CDN-Economy & Related Factors

[petros]

New York City has a population density of 27,000 per square mile, Toronto and Montreal are both in between 11 and 12 thousand per square mile. Both are smaller in total area, and both have a fraction of NYC's population, but the numbers still don't add up. My math says NYC is currently dealing with 643 covid cases per square mile, while Toronto and Montreal are coming in a 10 and 38 respectively. That's a pretty big spread to lay off on population density a little over double.
I'm aware that JT doesn't have a lot of fans, but to suggest that he dropped the ball and Trump didn't is well, a real stretch.
The Canadian government is taking a lot of flack over their reaction to the pandemic, lots of folks framing it as an over reaction. I'm saying the numbers don't lie. The US was slow out of the gate and they're paying a big price. The biggest in the world in fact.

Manhattan's population density is 66,940 people per square mile (25,846/km²), highest of any county in the United States.


Vancouver, British Columbia, is Canada's most densely populated city, with approximately 5492.6 people per square kilometer.

 

[pgs]

New York City has a population density of 27,000 per square mile, Toronto and Montreal are both in between 11 and 12 thousand per square mile. Both are smaller in total area, and both have a fraction of NYC's population, but the numbers still don't add up. My math says NYC is currently dealing with 643 covid cases per square mile, while Toronto and Montreal are coming in a 10 and 38 respectively. That's a pretty big spread to lay off on population density a little over double.

I'm aware that JT doesn't have a lot of fans, but to suggest that he dropped the ball and Trump didn't is well, a real stretch.

The Canadian government is taking a lot of flack over their reaction to the pandemic, lots of folks framing it as an over reaction. I'm saying the numbers don't lie. The US was slow out of the gate and they're paying a big price. The biggest in the world in fact.

Maybe it wasn’t the U.S. but the State of New York , after all a couple weeks before the outbreak in N.Y. Their government was telling people to go on with their normal lives .

 

[pgs]

New York City has a population density of 27,000 per square mile, Toronto and Montreal are both in between 11 and 12 thousand per square mile. Both are smaller in total area, and both have a fraction of NYC's population, but the numbers still don't add up. My math says NYC is currently dealing with 643 covid cases per square mile, while Toronto and Montreal are coming in a 10 and 38 respectively. That's a pretty big spread to lay off on population density a little over double.

I'm aware that JT doesn't have a lot of fans, but to suggest that he dropped the ball and Trump didn't is well, a real stretch.

The Canadian government is taking a lot of flack over their reaction to the pandemic, lots of folks framing it as an over reaction. I'm saying the numbers don't lie. The US was slow out of the gate and they're paying a big price. The biggest in the world in fact.

And Toronto and Montreal are both hotspots . Hmmmn Curious .

 

[petros]

They can’t go to work now , so what does it matter if everyone gets it ?

Do you want the job of deciding who gets treated and who doesn't? How about the job of telling someone or their family they lost the who gets to live lotto?

 

[petros]

And Toronto and Montreal are both hotspots . Hmmmn Curious .

As is Vancouver.

26% of Canadians and 46% of Americans are still not following all the guidelines

This web survey was conducted from April 9 to April 12, 2020, with 1,508 Canadians and 1,012 Americans, 18 years of age or older, randomly recruited from LEO’s online panel.

 

[spilledthebeer]

And all of those jobs are now probably gone with many more job losses still to follow and all because of the trained seals out there like you who still believe that this created virus plandemic is all for real and we are suffering from something worse than the plague. Some so called experts like globalist deep state elites like Bill Gates the now spokesman for this plandemic are saying that if "HE" cannot come up with a vaccine for this virus this lock down and no people allowed to assemble may go on for another year. Are you going to be able to put up with this nonsense for another f'n year?

Is this all really worth it to shut down pretty much the whole economy and put millions of Canadians out of work just because of some seasonal flu bug that comes around every year? I wish people like you would get your heads out of your butts and start showing a lot more intelligence rather than continue on with this sheer stupidity nonsense that most Canadians like you are well known for? Being great little globalist trained seals. Arf-arf. Lol.

POOR STUPID taxme! He has not noticed that Cdn economy ALWAYS ADDS JOBS in late November/early December!


