Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

[Nascar_James]

When will this guy be removed from power? How can anyone tolerate someone who abuses his own citizens and native population? I can't for the life of me figure it out?

In addition to lying and Human Rights violations of his own people, it looks like Dictator Chavez is also wrongly speaking on behalf of the church. A dictator and Human Rights violator has no business speaking on behalf of the church.

Cardinal Rosalio Castillo of Venezuela scoffed at a recent assertion by Chavez that his government was following the teaching of Jesus Christ by spending Venezuela's oil wealth to help the poor. The cardinal of Venezuela speaks for the church, not Chavez. The Cardinal rightfully said that Chavez's goal above all is not to help the poor but to concentrate his power.

The Cardinal also said that Article 350 of Venezuela's 1999 Constitution allowed citizens to refuse to recognize an elected leader if he violated democratic principles or human rights.

Read the full story ...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/17/venezuela.chavez.reut/

 

[no1important]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Gee Nascar what you say about Chavez could be said about your leader "W".

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Gee Nascar what you say about Chavez could be said about your leader "W".

absolutely! and not only that ......the u.s. leader abuses people in OTHER countries........by torturing, maiming and killing them. So who the heck is Nascar and his ilk to judge??

 

[jimmoyer]

Well now, Ocean Breeze, what are you going to do?

Selectively pick your favorite hate object and let the other go?

Your point on the hypocrisy is well taken, but I can see we Americans don't own the whole franchise on that one.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Gee Nascar what you say about Chavez could be said about your leader "W".

Chavez is the worst degenerate of society. As a leader, it doesn't get any worse than violating basic rights of your own citizens. Even Cardinal Castillo of Venezuela ackowledges that Dictator Chavez has mistreated his own people.

There is a huge difference between innocent civilian casualties during a war on terror and deliberately violating basic human rights of your own citizens. It's a night and day comparison.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

Well now, Ocean Breeze, what are you going to do?

Selectively pick your favorite hate object and let the other go?

Your point on the hypocrisy is well taken, but I can see we Americans don't own the whole franchise on that one.

well, jimmy........of course not........but no one is as glaringly obvious. as the u.s. Nor is anyone else as glaringly obvious when it comes t o LIES./and other con games. which is really pathetic as one would have expected better in a supposedly evolved nation.

 

[Nascar_James]

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Gee Nascar what you say about Chavez could be said about your leader "W".

absolutely! and not only that ......the u.s. leader abuses people in OTHER countries........by torturing, maiming and killing them. So who the heck is Nascar and his ilk to judge??

Ocean, for any world leader, his first and foremost priority is for protection of his own citizens. It appears to Chavez, his citizens are not a priority since his government has been accused by Amnesty International for Human Rights violations against his own people. Not to mention the native community as well. All he cares about is his power.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

NJ.....

There is a huge difference between innocent civilian casualties during a war on terror and deliberately violating basic human rights of your own citizens. It's a night and day comparison.

:roll:


where do you get this stuff from .........if not the bible of bush??

 

[Ocean Breeze]

for any world leader, his first and foremost priority is for protection of his own citizens

THAT is really LOADED.........and liberties of all kinds /ilk and "color" can be taken under that umbrella.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Chavez won a referendum on his rule last year, and opinion polls predict he will win re-election in late 2006 elections.

That's from the article you posted, Nascar Nero. He won the elections. Election observers said those elections were fair too, which is more than can be said about what they said about the two US presidential elections.

You claim he's a dictator though, Nascar Nero. Can you substantiate that or are you just demostrating your political ignorance yet again?

 

[Nascar_James]

Chavez won a referendum on his rule last year, and opinion polls predict he will win re-election in late 2006 elections.

That's from the article you posted, Nascar Nero. He won the elections. Election observers said those elections were fair too, which is more than can be said about what they said about the two US presidential elections.

You claim he's a dictator though, Nascar Nero. Can you substantiate that or are you just demostrating your political ignorance yet again?

Firstly Rev, the European Union was not permitted to monitor the 2004 recall referendum in Venezuela. Late notice and not being allowed to audit the vote resulted in the EU not being able to monitor the election last year. What observers are you referring to?

Read this link for more details ...

http://www.venezuelanuestra.org/fraud/fraud_14.htm

Proof that Chavez is a dicator? I have listed much proof Rev, in my prior posts. Both Amnesty International and the Inter-American Human Rights Commission have publically denounced Chavez for his Human Rights Violations. The native people of Venezuela have publically accused Chavez of abuses against their population in Venezuela and wrongly lying on their behalf. See the beginning of this thread for more details on this. When the highest Church official in Venezuela publically calls Chavez a DICTATOR, combined with the other evidence that I've just listed, how can anyone condone the actions of this individual? How can he have any credibility left? He needs to be promptly removed from power, end of story.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

NJ........sounds like you are just itching to invade them.......can't get enough of war ,blood, guts, destruction ,killing etc.......can ya???

ya do realize that it is addictive, don't you?? Just like a psychopathic killer..........soon it becomes an obsession./compulsion.====only in a mob mentality.

