Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

Nascar_James

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Andygal said:
There is no denying it anymore. The evidence is overwhelming and the world knows it. Ask anyone on the street if they've heard of Chavez's abuses and chances are they will say yes. Chavez is a Dictator and Human Rights violator and needs to be removed from power.

Change the name "Chavez" in that paragraph to "Bush" and you will have the truth.

When are you going to get it through your head that Chavez is NOT a dictator, he was democraticaly elected and the observers reportered no irregularities in the results, which is more then I can say for the last 2 elections in your precious U S of A. At least. Maybe more then that.

Ok Andygal. I'll take your word over Amnesty International, the Inter American Human Rights Commission, the highest church official in Venezuela and the native people of Venezuela.

Listen to reason, Andygal. Are you saying that all these organizations and officials are wrong? They are if you've got blinders on...............
 

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RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

I looked on Google and I can't find anything by Anmeesty international saying anything bad able Chavez. Actually the only thing I could find involving them and Chavez seems to be certain people forcing them to cancel a pro-Chavez documentary. And those certain people seem to be the business leaders and miltary people that tried to oust Chavez. I'm not sure on the details but it looks like you are wrong about Anmesty internation condemming Chavez.
 

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Andygal said:
I looked on Google and I can't find anything by Anmeesty international saying anything bad able Chavez. Actually the only thing I could find involving them and Chavez seems to be certain people forcing them to cancel a pro-Chavez documentary. And those certain people seem to be the business leaders and miltary people that tried to oust Chavez. I'm not sure on the details but it looks like you are wrong about Anmesty internation condemming Chavez.

just checked Amnesty International site......and nothing there about Chevez...............but guess what?? Loads of stuff about human rights violations by the US. (both within the u.s. and outside )
 

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Looks like you all didn't look on the Amnesty Int'l website by using its search function.

Here's the link:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR530032004



PUBLIC AI Index: AMR 53/003/2004

UA 98/04 Fear for safety/use of excessive force 04 March 2004

VENEZUELA Protestors in civil disturbances

The security forces have reportedly used excessive force, and detained large numbers of opposition supporters, during nationwide street protests against the government of President Hugo Chavez.

At least nine people have died and scores of others have been injured, including a number of police officers.

Amnesty International is concerned that there may be further politically motivated violence, and disproportionate police response.

The main opposition grouping, the Coodinadora Democrática, claim that up to 350 supporters have been detained around the country, with police allegedly fabricating evidence against a number of protest leaders.

The authorities claim the figure is considerably lower, and those detained had participated in or incited violent protests. They have accused opposition leaders and activists of fomenting the violence in an attempt to force the President from office. The authorities have a responsibility maintain public order should also ensure that fundamental human rights are respected. Amnesty International is concerned at reports that the security forces have used excessive force on some occasions and failed to follow correct procedures for detention, and that these allegations are not being adequately investigated.

The street protests began on 27 February after news in the run up to the announcement of the Consejo Nacional Electoral (CNE), National Electoral Council’s decision that many signatures on an opposition-sponsored petition for a "referendum revocatorio" ("recall referendum") to force President Chavez to resign, must be re-authenticated. The opposition required 2.4 million signatures for the petition to succeed in triggering the referendum vote, and claim they collected 3.2 million, but the electoral authority recognised only 1.8 million.

Since then there have been frequent confrontations between opposition supporters and the National Guard in many different parts of the country. While a number of demonstrations have reportedly been violent, with protestors using firearms and other weapons, the National Guard and the Direccion de Inteligencia Seguridad y Prevención (DISIP), internal security agency, have allegedly used excessive force to control the situation on a number of ocassions. In the capital, Caracas, at least 47 detainees have been brought before a judge and placed in pre-trial detention on charges such as "resisting arrest" (resistiencia a la autoridad) and "inciting crime" (instigación a delinquiar). However, many others detained around the country appear not to have been brought before a judge within the legal time limit.

BACKGROUND INFORMATION
Hugo Chavez was elected president of Venezuela in 1998 and re-elected in 2000 for a six year term. There has been increasing polarization and repeated political violence since 2001, when an opposition movement began to gain strength. In April 2002 at least 50 people died during a failed coup when President Chavez was forced from power for three days. At the end of 2002 a general strike called by the opposition had a dramatic impact on the economy, but failed to force the President from power. Internationally sponsored negotiations led to a agreement in May 2003 committing both sides to seeking a "constitutional, peaceful, democratic and electoral solution" to the crisis. The National Electoral Council’s decision on whether to accept the validity of sufficient signatures gathered by the opposition to trigger a recall referendum on President Chavez had been pending since the end of 2003.
 

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PUBLIC AI Index: AMR 53/008/2002
13 December 2002

UA 362/02 Fear for Safety

VENEZUELA Jose Antonio Dávila (m) ] Rafael Fuenmayor (m) ] journalists
Luis Alfonso Fernández (m) ]
Fernando Malavé (m) ]
and other journalists and photographers

The four men named above were among a group of journalists reportedly attacked and injured by the National Guard on 3 December. Amnesty International is concerned for their safety, and that of all journalists and photographers in Venezuela.