More hands are needed to tend to Christmas Rush! But those jobs all disappear in the New Year!


But hey - it is a good sign that taxme is taking an interest in events occurring outside his padded cell!


Someday he may be allowed to walk in the garden outside his health facility - without an armed escort at his side


to ensure good behaviour!

 

[pgs]

Do you want the job of deciding who gets treated and who doesn't? How about the job of telling someone or their family they lost the who gets to live lotto?

When is it coming ? If my poor 80 year old aunt is locked up in her home alone much longer she will die of loneliness, what is worse , dying alone at home without human companionship or dying in a care home of covid ? Dead is dead .

 

[spilledthebeer]

When is it coming ? If my poor 80 year old aunt is locked up in her home alone much longer she will die of loneliness, what is worse , dying alone at home without human companionship or dying in a care home of covid ? Dead is dead .

Typical illogical thought there! Your aunt may be UNHAPPY about being home alone - but SHE IS STILL ALIVE!


And in time she WILL be able to go out again!


I suggest you consider seriously the REALITY of dying of Wuhan Virus!


The MAJOR ISSUE is that your lungs fill up with fluid and gunk so you CANNOT catch your breath!


Hence the desperate need for ventilators to FORCE AIR into your lungs!


The people who die of Wuhan Virus are basically being STRANGLED TO DEATH!


And it takes SEVERAL DAYS TO DIE! Thus if your old aunt gets really sick - not only will she end up ALONE in a hospital!


As she gets sicker - she will be PUT INTO AN INDUCED COMA so that the progression of the Virus



AS IT STRANGLES HER TO DEATH - WILL NOT HURT SO MUCH!


So CONSIDER: HOW BAD IS IT to be at home and healthy and lonely for a time.................


VERSUS UNCONSCIOUS in a hospital bed being slowly STRANGLED?

 

[Twin_Moose]

frustration levels getting higher?? ;-)
Only time will tell if any of these guideline are helping. Are you suggesting that no guidelines be followed?? What happens when people get sick en mass and CANNOT go to work.?? This is a fast spreading virus........so if left unchecked..(ie carry on as if nothing is happening)......could have even worse implications.

We have plateaued in many provinces already, I can't see a reason why people cannot go back to work in these provinces in industries that have low risk or very little human contact. Office settings of course can still be done from home as construction, farming, small manufacturing, machine shops, etc. kick off respecting social distancing, self health checks, material sharing, etc.

 

[Nick Danger]

26% of Canadians and 46% of Americans are still not following all the guidelines

This web survey was conducted from April 9 to April 12, 2020, with 1,508 Canadians and 1,012 Americans, 18 years of age or older, randomly recruited from LEO’s online panel.

That is likely the most relevant bit of information so far. The math gets pretty involved in trying to draw conclusions from population density and overall infections because there are so many variables. It's understandable that Manhattan's density would top the scale but do we have any infection rates specific to Manhattan?


My criticism is that Trump and the circle of advisors he stacks the deck with isn't treating this thing seriously enough. He is looking to push for a "re-starting" of the American economy when the advice coming from the medical sector says it's too early. Sure the economy is important, but at what cost?



The same debate is going on in Canada and will only get more and more intense as time goes on. People are getting tired of the restrictions, businesses are failing. The infection numbers show reason for cautious optimism but the medical community is not saying that we can afford to let our guard down yet. Personally, I'm not in any trouble . I'd like to go back to work but I'm not going to ignore the medical experts.

 

[Twin_Moose]

But the economy can be rolled out from less populous regions in controlled intervals to higher populous regions. What doesn't make sense is in the beginning of May a workforce from Quebec is coming to Sask. to erect a bunch of windmills because it was deemed an essential service of Canada. Why would anyone allow persons from a high virus region be allowed to work and potentially infest a low to no infectious region of Swift Current Sask.?

 

[pgs]

But the economy can be rolled out from less populous regions in controlled intervals to higher populous regions. What doesn't make sense is in the beginning of May a workforce from Quebec is coming to Sask. to erect a bunch of windmills because it was deemed an essential service of Canada. Why would anyone allow persons from a high virus region be allowed to work and potentially infest a low to no infectious region of Swift Current Sask.?

