Chemtrails

Stretch

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its purely a coincedence.....nothing t' worry about...................;-)

Chemtrails - 'Turning Point'


Monday, 22 March 2010 09:17



'Four planes did a U-turn over Blaenau Ffestiniog ( North Wales ) last Tuesday lunchtime (16th March 2010) ! Other parts of the sky were plastered with trails during the day.'
See here: Chemtrails - 'Turning Point'
 

#juan

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Formation flying exercise?

A squadron breaking left for donuts?

That would be my guess. A formation of four F-18s in a diving turn. When they pass through about 25 thousand feet or so, the contrails disappear.
 

#juan

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Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are basically artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines.

That is right and jet aircraft don't make contrails much below twenty to twenty five thousand feet. depending on conditions.
 

TenPenny

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I was driving across the burning desert, when I spotted six jet planes leaving six white vapour trails across the bleak terrain. It was a hexagram of the heavens, it was the strings on my guitar. Amelia, it was just a false alarm.
 

Stretch

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The Daily Mail's Mass Media Deception on Chemtrails


Sunday, 27 June 2010 15:16



'These vapour trails create clouds which, experts claim, can block out sunlight for millions. This is the reason that our skies appeared unusually blue when the Icelandic volcano Eyjafjallajokull was erupting, and all flights over Britain were banned.
The phenomenon occurs when aircraft fly above 25,000ft, where the air temperature is around minus 30C. This causes water vapour emitted by the engines to crystallise and form the familiar white streaks across the sky, known as contrails.
These can be short-lived. But if there is already a significant amount of moisture in the atmosphere they can linger for hours, as the excess water vapour from the engines tips the surrounding air past its saturation point. This acts as a catalyst to speed up the natural process of cloud formation. Cirrus clouds – the wisp-like formations seen at high altitude –begin to form around the contrails.'
Read more: The Daily Mail's Mass Media Deception on Chemtrails
 

Stretch

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Shasta County Chemtrail/Geo-Engineering Contamination Cover-Up


Wednesday, 07 July 2010 09:41



Photo by John Griffiths​
'Numerous residents from Shasta County have reported multiple tests to the Shasta County Air Quality District that reveal a mass contamination of both aluminum and barium. Aluminum in free form is very toxic to eco-systems and human health.
Residents of the county believe that the source of contamination is from geo-engineering/chemtrail programs that allegedly have been deployed on a mass scale during the past few years. Despite many attempts from concerned residents to get the office to look into this, no action has been taken to date to address this issue.'
Read more: Shasta County Chemtrail/Geo-Engineering Contamination Cover-Up
 

Cyclohexyl

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Local news station confirms barium in chemtrails
If you actually take a look at that report, you'll see that the barium level reported is off by 100 times! The report claims 6.8 ppm, but 68.8 micrograms / L is 68.8 micrograms / 1000 grams = 0.0688 micrograms / gram which is 0.0688 parts per million or 68.8 parts per billion. The reporter got the number wrong by 100 times. He reports that's more than 3 times the toxic level set by the EPA, but since his math is wrong, the concentration is actually 33 times LOWER than the set level.

Furthermore, the whole claim that "chemtrails" stay in the air and contrails dissipate quickly is simply FALSE.

Persistent contrails have been described as early as 1919. For example, Weickmann (1919) describes a persistent contrail over Germany prior to 1920. Persistent contrails get blown about by the wind and can form 'unusual' shapes which some take to be evidence of criss-cross patterns in order to maximize dispersion. Furthermore, you can easily find satellite photos showing contrails that are hundreds of kilometers long (often over the ocean along typical commercial flight routes). You can also find photos from World War II of persistent contrails. Research into contrails was started during WWII because persistent contrails made it difficult for bombers to find targets or could cause planes to crash into each other.

Knollenberg (1972) describes some experiments on persistent contrails.

The whole reason I don't believe the "chemtrail" conspiracy theory is because I have seen no solid evidence whatsoever that there is such a thing. I'm sure that aerosols have been sprayed, but often when it comes to "chemtrails" I can just find a Youtube video of a persistent contrail and someone insisting that it must be a "chemtrail." If the "chemtrail" conspiracy were as widespread as alleged, then why can't anyone produce solid evidence, such as a single spectrum? Knollenberg (1972) gives an example of how spectra can be used to gather data on contrails. For example, spectra could give insight into the particle size and particle size distribution of contrails, yet no such spectra showing "chemtrails" exist.