 

[Nascar_James]

NJ........sounds like you are just itching to invade them.......can't get enough of war ,blood, guts, destruction ,killing etc.......can ya???

ya do realize that it is addictive, don't you?? Just like a psychopathic killer..........soon it becomes an obsession./compulsion.====only in a mob mentality.

Well Ocean, do you condone someone who's accused even by the highest Church official in Venezuela of being a Dictator? Not to mention Amnesty International and the Inter-American Human Rights Commission.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

You put up an opinion article by one of Bush's supporters as proof, Nero? Are you completely devoid of any politcal acumen whatsoever?

You have not proven anything. Your many posts on the subject were shown to be based on media and US government sources with little or no credibility and your interpretation of the HRW and Amnesty reports ignored that:
1. Things are getting better.
2. Things were much worse under the people you are supporting.
and...
3. Many of the violations you listed were carried out against Chavez supporters as well as his detractors because of the legacy left in the police and military by the people you support.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

do you condone someone who's accused even by the highest Church official in Venezuela of being a Dictator?

i don't go along with ANYTHING any Church says...particularly when a church is making political statements. Churches have their own agendas too..


Just wondering why ya got such a hard on for this guy........when you can't even identify the serious issues your own hero has . and at the moment he has PLENTY.

What I cannot tolerate is the hypocracy the u.s. exhibits. Gotta tell ya.........one knows where one stands with a "dictator".......but one never knows where one stands with the u.s. ( it will turn on ya for an ounce of oil.) ..........and pleeeeeeeze don't interpet that as condoning dictatorships.

 

[jimmoyer]

"Well Ocean, do you condone someone who's accused even by the highest Church official in Venezuela of being a Dictator? Not to mention Amnesty International and the Inter-American Human Rights Commission. "
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This does not compute for those previously programmed, Nascar_james.

They blink for a moment at your sentence and then resume their regularly scheduled programming.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

You put up an opinion article by one of Bush's supporters as proof, Nero? Are you completely devoid of any politcal acumen whatsoever?

You have not proven anything. Your many posts on the subject were shown to be based on media and US government sources with little or no credibility and your interpretation of the HRW and Amnesty reports ignored that:
1. Things are getting better.
2. Things were much worse under the people you are supporting.
and...
3. Many of the violations you listed were carried out against Chavez supporters as well as his detractors because of the legacy left in the police and military by the people you support.

Still in denial Rev? Well, when Amnesty International, the Inter American Human Rights Commission, the native people of Venezuela and a high ranking Cardinal in Venezuela all report on Human Rights violations in Venezuela, it does indeed become credible and it also becomes an issue at the international level. That is why all of us are aware of Chevez's abuses and his dictatorship, no matter what you claim is being ignored. There is no excuse for what he's doing.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Nasty car; You do not know what you are talking about. You get all of your information from a totally propagandized press. Go to Venezuala and live there for awhile with your eyes open. See the economic / social stratafication and the repression of indiginous people. Chavez is doing his best to turn around a deeply ingrained aparteid with a very right-wing self-indulgent overclass backed by corporate interests from the U.S. If Chavez fails it will be due to the concerted efforts and money from cruel, priveleged americans denying people market access, education, call it economic freedom.

The Catholic Church is very RICH in Venezuala. The church hyarchy is part of the priveleged upper-class. They are without conscience or caring of the poor. The current Pope threatened to ex-communicate socially active Priests when he was JPs henchman. I am unaware of any clergy ex-communicated in Venezuala but a few were in Mexico and Guatamala

Why don't you check out what Amnesty International says about your government and your leader. A lot worse than anything done by Chavez.. The elections Chavez has won have been open and fair. He is a democratically elected President. Unlike yours. I notice that the woman who fixed the votes in Florida now works for the manufacturer of the electonic vote machines. Much easier to fix an election without a paper trail.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

The Catholic church has become a very anti-democratic force in South America since they decided to silence activist priests. They even excommunicated some.

Chavez is allowed to interpret the Bible as he sees fit though, Nascar Nero. Why not? You do.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

"Well Ocean, do you condone someone who's accused even by the highest Church official in Venezuela of being a Dictator? Not to mention Amnesty International and the Inter-American Human Rights Commission. "
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This does not compute for those previously programmed, Nascar_james.

They blink for a moment at your sentence and then resume their regularly scheduled programming.

You bet, Jim. They would rather support a leader who abuses his own people, than a leader who's fighting a war on terror.