Cheating the prophet

[eanassir]

The idolaters and hypocrites tried to trick the prophet:​

Abu Sufian and some other tribesmen of Quraish came to the Medina city, with the leave of God's apostle Mohammed, so they came to Prophet Mohammed together with some hypocrites from the city of Medina like Abdullah son of Ubay; and they said:
Mohammed, leave us to our idols and we leave you to your God. ​

(O prophet, [be steadfast to] ward off [the punishment of] God, and obey not the unbelievers and the hypocrites ​

[but tell them that the idols are useless and should be abandoned and broken up]; ​

surely God is All-Knowing [about their intentions before their coming to you], Most Wise.​

But follow what is revealed to you from your Lord [to break up the idols]; surely God is Most Aware of that you [all] do.​

And put [O prophet] your trust in God [to accomplish your task]; and enough is God as a guardian [over you.]​

God did not make to any man two hearts within his body
[so that you assign one heart to the idols and the other to God; but He made for you one heart that you should fill it with God's love.])​

The above between brackets is the interpretation by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan of the Quran 33: 1-4 ; these ayat were revealed forbidding him from listening and obeying the words of those idolaters and hypocrites: ​

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ اتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَلَا تُطِعِ الْكَافِرِينَ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا .وَاتَّبِعْ مَا يُوحَى إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا . وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا . مَّا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لِرَجُلٍ مِّن قَلْبَيْنِ فِي جَوْفِهِ ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[eanassir]

Unless you live in Saudi Arabia...

God is God wherever you are; as in the Quran 2: 115

وَلِلّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ فَأَيْنَمَا تُوَلُّواْ فَثَمَّ وَجْهُ اللّهِ إِنَّ اللّهَ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ​

The explanation:
(To God belongs the east and the west:

Withersoever you turn, there [you will find] God in front [of you.]

Surely, God is All-Comprehending, All-Knowing. )

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[Downhome_Woman]

(And if they incline to peace, incline you [Mohammed] also to it [and accept the peace] and trust in God;

[for] He is the All-Hearing [of their words], the All-Knowing [of their intentions and will tell you about that.]

But should they intend to deceive you [Mohammed, in the pretext of peace and truce] then God Suffices you [because He will acquaint you about that to be cautious of them];

He it is Who has supported you with His help and with the believers, and brought their hearts together.

Had you expended all that is in the earth as a whole, you could not have brought their hearts together, but God brought their hearts together;

for He is All-Mighty, Most Wise.


O prophet, God is Sufficient for you and [for] those believers who follow you.)


The above between brackets is the interpretation by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan of the Quran 8: 61-64​

وَإِن جَنَحُواْ لِلسَّلْمِ فَاجْنَحْ لَهَا وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ . وَإِن يُرِيدُواْ أَن يَخْدَعُوكَ فَإِنَّ حَسْبَكَ اللّهُ هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَيَّدَكَ بِنَصْرِهِ وَبِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ . وَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِهِمْ لَوْ أَنفَقْتَ مَا فِي الأَرْضِ جَمِيعاً مَّا أَلَّفَتْ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَلَـكِنَّ اللّهَ أَلَّفَ بَيْنَهُمْ إِنَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ . يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ حَسْبُكَ اللّهُ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَكَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

And from what I have read in the Qu'ran, peace was not peace as we understand it, but rather compliance with your prophet.
In other words, convert or die/be plundered/have your children made into slaves/raped/killed and your wives raped/enslaved/killed. Nice choice.Me? For the sake of my loved ones, I'd lie and proclaim the Shahadah.
You call me an infidel. You have judged me (unlike suicide bombers, when it comes to them, you claim that you aren't a judge - strange - my 'flaw' is that I question' and to you I am damned. Their 'flaw' is that they blow up innocent people in the name of your god - and you find yourself unable to 'judge' them. That, in itself, makes me doubt your religion.
On an unrelated note,can you tell the importance of
Hadith, as opposed to the actual writings of the Qu'ran? I'd appreciate that!