Why does Saskatchewan need out of province labor for this project ?

 

[pgs]

That is likely the most relevant bit of information so far. The math gets pretty involved in trying to draw conclusions from population density and overall infections because there are so many variables. It's understandable that Manhattan's density would top the scale but do we have any infection rates specific to Manhattan?


My criticism is that Trump and the circle of advisors he stacks the deck with isn't treating this thing seriously enough. He is looking to push for a "re-starting" of the American economy when the advice coming from the medical sector says it's too early. Sure the economy is important, but at what cost?



The same debate is going on in Canada and will only get more and more intense as time goes on. People are getting tired of the restrictions, businesses are failing. The infection numbers show reason for cautious optimism but the medical community is not saying that we can afford to let our guard down yet. Personally, I'm not in any trouble . I'd like to go back to work but I'm not going to ignore the medical experts.

You know that doctors , practice ? Practice .

 

[captain morgan]

We have plateaued in many provinces already, I can't see a reason why people cannot go back to work in these provinces in industries that have low risk or very little human contact. Office settings of course can still be done from home as construction, farming, small manufacturing, machine shops, etc. kick off respecting social distancing, self health checks, material sharing, etc.

C'mon bud.. You get a few folks seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and tater tot won't have as much reason to have his daily fireside chat with the nation

But the economy can be rolled out from less populous regions in controlled intervals to higher populous regions. What doesn't make sense is in the beginning of May a workforce from Quebec is coming to Sask. to erect a bunch of windmills because it was deemed an essential service of Canada. Why would anyone allow persons from a high virus region be allowed to work and potentially infest a low to no infectious region of Swift Current Sask.?

Are you honestly asking why Que is being excused from the the rules that everyone else is supposed to adhere to?

 

[spilledthebeer]

That is likely the most relevant bit of information so far. The math gets pretty involved in trying to draw conclusions from population density and overall infections because there are so many variables. It's understandable that Manhattan's density would top the scale but do we have any infection rates specific to Manhattan?


My criticism is that Trump and the circle of advisors he stacks the deck with isn't treating this thing seriously enough. He is looking to push for a "re-starting" of the American economy when the advice coming from the medical sector says it's too early. Sure the economy is important, but at what cost?



The same debate is going on in Canada and will only get more and more intense as time goes on. People are getting tired of the restrictions, businesses are failing. The infection numbers show reason for cautious optimism but the medical community is not saying that we can afford to let our guard down yet. Personally, I'm not in any trouble . I'd like to go back to work but I'm not going to ignore the medical experts.

Your illogical thinking IS A DANGER to sane people!



Various CANADIAN civil liberties groups ARE WHINING about Canada becoming a police state because they are being blocked from



walking their dogs and kids in the off leash park!


A portion of the MORE SENSIBLE Cdn population thinks govt forcing us to STAY HOME and forcing people into QUARANTINE


is some sort of Fascist Trick!


And Yankees ARE EVEN MORE RABID than Cdns about taking orders from govt!


You expose your foolish thinking by assuming Trump could GET SOME ACTUAL RESULTS by ordering people to practice



social distancing! As we have seen on Florida beaches and other such hot spots - SOME PEOPLE GO OUT OF THEIR WAY


TO DEFY ORDERS simply because they may have been issued by or have support from Trump!


Danger is a THREAT because he is Trump Derangement Sufferer who does not understand MY RIGHTS!


I have the right NOT to be infected with a NASTY and potentially LIFE THREATENING Pestilence


that LIE-berals DID NOT TAKE SERIOUSLY until a BUNCH OF PEOPLE DIED!


Only when it became OBVIOUS that even young people could die of Wuhan Virus did state governors - who are the REAL POWER


in United States these days - BEGIN to order quarantine efforts!

 

[Twin_Moose]

Why does Saskatchewan need out of province labor for this project ?

