Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian on 9-11
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It is not possible to wire up a building with explosives in 24 hours, you're beginning to look like an idiot aeon, use your brains for crying outloud.
RE: Charlie Sheen's State
Yes, and the owner of the company who did the work just makes it a bit odd,too- it's no week-long thing, but computer models and stuff could serve as a good enough "casing" of the place if it were absolutely necessary, since SOME "collateral" damage was totally anticipated by whoever planned it out, would have had to have been
And I am NOT suggesting Bush DID it, I just don't believe that the official story is anywhere near the truth either
Yes, and the owner of the company who did the work just makes it a bit odd,too- it's no week-long thing, but computer models and stuff could serve as a good enough "casing" of the place if it were absolutely necessary, since SOME "collateral" damage was totally anticipated by whoever planned it out, would have had to have been
And I am NOT suggesting Bush DID it, I just don't believe that the official story is anywhere near the truth either
With the press of a button at 5:47 PM on October 24, 1998, Detroit Mayor Dennis Archer dropped the J.L. Hudson Department Store from his city’s skyline and into the history books and record books.
Hudson’s was the tallest department store in the country and was second in square footage only to Macy’s anchor Store in New York. It dominated the retail market in the city through the 1970’s before closing its doors in 1983.
The store was built in 12 separate stages, the first in 1911 and the last in 1946. The complex had two retail basements and 23 above grade retail floors, including mezzanines. Two additional basements and six upper stories in a tower, provided storage and mechanical support for the 2.2 million square foot building. In all there were 33 levels in the structure.
In the fall of 1997, the Downtown Development Authority of Detroit (DDA), retained a joint venture of Walbridge Aldinger and Jenkins Construction of Detroit to manage the project. Walbridge/Jenkins took bids for asbestos abatement of the structure and the contract, which took three months to complete, was performed by Loyalty Environmental of Chicago.
The demolition contract went to a joint venture between Detroit based Homrich, Inc. and Boston based North American Site Development. They, in turn, retained Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) and the Loizeaux Family of Phoenix, Maryland to design and perform the tricky implosion of the Detroit landmark.
No structural drawings of the facility were available, making structural analysis and implosion design a considerable task for CDI. The interdependency of the 12 different construction stages, with differing construction and variable column flange directions and bay widths created what CDI calls differential natural failure modes in each section of the structure which CDI’s demolition program had to cope with. These factors created an implosion design, preparation and dynamic control challenge for the 2nd and 3rd generation of a family recognized as the international founders of the commercial implosion industry (see ENR cover story October 1972).
Hudson’s was bordered on four sides by streets filled with critical infrastructure and flanked on 3 sides by poorly maintained, turn-of-the-century structures with huge sand-cast glass windows that occasionally broke in high winds. Lastly, Detroit’s elevated "People Mover" paralleled the east face of the 439 ft. tall structure just 15 ft away.
Mark Loizeaux, President of CDI, called Hudson’s the greatest dynamic structural control challenge the company had ever faced. CDI had to sever the steel in the columns and create a delay system which could simultaneously control the failure of the building’s 12 different structural configurations, while trying to keep the hundreds of thousands of tons of debris within the 420 ft by 220 ft footprint of the structure. CDI needed structural data to complete its design. Under CDI direction, Homrich/NASDI’s 21 man crew needed three months to investigate the complex and four months to complete preparations for CDI’s implosion design. During that period, the lower two basements of the structure were filled with engineered fill and the perimeter basement walls bermed to 1st basement level with soil to support perimeter walls which would surely have failed under soil and hydrostatic loads once the horizontal support of the Hudson’s internal structure was removed by the implosion.
Double column rows installed in the structure between vertical construction phases, internal brick shear walls, x-bracing, 70 elevators and 10 stairwells created an extremely stiff frame. Columns weighing over 500 lb/ft, having up to 7.25 inch thick laminated steel flanges and 6 inch thick webs, defied commercially available shaped charge technology. CDI analyzed each column, determined the actual load it carried and then used cutting torches to scarf-off steel plates in order to use smaller shaped charges to cut the remaining steel. CDI wanted to keep the charges as small as possible to reduce air over pressure that could break windows in adjacent properties.
CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.
Even with all the precautions to control overpressure, the age, existing cracks, and poor condition of glazing windows in vacant structures on the north, east and west sides of the J.L. Hudson complex, window breakage was a concern. CDI had seven glass company crews on standby to handle any problems. Although Homrich/NASDI has placed over 2,000 yards of soil over utilities in the four adjacent streets, emergency utility crews were also standby "just in case."
When the button was pressed at 5:47 PM, assembled officials, contractors, former Hudson patrons and an estimated crowd of 20,000 watched the store begin to pivot at its southwest corner. The controlled collapse moved north and east through the structure, folding the walls inward.