 

[eanassir]

On an unrelated note,can you tell the importance of Hadith, as opposed to the actual writings of the Qu'ran? I'd appreciate that!

The "Quran" is the word of God, and the "Hadith" is the word of Prophet Mohammed

The "Hadith" or the "prophetic traditions" means the words of Prophet Mohammed himself, salam be to him; which are not the Quran. The Quran is the word of God word by word and letter by letter, conveyed by Prophet Mohammed as did he hear from the angel.

So the Quran is the word of God, while the "Hadith" is the own words of Prophet Mohammed himself.

Generally the "Hadith" is the explanation of the Quran and the instructions of the prophet himself regarding many things like the details of the daily prayers ...etc.

The "Hadith" is to be obeyed and observed just as the Quran is to be obeyed and applied.

But the difference is that the "Hadith" is not the own word of God, but the "Hadith" include many false or fabricated hadiths ascribed to the prophet that he said it, when in fact he did not say that.

Therefore, all the entire Quran is authentic, while there are false hadiths besides the other true and authentic hadiths;

so that the Hadith has to be judged by the Quran: any hadith that is contrary to the Quran then it is false and fabricated, and every hadith that confirms and is confirmed by the Quran then it is true and authentic.

At the start, the believers were ordered to write down the Quran, but not to write the Hadith lest it should be mixed and confused with the Quran;

but after a long time when the Quran has been recorded and known by heart so that it cannot be mixed with the hadith (after some hundred years or so) they started to write the Hadith as narrations and to judge it is correct or false, and to check its source and the men that narrate it from one to another.

While the Quran was written during the life of the prophet in separate chapters and parts; then direcly following his death they compiled it in one book which is known by heart and known by its distinct style and powerful expression uncomparable to the word of any other being.

(Say [O Mohammed, to these associaters]:
"Even though the whole man-kind and genie-kind [: aliens] were to gather together in accordance to produce the like of this Quran,
they could not produce its like,
even if they aided each other with support.")​

The above between brackets is the interpretation by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan of the Quran 17: 88​

قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَى أَن يَأْتُواْ بِمِثْلِ هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ لاَ يَأْتُونَ بِمِثْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ ظَهِيرًا​

And from what I have read in the Qu'ran, peace was not peace as we understand it, but rather compliance with your prophet.

Peace is generally the cessation of war and fighting.

And with wider scpoe, it may mean the safety from afflictions and disasters.

So what do you understand of the "peace" ?

In other words, convert or die/be plundered/have your children made into slaves/raped/killed and your wives raped/enslaved/killed. Nice choice.Me? For the sake of my loved ones, I'd lie and proclaim the Shahadah.

multiple lies.

You call me an infidel. You have judged me

I judge you from your words which are against God and His apostle and His Quran.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
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[eanassir]

You have judged me (unlike suicide bombers, when it comes to them, you claim that you aren't a judge - strange ...

Downhome_
Many have stressed on this point about such suicide bombers; so I have to explain it:
I am not concerned with such bombers, and in fact it appears so ambiguous to me: who directs all this play and who teach them and who support them and who are they?

If it was true about these suicide bombers and that they are true believers, then they would capture the Moon and reach to the Eskimo.

But the thing appears to me ambiguous and doubtful: and I think most of such suicide bombers, if not all of them, are being exploded by the remote control device when they in fact are unaware of what is going on.

Yes, this has been found to be true in many occasions: and such suicide bombing are in fact the design of the Zionist and Imperialist agencies and intelligence. About this I am convinced and about certain.

E.g. they tell some poor driver to take this car and give this vegetable or other things to give it to someone in another place and tell him to cross the river on that certain bridge, and they promise to give him a large sum of money, so the poor fellow will take the car which is charged with explosives (while he is unaware), then when he is in the middle of the bridge, they - by the remote control - explode the car with its driver in the middle of the bridge and cause the destruction of that bridge.