I'm thinking it is a private project by a Quebec headquartered company that contracted to sell power to Saskpower

Other than that I don't know I was on a couple of Saskpower projects, we put up hundreds of windmills with only the windmill companies management team here to ensure QC on install.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Provinces are talking about restarting the economy — but many Canadians are anxious about moving too fast

As the country enters its second month of shuttered schools and closed businesses, some provincial premiers are beginning to talk publicly about when they will be able to loosen restrictions and restart the economy.
But polls suggest that most Canadians think it's not time for that conversation yet.
While most premiers and public health officials continue to say that closures and physical distancing measures must stay in place for some time to come to prevent a spike in COVID-19 cases, some are turning their attention now to what comes next.
Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe says that, if case numbers continue to stay low, he could present a plan next week to reopen the economy.

Quebec is allowing some economic activity to resume: residential construction can start again, while a number of businesses — including landscaping, garden centres and auto garages — have been added to the list of those deemed essential.

But Quebec Premier François Legault got some pushback from parents and teachers when he mused last week about the possibility of opening schools before the planned return date of May 4. (Ontario Premier Doug Ford, meanwhile, announced Tuesday that school would not resume on May 4.)
Legault backtracked on reopening schools over the weekend, saying that it was just one of many possibilities being considered. On Tuesday, when Quebec reported its biggest spike in deaths since the beginning of the pandemic, he said there was no question of starting classes again in the short term.
Last week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke of an expansion of some economic activity over the summer while saying that pandemic measures such as physical distancing will remain the "new normal" until a vaccine is developed — something experts say could take 12 to 18 months.
On Tuesday, he said that while people want to know when they can go back to their lives, "the reality is it is going to be weeks still" and Canadians will have to keep up their physical distancing "for a good while."
Even those leaders who have talked about the next phase have pointed out that restarting the economy will have to happen gradually, in phases. This follows advice coming from public health officials — but it might also be a reflection of many Canadians' reluctance to move too far, too fast.
Canadians not ready to relax restrictions: polls
The latest results from a weekly tracking poll conducted by Léger for the Association for Canadian Studies suggests that a majority of Canadians want to see significant signs of progress before lifting restrictions and allowing a return to work.
In the field between April 9 and 12 and interviewing 1,508 Canadians online, the poll found 21 per cent of respondents don't want to see these measures relaxed until there is a COVID-19 vaccine. Another 29 per cent said they want to see at least two consecutive weeks with no new cases. Neither of those conditions is likely to be met in the next few months.
For 25 per cent of respondents, the restrictions should be lifted only after the emergence of new cases becomes "sporadic" and the health care system has demonstrated it can cope.
Just 19 per cent said they felt it would be appropriate to lift restrictions when "the pressure on the health care system has reduced and it is able to manage a moderate flow of new cases".
Only six per cent said they wanted the restrictions lifted right away.
This suggests that Canadians are not near a point where they're prioritizing the economy over the risks of a further spread of the novel coronavirus, despite significant numbers in the Léger poll reporting a loss of income as a result of the disease. This could be because 56 per cent of those polled feel the worst of the crisis is "yet to come," while only four per cent believe the worst is "behind us."
Other surveys reflect similar sentiments. A recent Ipsos/Global News poll found widespread support for stricter measures, with 85 per cent somewhat or strongly supporting stricter physical distancing rules enforced by law and 75 per cent in favour of limits on their own personal movement.
The size of the deficit doesn't seem to be a concern shared by many: the Ipsos poll reported that 84 per cent felt the prime minister could run "whatever size federal deficit" he deems necessary to beat back the pandemic.
Nanos Research found that 48.5 per cent of respondents in its four-week rolling poll cited the novel coronavirus as the most important national issue. Jobs and the economy trailed at 14 per cent — a figure virtually unchanged since the beginning of the year.
Politicians' patience being tested
The polls suggest Canadians are willing to be patient in order to get through this crisis. But will politicians show the same restraint?
The drumbeat of the electoral calendar encourages politicians to think in the short-term. While they might come to power with long-term goals in mind, those goals can only be achieved by staying in power. That means winning the next election — or maybe just the next news cycle.
The daily updates from political leaders, however, might give the impression that this pandemic is a day-to-day emergency, rather than one that can only be assessed weeks at a time. The press conferences put politicians in the uncomfortable position of being frequent bearers of bad news. The desire to have some good news to share might have gotten the better of Legault when he talked about opening up the schools early.
"Maybe the way I said [the truth] scared some people," he said, "and I'm sorry about that."
According to polls, many leaders around the world have improved their images over the course of the pandemic. All federal and provincial leaders have majority support for their handling of COVID-19. Some polls also have indicated a bump in support for the parties they lead.
In that context, it's possible that some leaders could be worried that today's plaudits for their crisis management will become tomorrow's blame for a collapsed economy.
But the World Health Organization is warning countries against lifting restrictions too quickly. In new guidelines, it advises countries to lift restrictions slowly and strategically only once they have evidence the virus has been contained and they're capable of detecting every case and tracing every contact — and if the risk of outbreaks in hospitals and nursing homes has been minimized. Many provinces won't meet those conditions for some time yet.
Other parts of the world are further along the curve of the disease than Canada. As some countries in Europe and Asia begin to lift restrictions and resume some regular economic activity, there will be lessons to learn from their experiences.
But while leaders and public health officials use these examples to help them decide what to do next, Canadians seem willing to keep waiting.