When the dust cleared, a debris pile averaging 35 ft tall and as high as 60 ft tall where the tower had stood was all that remained of the venerable Detroit department store. Woodward and Farmer Streets were clear of debris , while it would take a couple of days to clear the pile of debris hanging over narrow Grand River Ave.
There was far less window breakage in adjacent buildings than glass company crews were prepared to handle. Many of the broken windows appeared to have been those which were cracked before the implosion, according to Dave Miller of Schnabel Engineering, the third party geotechnical firm hired to do pre/post blast surveys and record the vibration from the blast. Miller said that the vibration from the fall of the structure was well within allowable limits as recorded at adjacent properties. There was no apparent damages to underground utilities.
Pile up of debris during the fall of Hudson’s pushed four steel columns against and two columns over the post-tensioned concrete elevated People Mover Tramway near the south west corner of the structure. Cosmetic; minor structural and control cable/rail damage was found once the debris and protective cover was removed. Authorities hope repairs can begin during the two week down time previously scheduled for maintenance of the system to parallel the demolition of Hudson’s.
The Homrich/NASDI joint venture expect to take five months to clear the debris, placing select material back in the hole as structural fill.
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=7&reqItemId=20030225133807
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The WTC was over 100 stories high, any questions?
Hudson’s was the tallest department store in the country and was second in square footage only to Macy’s anchor Store in New York. It dominated the retail market in the city through the 1970’s before closing its doors in 1983.
The store was built in 12 separate stages, the first in 1911 and the last in 1946. The complex had two retail basements and 23 above grade retail floors, including mezzanines. Two additional basements and six upper stories in a tower, provided storage and mechanical support for the 2.2 million square foot building. In all there were 33 levels in the structure.
In the fall of 1997, the Downtown Development Authority of Detroit (DDA), retained a joint venture of Walbridge Aldinger and Jenkins Construction of Detroit to manage the project. Walbridge/Jenkins took bids for asbestos abatement of the structure and the contract, which took three months to complete, was performed by Loyalty Environmental of Chicago.
The demolition contract went to a joint venture between Detroit based Homrich, Inc. and Boston based North American Site Development. They, in turn, retained Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) and the Loizeaux Family of Phoenix, Maryland to design and perform the tricky implosion of the Detroit landmark.
No structural drawings of the facility were available, making structural analysis and implosion design a considerable task for CDI. The interdependency of the 12 different construction stages, with differing construction and variable column flange directions and bay widths created what CDI calls differential natural failure modes in each section of the structure which CDI’s demolition program had to cope with. These factors created an implosion design, preparation and dynamic control challenge for the 2nd and 3rd generation of a family recognized as the international founders of the commercial implosion industry (see ENR cover story October 1972).
Hudson’s was bordered on four sides by streets filled with critical infrastructure and flanked on 3 sides by poorly maintained, turn-of-the-century structures with huge sand-cast glass windows that occasionally broke in high winds. Lastly, Detroit’s elevated "People Mover" paralleled the east face of the 439 ft. tall structure just 15 ft away.
Mark Loizeaux, President of CDI, called Hudson’s the greatest dynamic structural control challenge the company had ever faced. CDI had to sever the steel in the columns and create a delay system which could simultaneously control the failure of the building’s 12 different structural configurations, while trying to keep the hundreds of thousands of tons of debris within the 420 ft by 220 ft footprint of the structure. CDI needed structural data to complete its design. Under CDI direction, Homrich/NASDI’s 21 man crew needed three months to investigate the complex and four months to complete preparations for CDI’s implosion design. During that period, the lower two basements of the structure were filled with engineered fill and the perimeter basement walls bermed to 1st basement level with soil to support perimeter walls which would surely have failed under soil and hydrostatic loads once the horizontal support of the Hudson’s internal structure was removed by the implosion.
Double column rows installed in the structure between vertical construction phases, internal brick shear walls, x-bracing, 70 elevators and 10 stairwells created an extremely stiff frame. Columns weighing over 500 lb/ft, having up to 7.25 inch thick laminated steel flanges and 6 inch thick webs, defied commercially available shaped charge technology. CDI analyzed each column, determined the actual load it carried and then used cutting torches to scarf-off steel plates in order to use smaller shaped charges to cut the remaining steel. CDI wanted to keep the charges as small as possible to reduce air over pressure that could break windows in adjacent properties.
CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.
Even with all the precautions to control overpressure, the age, existing cracks, and poor condition of glazing windows in vacant structures on the north, east and west sides of the J.L. Hudson complex, window breakage was a concern. CDI had seven glass company crews on standby to handle any problems. Although Homrich/NASDI has placed over 2,000 yards of soil over utilities in the four adjacent streets, emergency utility crews were also standby "just in case."