Or - as has been discovered by the Journalist Robert Fisk (he is a Jew as I think):
They told a driver working with some of such agencies belonging to America or Zionists; they told him to take this car and go to some crowded places and when he reached there to phone them with such a number, but he thought to buy a cigarette from a nearby shop and phoned them there, and he saw his car exploded immediately before his eyes; and so he ran away from such agencies lest they should kill him.

And so on there have been many occasions where the man (they describe him as a suicider, when he in fact is unaware of anything like that); did you realize this Downhome_Woman or not ?

 

[eanassir]

The attempt of the Thaqief tribe to trick the prophet

Following the conquering of the Ta'ef, where the Thaqief tribe resided, the Prophet commanded to break up all the idols erected there.​

Then a delegation out of the Thaqief tribesmen came and said to Prophet Mohammed: ​

"Give us respite of 9 months [: i.e. leave our idols and don't break them up] till we receive the sacrifices and presents for the idols at their due time, then we shall break up the idols and convert; ​

and if the Arab ask you about such postponement, then say: God has commanded me with this command."​

(They [the idolaters and associaters] were about to tempt [and turn] you [Mohammed] away from [the command to break up the idols] that We revealed to you that you might forge against Us other [words, and say: God has commanded that]; ​

they would – then – have certainly made you their dear friend [because you have worked according to their desire].​

And had We not confirmed you [Mohammed on the way of the truth], surely you were about to incline to them a little bit [i.e. you were about to give them a respite less than what they demanded.]​

In that case We would have let you taste a double [portion of the punishment] of living and a double [portion of the punishment] of dying; ​

and moreover you would not have had – against Us – any helper [It means: We would then have rejected you and then none may help you against Us.])​

The above between brackets is the interpretation, by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan, of the Quran 17: 73-75​

وَإِن كَادُواْ لَيَفْتِنُونَكَ عَنِ الَّذِي أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ لِتفْتَرِيَ عَلَيْنَا غَيْرَهُ وَإِذًا لاَّتَّخَذُوكَ خَلِيلاً .وَلَوْلاَ أَن ثَبَّتْنَاكَ لَقَدْ كِدتَّ تَرْكَنُ إِلَيْهِمْ شَيْئًا قَلِيلاً . إِذاً لَّأَذَقْنَاكَ ضِعْفَ الْحَيَاةِ وَضِعْفَ الْمَمَاتِ ثُمَّ لاَ تَجِدُ لَكَ عَلَيْنَا نَصِيرًا​

In the ayat above, we see obviously how God threatened His apostle that if he inclines to the idolaters He will punish and reject him, and then none may help him against God's wrath.​

So consider, people of the Bible [Jews and Christians], and contemplate and see that:
Mohammed is truthful and he worked according to the revelation of his Lord: God Almighty; ​

because, on Judgment Day, these ayat and their interpretation will be against every stubborn disbeliever that denies the apostle-hood of Prophet Mohammed and his truthfulness.​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Downhome_
Many have stressed on this point about such suicide bombers; so I have to explain it:
I am not concerned with such bombers, and in fact it appears so ambiguous to me: who directs all this play and who teach them and who support them and who are they?

If it was true about these suicide bombers and that they are true believers, then they would capture the Moon and reach to the Eskimo.

But the thing appears to me ambiguous and doubtful: and I think most of such suicide bombers, if not all of them, are being exploded by the remote control device when they in fact are unaware of what is going on.

Yes, this has been found to be true in many occasions: and such suicide bombing are in fact the design of the Zionist and Imperialist agencies and intelligence. About this I am convinced and about certain.

E.g. they tell some poor driver to take this car and give this vegetable or other things to give it to someone in another place and tell him to cross the river on that certain bridge, and they promise to give him a large sum of money, so the poor fellow will take the car which is charged with explosives (while he is unaware), then when he is in the middle of the bridge, they - by the remote control - explode the car with its driver in the middle of the bridge and cause the destruction of that bridge.

