give yourself another point.

The problem is that a nation cannot afford to institute clean energy programs is until it is wealthy enough to afford them. Right now China is about halfway there. The fact that it is already attempting to clean up its act when its per capita GDP is only one quarter that of the US say something about it being serious about reducing carbon emissions.

And you are wrong about horses being used due to fuel shortages. Both the Russians and Germans used them from day one of the war. Why? Because they were proven technology. As I stated it takes decades and sometimes centuries for new technology to take the place of the old. It might interest you to know that horses were still used in agriculture in Canada and the USA as late as the 1950s.

China is halfway there and Canada I am assuming is all the way there? China's military is stronger than Canada's, China's industrial capabilities dwarf Canada's. China can even put men into space... can Canada? So they can put men into space yet they can't afford this green technology? You need to give your head a shake. And this per capita GDP argument... that is funny. The per capita GDP has no bearing on the capabilities of China as a nation. So go on and carry their burden and pay your carbon taxes while China continues on as usual. We're out!

On the horses during WW2 in both Germany and the Soviet Union. Fuel shortages were a big reason they used horses. Did both countries have motorized divisions? They certainly did... the technology was there. Both nations had supply trucks, towed artillery, armored motorized troop carriers, etc. A simple search will show you how wrong you are.

 

[Bar Sinister]

China is halfway there and Canada I am assuming is all the way there? China's military is stronger than Canada's, China's industrial capabilities dwarf Canada's. China can even put men into space... can Canada? So they can put men into space yet they can't afford this green technology? You need to give your head a shake. And this per capita GDP argument... that is funny. The per capita GDP has no bearing on the capabilities of China as a nation. So go on and carry their burden and pay your carbon taxes while China continues on as usual. We're out!

On the horses during WW2 in both Germany and the Soviet Union. Fuel shortages were a big reason they used horses. Did both countries have motorized divisions? They certainly did... the technology was there. Both nations had supply trucks, towed artillery, armored motorized troop carriers, etc. A simple search will show you how wrong you are.

Given your previous comment in favour of burning more coal I am afraid you lack credibility. But let's see if you can understand this: China's current green energy programs dwarf anything in Canada and even put the USA to shame. It seems to me that like most AGW supporters you are just looking for an excuse to do nothing. Bad news - China is taking that excuse away from you and much faster than you apparently can understand.

 

[petros]

What are we going to do with our coal when carbon taxes subsidizes the conversion to NG?

 

[Angstrom]

Where is the environmentalist outrage???

It's only wrong if we burn it???

Is stoping other races of doing anything racist or something???

I should have known. Social justice 101. Fairness for all humans trumps

China is entitled to burning coal. Cause we have.

 

[EagleSmack]

China Leading the Way Again!

China chokes under heavy smog with worse ahead | Daily Mail Online

 

[taxslave]

So are we here in B.C. and we are shipping it to China .

Exported coal does not pollute so it does not require a carbon tax.

 

[petros]

Still sniffing crotches eh? In only 5 more months you can get back to licking bicycle seats.

 

[EagleSmack]

Today... in China.

*snicker*

 

[MHz]

Are they running coal fired cars?? Time for some electric vehicles over the two-stroke scooters.

 

[EagleSmack]

Are they running coal fired cars?? Time for some electric vehicles over the two-stroke scooters.

They will if they feel like it.

 

[petros]

Today... in China.

*snicker*

The CO2 is counterbalanced by SO2. It's carbon neutral.

 

[EagleSmack]

Given your previous comment in favour of burning more coal I am afraid you lack credibility. But let's see if you can understand this: China's current green energy programs dwarf anything in Canada and even put the USA to shame. It seems to me that like most AGW supporters you are just looking for an excuse to do nothing. Bad news - China is taking that excuse away from you and much faster than you apparently can understand.

With lightning speed! LMAO

China chokes on smog so bad that planes can't land

 

[taxslave]

With lightning speed! LMAO

China chokes on smog so bad that planes can't land

Should work as population control and make fewer coal plants necessary. Or they could move to 20th century technology and burn clean. Like in the civilized world.

 

[MHz]

That smog isn't from coal. I wonder if catalytic converters are standard on mopeds.

 

[EagleSmack]

Should work as population control and make fewer coal plants necessary. Or they could move to 20th century technology and burn clean. Like in the civilized world.

Odd how China is supposed to be leading the way when it seems like they are leading the way in smog.

 

[petros]

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You might be interested to know that China is also building more wind farms and solar farms than the rest of the world combined. And guess what, they have developed a technology that originated in the US, but the Chinese have perfected, a method of burning coal without causing pollution, a technology BTW that the US abandoned. Certainly it is digging more coal, but it is also making an effort to free itself from that fuel.

Here is a recent reference. China goes from red-alert pollution to green energy - World - CBC News

Odd how China is supposed to be leading the way when it seems like they are leading the way in smog.

You just don't get it. Blah Blah Blah. We need carbon tax. Blah Blah Blah. China is only asking for more time. Look at the wind farms. Blah Blah Blah. Their people are protesting (like at Tiananmen square). So they are listening. Because China is leading the way. And Justin Trudeau thinks China is a great model. So do the the environmentalists. Google it you crazy kid. It's all true. Blah blah blah. They are burning more coal so that they can meet the restrictions and build more wind farms than anyone else.

Come on? You're not seeing this. How about a graph?

What? You don't think that graph is accurate? How about this graph? Okay, it was probably made in China or India.

Quite frankly the biggest carbon emitters in Canada, next to farting cows and fainting environmentalists are these.

 

[pgs]

Given your previous comment in favour of burning more coal I am afraid you lack credibility. But let's see if you can understand this: China's current green energy programs dwarf anything in Canada and even put the USA to shame. It seems to me that like most AGW supporters you are just looking for an excuse to do nothing. Bad news - China is taking that excuse away from you and much faster than you apparently can understand.

You are forgetting that we ( as in N.A.) addressed our air pollution problem 40 plus years ago .We still have a long way to go ,but the air quality in most American and Canadian cities is better now than 40 years ago . China will catch up eventually as it is in their best interest to .Climate change has nothing to do with it , human health and cost of medical treatment alone make it in their interest .

What are we going to do with our coal when carbon taxes subsidizes the conversion to NG?

Keep selling it to China . I was stopped by a 150 car coal train heading to Roberts Bank again this morning .

 

[EagleSmack]

Looks like China is leading the way again... The Most Schools Closed Because of Smog


China's smoggiest city closes schools amid public anger

http://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-smoggiest-city-closes-schools-amid-public-anger-081526796.html