When the button was pressed at 5:47 PM, assembled officials, contractors, former Hudson patrons and an estimated crowd of 20,000 watched the store begin to pivot at its southwest corner. The controlled collapse moved north and east through the structure, folding the walls inward.
When the dust cleared, a debris pile averaging 35 ft tall and as high as 60 ft tall where the tower had stood was all that remained of the venerable Detroit department store. Woodward and Farmer Streets were clear of debris , while it would take a couple of days to clear the pile of debris hanging over narrow Grand River Ave.
There was far less window breakage in adjacent buildings than glass company crews were prepared to handle. Many of the broken windows appeared to have been those which were cracked before the implosion, according to Dave Miller of Schnabel Engineering, the third party geotechnical firm hired to do pre/post blast surveys and record the vibration from the blast. Miller said that the vibration from the fall of the structure was well within allowable limits as recorded at adjacent properties. There was no apparent damages to underground utilities.
Pile up of debris during the fall of Hudson’s pushed four steel columns against and two columns over the post-tensioned concrete elevated People Mover Tramway near the south west corner of the structure. Cosmetic; minor structural and control cable/rail damage was found once the debris and protective cover was removed. Authorities hope repairs can begin during the two week down time previously scheduled for maintenance of the system to parallel the demolition of Hudson’s.
The Homrich/NASDI joint venture expect to take five months to clear the debris, placing select material back in the hole as structural fill.
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=7&reqItemId=20030225133807
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The WTC was over 100 stories high, any questions?
Re: RE: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian on
Good one. :laughing3:
FiveParadox said:
Good one. :laughing3:
I think not said:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/108539.php
It takes weeks of preparations, but that weekend were just the final touch of the set up.
I think not said:
They had since at least since 1994 to do the work, that's when it is thought the WTO plan was hatched by the bad guys, so the good guys did have an identified target (WTO) that they knew for sure would be a bad guy target, and you will remember the first attack.
Where is all the people saying "gee, we had funny "power downs too".
Aeon does know that bankers and FBI agents probably dress similar, right?
Aeon does know that bankers and FBI agents probably dress similar, right?
I think not said:
ITN... he is beginning to look like an idiot?!!
He has looked like an idiot for a long long time.
Juan....without sounding condescending or anything...
Do you seriously believe this stuff? The Bush administration sent in a team of demolition types, cut the beams on two floors left, and then orchestrated the planes flying into 2 towers and anything that didn't fall because of that (not to mention the detonation charges supposedly used in cooperation with the planes) was blown up at 5:00 later on in the day?
Do you seriously believe this stuff? The Bush administration sent in a team of demolition types, cut the beams on two floors left, and then orchestrated the planes flying into 2 towers and anything that didn't fall because of that (not to mention the detonation charges supposedly used in cooperation with the planes) was blown up at 5:00 later on in the day?
I wouldn't worry about that.
First, the topic is about bldg 7..
Second, I said nothing about the Bush administration.
My statement was an answer to what ITN had posted. I could care less about conspiracy theories. I am saying that by blowing the bottom floor, the rest of the bldg would follow. If you want to argue that, have at it.
Sadly Jay... he does.
So lets get the events all down of what really happened on 9/11
The night before 9/11 7,000 Jews recieve phone calls not to show up for work.
Flights out of Boston are diverted to Area 51 and the passengers are exterminated. The plans are replaced by remote control jets that crash into the Twin Towers.
The flight out of New Jersey is also diverted to Area 51 and the passengers are killed by Men in Black.
Charges are set off in the Pentagon which was also gutted in record time.
Bldg. 7 is gutted from top to bottom after the first strike by demolition experts after it is evacuted and charges are set off by Jews.
Any ideas of what happened to Flight 93 in Shanksville PA?
So lets get the events all down of what really happened on 9/11
The night before 9/11 7,000 Jews recieve phone calls not to show up for work.
Flights out of Boston are diverted to Area 51 and the passengers are exterminated. The plans are replaced by remote control jets that crash into the Twin Towers.
The flight out of New Jersey is also diverted to Area 51 and the passengers are killed by Men in Black.
Charges are set off in the Pentagon which was also gutted in record time.
Bldg. 7 is gutted from top to bottom after the first strike by demolition experts after it is evacuted and charges are set off by Jews.
Any ideas of what happened to Flight 93 in Shanksville PA?
Re: RE: Charlie Sheen's Statement to the London Guardian on
Not enough gas to reach Area51 due to jews wanting to save money on the fill up of the plane? :twisted:
EagleSmack said:
Not enough gas to reach Area51 due to jews wanting to save money on the fill up of the plane? :twisted:
Nos...That seems like a logical explanation which is keeping in line with the TRUE series of events.