Since the beginning of a national strike on 2 December by the opposition movement to President Hugo Chávez, both pro and anti-government journalists and media outlets have been the target of threats, intimidation and attack, particularly when covering street demonstrations. According to reports, Jose Antonio Dávila, Rafael Fuenmayor, Luis Alfonso Fernández and Fernando Malavé, along with several other journalists were attacked when reporting on the violent break up of an opposition demonstration in the Chauo district of the capital Caracas. Fernando Malavé received a serious gunshot wound, others were injured by rubber bullets and battons. In the deepening crisis of the onging strike, journalists risk further threats and attacks.

On the nights of 8 and 9 December, there were large scale protests by pro-government supporters outside opposition supporting newspapers, TV and radio stations. In a number of incidents around the country on those nights, protesters threatened journalists and attacked the offices of the media. On the night of 8 December, there was also a protest by opposition supporters outside the headquarters of Channel 8, the state TV channel. Shots were reportedly fired, however there were allegedly no injuries.

The news media are both contributors to and have suffered from the political polarization which is undermining the rule of law in Venezuela. Priviate media outlets are accused of directly encouraging opposition to the adminstration of President Chavez and of failing to cover events impartially. The coverage of the state run televison channel is similiarly accused of uncritical support for President Chavez.
 

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You gotta kind of wonder at the gall of it all tho....I mean open your eyes 8O funny..I never heard that chavez secretly bombed a country leaving behind 200,000 dead...I mean who is gonna pay for that eh??
I rant on..cuse me...but here is a war crimes charge, kind of interesting
http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-index.htm
 

Ocean Breeze

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You gotta kind of wonder at the gall of it all tho....I mean open your eyes 8O funny..I never heard that chavez secretly bombed a country leaving behind 200,000 dead...I mean who is gonna pay for that eh??
I rant on..cuse me...but here is a war crimes charge, kind of interesting
http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-index.htm

this kinda illustrates the value the u.s. has for human rights. :evil: ........and here they are ranting about Chevez .




not for the faint of heart....(that dear friends is a torched body of an Iraqi ) :cry: Did he have family?? friends??? Were they less important than those that americans treasure??
 

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Some Highlights from Jimmy's posts:

Since the beginning of a national strike on 2 December by the opposition movement to President Hugo Chávez, both pro and anti-government journalists and media outlets have been the target of threats, intimidation and attack, particularly when covering street demonstrations.

On the night of 8 December, there was also a protest by opposition supporters outside the headquarters of Channel 8, the state TV channel. Shots were reportedly fired, however there were allegedly no injuries.

The news media are both contributors to and have suffered from the political polarization which is undermining the rule of law in Venezuela. Priviate media outlets are accused of directly encouraging opposition to the adminstration of President Chavez and of failing to cover events impartially.

The authorities claim the figure is considerably lower, and those detained had participated in or incited violent protests. They have accused opposition leaders and activists of fomenting the violence in an attempt to force the President from office.

Since then there have been frequent confrontations between opposition supporters and the National Guard in many different parts of the country. While a number of demonstrations have reportedly been violent, with protestors using firearms and other weapons

In April 2002 at least 50 people died during a failed coup when President Chavez was forced from power for three days.
 

Ocean Breeze

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jimmoyer said:
Well the correct way of being is to focus exclusively on your favorite hate object and ignoring all else.

in the final analysis .......each leader will be held to account. Maybe not immediately........but as things stand now......whatever indiscretions Chevez may have......seems they pale compared to the bush ones. What is really disgusting is that the u.s. claims to be advanced., educated, WEALTHY , and "democratic" Venez........is still developing....
 

peapod

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why's everybody pickin on me routine....next time zorro comes by I will ask him to send a lolly your way. Nascar started this bashing chavez thread...only like alway...he gots stomped on....
 

Nascar_James

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Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Andygal said:
I looked on Google and I can't find anything by Anmeesty international saying anything bad able Chavez. Actually the only thing I could find involving them and Chavez seems to be certain people forcing them to cancel a pro-Chavez documentary. And those certain people seem to be the business leaders and miltary people that tried to oust Chavez. I'm not sure on the details but it looks like you are wrong about Anmesty internation condemming Chavez.

No I'm not wrong Andygal. It appears you are once again wrong. Here is the Amnesty International link ...

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR530052004?open&of=ENG-VEN
 

Nascar_James

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Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Ocean Breeze said:
Andygal said:
I looked on Google and I can't find anything by Anmeesty international saying anything bad able Chavez. Actually the only thing I could find involving them and Chavez seems to be certain people forcing them to cancel a pro-Chavez documentary. And those certain people seem to be the business leaders and miltary people that tried to oust Chavez. I'm not sure on the details but it looks like you are wrong about Anmesty internation condemming Chavez.

just checked Amnesty International site......and nothing there about Chevez...............but guess what?? Loads of stuff about human rights violations by the US. (both within the u.s. and outside )

Here's the link ...

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR530052004?open&of=ENG-VEN
 

Nascar_James

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peapod said:
why's everybody pickin on me routine....next time zorro comes by I will ask him to send a lolly your way. Nascar started this bashing chavez thread...only like alway...he gots stomped on....

Not so Peapod. Where do you get that idea from? I supplied the evidence against Chavez, which by the way is overwhelming. No one can argue against 4 different reliable sources (Amnesty International, the Inter-American Human Rights Commission, the highest church official in Venezuela and the native community of Venezuela). Anyone you stop on the street will have heard of Chavez's human rights violations and his dictatorship.