Or - as has been discovered by the Journalist Robert Fisk (he is a Jew as I think):
They told a driver working with some of such agencies belonging to America or Zionists; they told him to take this car and go to some crowded places and when he reached there to phone them with such a number, but he thought to buy a cigarette from a nearby shop and phoned them there, and he saw his car exploded immediately before his eyes; and so he ran away from such agencies lest they should kill him.

And so on there have been many occasions where the man (they describe him as a suicider, when he in fact is unaware of anything like that); did you realize this Downhome_Woman or not ?

Garbage. first - why do you 'think' that Robert Fisk is a 'jew' - is it tat his name sounds Jewish? and does your feeling that he is a Jew somehow give more credence to your musings? sorry. I really doubt that he is Jewish and even if he was it wouldn't make a difference. The Heredim went to Iran and accepted the pronouncements of that wacko president. doesn't mean I suddenly think that the wacko president is any less wacko.It just shown that they were as wacko as he is.
As far as the rest of your blither - the whole "If it was true about these suicide bombers and that they are true believers, then they would capture the Moon and reach to the Eskimo."Huh? Are you saying that Muslims are stupid dupes - or that somehow the Zionist /Imperialist conspiracy has been able to enter their rooms while they were sleeping and were able to attach remote control devices that would allow them to blow up on an arranged signal'? Well if they are THAT stupid, do we really need them ruling the world?
Sorry Einassir. the Islamic world has a LOT of money. Probably as much, if not more that the Jews you so despise. (Must rot your socks that the first people of the book just don't feel the need for your 'prophet' in order to gain salvation)Those poster boys for Islam - you know, the Taliban, have been raking in the $$$ with opium - what - PLEASE don't tell me that the JEWS are really behind it all and are making the innocent Muslims take all that money!!!! Oh you silly poor man. I feel for you that you have to delude yourself about real world issues, in order to justify your faith.

 

[eanassir]

PLEASE don't tell me that the JEWS are really behind it all

Obviously, they are behind much of it if not all of it.
The other part which they are not behind is :the circumstances now run to their advantage, which will change in the future, by God's will and the Palestinian people will have his complete rights and liberation of its homeland.

A Warning to Jews of Perishing, If they do not believe in the Quran

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Obviously, they are behind much of it if not all of it.
The other part which they are not behind is :the circumstances now run to their advantage, which will change in the future, by God's will and the Palestinian people will have his complete rights and liberation of its homeland.

A Warning to Jews of Perishing, If they do not believe in the Quran

Bunk - it's not obvious at all - the Whole 'Jews will perish if they do not believe in the Qu'ran' garbage? Your 'prophet' was just miffed that the first people of the book were secure enough in their faith that they didn't feel they had to listen to the ramblings of an illiterate man who let his wife support him while he went off to Mount Arafat to 'find himself'. Let's face it, he was poaching from the Jewish faith, trying to create his own. And if the people he was poaching from didn't believe him - doesn't make him look terribly believable.

 

[ironsides]

And now the Prophet is coming to get the unbeliever.
LOS ANGELES, Calif. -- The Iranian regime is notorious for cracking down on dissent inside Iran. Now Mahmoud Ahmadenijad and the mullahs are targeting dissidents in other countries -- including those in the United States.
And they are using an international organization to do it.
The Regime Never Forgets
Shahram Homayoun fled Iran for the United States 19 years ago. He was a marked man in his native country, because of his support for democracy and human rights.
Now the regime has finally caught up with Homayoun: not in Tehran, but in Los Angeles.
"They have managed to keep me here, and it seems like there is nothing the U.S. government can do," Homayoun told CBN News in an exclusive interview.
Homayoun owns a satellite television network in L.A. called Channel One TV. He broadcasts pro-democracy programming into Iran on a daily basis.
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[darkbeaver]

The Shaw was democratic. That's funny ironsides. He was a brutal despotic prick, just like the American puppet masters who put him in power. The Americans have exported so much democracy that there is none left in America. Cheezeburger anyone?

 

[ironsides]

Nobody blew neighborhoods up under the Shah, you were not afraid to walk the streets at night. It was not democracy but religion that destroyed Iran. Wonder if you can still get a good Cheezeburger there?