Knollenberg RG. (1972) Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail. Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences. 29: 1367-74.

Weickmann I. (1919) Wolkenbildung durch ein Flugzeug. Naturwissenschafen. 7: 625.

Unless you can prove Robert Carroll and Cecil Adams are paid to BS for the bankers, that's a serious libel worthy of a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
I've often found that it's difficult to have rational discussions with conspiracy theorists because they suspect that anyone who disagrees with them is a "disinfo agent." This is, of course, just a logical fallacy they use in an attempt to justify dismissing any evidence you offer. Also, they will try dismissing any contradictory points of view by insisting that the sources they site are "credible" while others are simply part of the misinformation being spread. It's very, very difficult to get conspiracy theorists to actually discuss evidence logically.

One of my favourite questions for those who believe in "chemtrails" is:
Briefly, what do you think is the best evidence supporting the notion that "chemtrails" are routinely being sprayed in the atmosphere?

Usually the replies are along the lines of "take a look at all the youtube videos" or "do your research and you'll find stuff all over the web." Of course, these answers simply beg the question: okay, but what evidence is present in those videos or on those websites which is so compelling?

All of the Youtube videos or websites I've seen claiming to have established that chemtrails are routinely sprayed offer nothing in the way of solid evidence. Most of the videos are just images of contrails and someone insisting that it "must be a chemtrail." I'd like to see something solid, like a published spectrum, which really wouldn't be hard to obtain and would be good evidence, yet nobody has done so.

Furthermore, many of the "chemtrail" believers regularly make statements that contradict known science and they insist that those statements are correct even when presented with ample evidence showing otherwise. For example, the claim that "contrails don't persist" has been known to be false for 90 years (again, see Weickmann, 1919) but "chemtrail" believers simply refuse to accept the evidence contradicting their belief.

Schmauss A. (1919) Bildung einer Cirruswolke durch einen Flieger. Randbemerkungen IV. Meteorol Z. 36: 265.

Wegner A. (1920) Frostubersattigung und Cirren. Meteorol Z. 37: 8 - 12.

Weickmann I. (1919) Wolkenbildung durch ein Flugzeug. Naturwissenschafen. 7: 625.

For anyone who wants to take a look at evidence published in peer-reviewed science journals on the topic of contrails, I suggest searching:
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You will be able to find satellite images of persistent contrails and journal articles discussing contrail science.

Again, the main reason that I can't accept the "chemtrail" conspiracy theory is because I haven't seen any solid evidence, AT ALL, that "chemtrails" are routinely sprayed. Most of the arguments that do involve evidence are PURELY circumstantial (eg. pointing to research articles showing that the idea of modifying weather by spraying substances in the sky has been tested; reminding us of the fact that planes have sprayed aerosols, etc.). Given the lack of evidence for the "chemtrail" theory and the abundant evidence supporting the alternative explanation (ie. that persistent contrails are a well known, documented phenomenon), I can only find it reasonable to favour the explanation that most alleged "chemtrails" are simply contrails.
 

eh1eh

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Well this proves it.

Busted Pilot Forgets To Turn Off CHEMTRAILS While Landing





A pilot of a commercial airliner made a mistake that PROVES the existence of “CHEMTRAILS” — by forgetting to turn them off before he landed! We have video of the plane landing while still spraying CHEMTRAILS as it hits the runway. This is the first empirical evidence to back-up claims made people, smeared as “conspiracy-theorists,” who claimed airlines are being used by government to spray aerosols into the air without the knowledge or consent of the people being sprayed. With proof like this, the public now has legal standing to file lawsuits, utilize subpoenas and force discovery of evidence. The 1 minute blockbuster video appears below.​
Despite the fact that the plane is landing in foggy weather, the emission of chemtrails is unmistakable; their existence cannot be denied or explained-away by weather. First, the trails are NOT coming from the back of the jet engines. Second, the trails are not merely water trailing off the edges of the wings because as the plane passes, in addition to the wing trail emissions, there are clearly SPRAYS coming out of several sections at the rear of the wings in clear addition to any water that may be washing off the wing during landing. See for yourself



I an f^cking laughing so hard it's beyond funny. Braindead douche bags don't get it. It is explained away by weather as I thought then I saw this.



I'm still chucking.



















 

SLM

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I an f^cking laughing so hard it's beyond funny. Braindead douche bags don't get it. It is explained away by weather as I thought then I saw this.



I'm still chucking.​


Something tells me you're not embracing the whole "conspiracy" theory. :D