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jimmoyer

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RE: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

LOL ! Reverend Blair !

He has talked a good game and started a few things, but still you see a lot of poor, still you see a lot of big land holders, still you see much destitution in an oil rich country and still will you much more of it 20 years from now.

More lip service than anything else.

As far as Amerika pulling a fast one on this guy, well that is most likely overall true, but even a superpower bungles like every wiseguy in the Mafia bungles.

And it is wrong.

But Chavez has a huge change to effect in a country that still be much the way it is now and will be 2 decades from now and the Hate Amerika people will still be touting his achievements. Heh
 

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Chavez rips Bush in U.N. speech, earns applause
Venezuelan criticizes U.S. for waging war in Iraq without body's OK
By KIM GAMEL
Associated Press
UNITED NATIONS - In front of a global summit, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took President Bush to task for waging war in Iraq without U.N. consent and won rousing applause for his critique.

The leftist leader told a U.N. summit Thursday that fighting the war without U.N. authorization showed Washington did not respect the world body. He urged moving U.N. headquarters to a country that has more regard for the organization.

"There were never weapons of mass destruction but Iraq was bombed, and over U.N. objections, (it was) occupied and continues being occupied," Chavez said.

Bush alleged Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. None have been found.

"That's why we propose to this assembly that the United Nations leave this country, which is not respectful of the very resolutions of this assembly," Chavez said.

Chavez suggested moving U.N. headquarters from New York to an international city and said some have mentioned Jerusalem.

The Venezuelan leader said the new headquarters should be in the southern hemisphere.

Bush was not in the audience when Chavez spoke to the world representatives; he addressed the summit's opening session Wednesday, then returned to Washington.

World leaders had been asked to speak for five minutes but Chavez ran long, and when the presiding diplomat passed him a note saying his time was up, he threw it on the floor, saying if Bush could speak for 20 minutes, so could he.

When he finally stopped, he got what observers said was the LOUDEST APPLAUSE of the summit.

No, wonder! he shows the hypocrites for what they are.
 

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There's over 120 countries in the world and at least half of them are run by thugs, thieves and liars who if they had the power the 1st world has would be a nightmare beyond anything you think Bush is right now.

Perhaps the gullibility of championing UN applause of Chavez means you've been hoodwinked by people other than Bush.

At least Bush doesn't get anything past you.

But these other guys do.

Yeah, Amerika has the piper to pay and we're going to pay. You'll see to that in all your righteous morality.

But watch you're back while you're so concentrated watching Amerika.

There's alot to be cynical over, and let me assure you Amerika has no monopoly over that.
 

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He has talked a good game and started a few things, but still you see a lot of poor, still you see a lot of big land holders, still you see much destitution in an oil rich country and still will you much more of it 20 years from now.

A little bit of reality, Jimmy. You will continue to see a lot of poor. Venezuela is a poor country. Hugo is working to change that, but change doesn't come overnight. He'd be a lot further along if the CIA hadn't backed a coup, a rich people's strike, and a recall election.

The other little bit of reality is that Chavez has shied away from nationalising productive land and holdings. He took the Heinz factory away, but it had been mothballed and Heinz was trying, unsuccessfully, to sell it. Chavez paid them for it. Now Venezuelan tomato farmers have a place to sell their tomatoes. Not as profitable as growing coca perhaps, but the CIA doesn't try kill tomato farmers.

He's done the same with land owned by the wealthy and by corporations who were not using it. Turned it over to those who will so they can make a profit.

That's real progress considering that those people could only be workers before. If they could find somebody to hire them they were paid a pittance, forced to work in unsafe and denigrating conditions, and some of the most brutal child labour imaginable was the order of the day.
 

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I've travelled extensively in both Venezuala and the U.S. and have witnessed much deeper poverty in the U.S. for it is a poverty made worse by hopelessness and illiteracy. Chavez has only been leader of Venezuala for 8 years. Prior to his Presidency the land was being pillaged by U.S. corporations with nothing going to the poor. Now the children are attending school. There's a program where every bus going to villages bring in canned goods. Cuba is helping with higher education. There are travelling doctors bringing health care to remote areas. The roads are being improved after 20 years of neglect. Chavez does this while the upper class, who own the media, do nothing but criticize and the U.S. government runs its interference. I hope he really presses hard on land reform. Then in another year the people will be able to feed themselves and send food to the poor in the good ol' U.S.A.
 

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PoisonPete2 said:
I've travelled extensively in both Venezuala and the U.S. and have witnessed much deeper poverty in the U.S. for it is a poverty made worse by hopelessness and illiteracy. Chavez has only been leader of Venezuala for 8 years. Prior to his Presidency the land was being pillaged by U.S. corporations with nothing going to the poor. Now the children are attending school. There's a program where every bus going to villages bring in canned goods. Cuba is helping with higher education. There are travelling doctors bringing health care to remote areas. The roads are being improved after 20 years of neglect. Chavez does this while the upper class, who own the media, do nothing but criticize and the U.S. government runs its interference. I hope he really presses hard on land reform. Then in another year the people will be able to feed themselves and send food to the poor in the good ol' U.S.A.


thanks Pete, THAT presents a much more realistic (and accurate) picture of things. (note: US pillage and US interference........ and once again..... not much constructive effort from that big bully USR.)

NOTE: His speach drew much applause.... THAT alone say something. Like the way he handled the time frame thing. Why the ph*ck should bush be the only one to get more time than anyone else??? Particularly after the way he BASHED the UN when it did not go along with his lofty grandiose plans to invade Iraq ...For that matter.......bush has "nerve" to even show his face there. Good for Chavez. The more leaders that speak out now......the better things might be. "New World " message: Call the US on its lies, spin, manipulation , greed and arrogance. and destructive conduct.


and as No. 1's article indicates.........."shunning" might be a good idea now. No need for military action at all. (against the US). The US has deliberately isolated itself (elevated itself in some sick minds).......and the consequences might not be what was planned or anticipated. They just don't seem to get the fact that they are but ONE country on this planet.....and as the planet gets "smaller" via rapid communications etc.....getting along is even more imperative. Imperialism is an outdated model. and essentially going backwards. We could be getting into a situation where it is the world against the US.. ........so it is the US that had better be a bit more careful now. Start by electing some genuine INTELLIGENCE into the leadership. (and someone with integrety , credibility, and a high ethical standard)
 

Ocean Breeze

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no1important said:
I would strongley suggest everyone read this article

It is very well written and speaks of the reality of what is going on in America today.


EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT article. :!: THANKS for posting it.

It speaks to exactly how .......I personally feel about things and see things as they relate to the US. (today)

The rest of the world should join hands and shun the United States


ya know....... this is starting to happen.......in a very subtle way. New alliances are being formed. the geo political arena is changing. Most nations merely "tolerate" the US now......and only because they still feel they have to.
 

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Hank C Cheyenne said:
lol Nascar they really stuck it to you. W/E though, wow he made a mistake by going to a dumb site, big deal. You guys still have not responded to my comments made.

LOL - no one cares what Alberta thinks.

Heheh just JOKING!
 

#juan

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That was an excellent article no1

It covered all the bases and told it exactly like it is. Thanks.