 

[spilledthebeer]

But the economy can be rolled out from less populous regions in controlled intervals to higher populous regions. What doesn't make sense is in the beginning of May a workforce from Quebec is coming to Sask. to erect a bunch of windmills because it was deemed an essential service of Canada. Why would anyone allow persons from a high virus region be allowed to work and potentially infest a low to no infectious region of Swift Current Sask.?

That IS a good question! Though one wonders if there is not some sort of specialized training needed to erect a 260 tonne tower


with those HUGE wind blades in a notoriously WINDY place like Saskatchewan?



Can you imagine if they got the stupid thing half up and a wind gust knocked something HEAVY loose?


The basic poured concrete foundation would be pretty standard - just meet the designers specs. for amount and quality of concrete



and for size and placement of rebar etc but the balancing and tuning of the blades and installation of the software and such.......


and of course the blades must have controls so they can be "feathered" to catch more or less wind etc


and maybe that stuff all requires some special knowledge?


But then again maybe it is just the usual LIE-beral style CRAP to put Quebec workers FIRST!


LIE-berals HAVE NEVER EXPLAINED why it is okay for Quebec workers to bid on federal projects in Ottawa


but Ontari-owe workers are FORBIDDEN to bid on federal projects across the Ottawa River in Hull/Quebec!

 

[spilledthebeer]

That is likely the most relevant bit of information so far. The math gets pretty involved in trying to draw conclusions from population density and overall infections because there are so many variables. It's understandable that Manhattan's density would top the scale but do we have any infection rates specific to Manhattan?


My criticism is that Trump and the circle of advisors he stacks the deck with isn't treating this thing seriously enough. He is looking to push for a "re-starting" of the American economy when the advice coming from the medical sector says it's too early. Sure the economy is important, but at what cost?



The same debate is going on in Canada and will only get more and more intense as time goes on. People are getting tired of the restrictions, businesses are failing. The infection numbers show reason for cautious optimism but the medical community is not saying that we can afford to let our guard down yet. Personally, I'm not in any trouble . I'd like to go back to work but I'm not going to ignore the medical experts.

The awkward little detail you are IGNORING is that 46 percent of Yankees are reportedly



STILL NOT practicing SOCIAL DISTANCING!



If you do not get exposed to the virus you WILL NOT GET SICK!


SO WHY are state governors - who mostly seem to be Democrats these days - WHINING SO LOUDLY about Trump allegedly



NOT HELPING - while state governors IGNORE COVIDIOT BEHAVIOUR on beaches and other public places



that SPREADS the Virus FASTER?


Should Trump send out the FBI or the Marines to ENFORCE social distancing?


Or would it BE MORE EFFICIENTLY DONE using local cops ON THE SCENE already?


WHY are state governors refusing to govern and use their authority?



Let me know if that question is too hard for you!


Or if you need a primer on those mysterious GERM THINGIES!

 

[pgs]

I'm thinking it is a private project by a Quebec headquartered company that contracted to sell power to Saskpower

Other than that I don't know I was on a couple of Saskpower projects, we put up hundreds of windmills with only the windmill companies management team here to ensure QC on install.

Figures .