CBC fires Jian Ghomeshi

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“Curiouser and Curiouser,” Alice exclaimed, in her plea from Wonderland — which pretty much describes the ever-evolving perambulations in former radio host Jian Ghomeshi’s fight against his firing from the CBC. Ghomeshi has no right to sue his former employer, and yet here he is proceeding with filing his $55-milliion lawsuit. It looks bizarre until you realize that what the lawsuit is really about isn’t winning in court: It’s about Ghomeshi being able to say whatever he wants in legal documents with total protection from being sued for libel himself, while intimidating women from going public with allegations of assault at Ghomeshi’s hands.

What we know is that Ghomeshi has filed a lawsuit despite the fact that, as a unionized employee, he has no recourse to sue — and that he and his lawyers must know that. Ostensibly curious indeed!
We can also safely assume that the CBC would never have taken lightly the prospect of firing one of its biggest stars. The corporation had to have concluded that the damage from keeping Ghomeshi would be greater than the opprobrium it would get from firing him.

We can also assume that Ghomeshi would not have posted his very personal account of his sexual eccentricities on Facebook, only increasing that story’s traction. Not unless he knew that a far more powerful attack, and bigger story, was otherwise inevitable, and hoped to quickly clip its wings.

The themes of a jilted, revenge-filled lover, anxious to bring down a powerful male (Ghomeshi’s version of things) can have some resonance — unless there is a more compelling contrary narrative (as in, the later reports alleging that Ghomeshi violently assaulted a number of women). Particularly when that latter story has a plethora of willing witnesses. Ghomeshi and his legal and PR team’s job is to ensure that such a contrary narrative never gathers momentum (or witnesses).


But if Ghomeshi knows, as he must, that his civil case will be quickly dismissed, there appear to be two good reasons to file the suit anyway: One, it gets his story onto the public record, without any possible recourse. Statements of claim are privileged; through this claim, Ghomeshi, like any litigant, can get anything he wishes onto the public record with absolute legal impunity. The arbitration process where his case must ultimately end up due to his unionized status, is entirely private.

Unlike with his more moderate Facebook posting, Ghomeshi cannot be sued for whatever he decides to state in his claim, however libellous it is. Issuing a statement of claim — however frivolous — is therefore often a PR masterstroke. It gets his message onto the public record, and reported, without any fear of legal repercussion. Indeed, the claim (which is currently getting thousands of readers online) pretty viciously disparages the CBC’s management.


more clear thinking


The real reasons Jian Ghomeshi is suing the CBC | Financial Post

Phil Motörhead ‏@philmoorhead

If you're unsure how to feel about Jian Ghomeshi, imagine you heard the same allegations about a professional football player.
 

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The Vancouver Sun ran that same article "the real reason Jian...blah blah blah"

It reads like a political ad. I wish they'd just report the news and that journalists were journalists and that every story wasn't an opinion editorial.

I'm sure there are some facts in the story somewhere, but the word choices are intentionally meant to lead the reader to the writers point of view, rather then coming up with what we feel about it ourselves"
 

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HE is the one that went public. The CBC just announced they had severed ties with him, not giving a reason. HE went public on facebook, THEN the Sun went public with their interviews since HE had already gone public with his side. If he had kept his mouth shut and just dealt with the CBC no one would be the wiser.

It was going to come out one way or another which is why he went first. Putting his side out first allows him to have a little more control over it than if the journalists who were investigating him beat him to the punch. Even before he went public they made it clear that they were going to reveal all this info.
 

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The Vancouver Sun ran that same article "the real reason Jian...blah blah blah"

It reads like a political ad. I wish they'd just report the news and that journalists were journalists and that every story wasn't an opinion editorial.

I'm sure there are some facts in the story somewhere, but the word choices are intentionally meant to lead the reader to the writers point of view, rather then coming up with what we feel about it ourselves"

Do you remember journalism ever being an honest profession? The popular narrative is of a journalist taking a principled stance for justice and truth. It doesn't exist. You can't have a good story without a hero, but in the real world they're just muckrakers. Another kind of politician.
 

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Do you remember journalism ever being an honest profession? The popular narrative is of a journalist taking a principled stance for justice and truth. It doesn't exist. You can't have a good story without a hero, but in the real world they're just muckrakers. Another kind of politician.

Remember? No, I haven't enough history on this planet for that. Heard that at one time it required integrity and better education. I've read old newspapers and there is a distinct difference in the style of writing. More matter of fact, less emotion. Maybe that's what I'm interpreting as being better, less emotion.
 

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The Vancouver Sun ran that same article "the real reason Jian...blah blah blah"

It reads like a political ad. I wish they'd just report the news and that journalists were journalists and that every story wasn't an opinion editorial.

I'm sure there are some facts in the story somewhere, but the word choices are intentionally meant to lead the reader to the writers point of view, rather then coming up with what we feel about it ourselves"


Thank you.

he was re-elected as councillor quite handily. I suspect had he run for mayor, he'd have won that too.

But the Toronto Star said he was a fiend? Oh wait. He's a right winger and by gosh he never worked for the CBC.:p
 

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Remember? No, I haven't enough history on this planet for that. Heard that at one time it required integrity and better education. I've read old newspapers and there is a distinct difference in the style of writing. More matter of fact, less emotion. Maybe that's what I'm interpreting as being better, less emotion.

You don't need to have lived long on this planet. It never existed. Journalism has always been about manipulating opinion. You can easily find old newspapers as bad as ours today. Journalism in the past in fact required less education than it tends to today.

You don't technically need to study journalism in school to be a journalist but you do more so than you needed to in the past. Not because you need it but because in today' job market, post-secondary is a basic requirement. In the past a high school education was probably enough. College degree? Whoa, slow down genius.
 

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As a casual observer, I have to say, it's funny watching some people, whom I have to assume have some pretty serious comprehension problems, babble about the tax payers footing the bill. While ignoring the damage keeping him could cause to the CBC's bottom line. Or better yet, the legal commentary, from many sources, that say the same thing, he's screwed.

You can't make this stuff up, some people really are that stupid.
 

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So we got all this "news" on Sunday and Monday and have heard nothing more since. Is the whole thing going to "die" now?
 

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So we got all this "news" on Sunday and Monday and have heard nothing more since. Is the whole thing going to "die" now?

I doubt it. The media seems to like to recycle the same info and speculation over and over again.
 

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Mr. Ghomeshi made a serious tactical error in publically taking on the CBC.

Listen up,and at the end they say "More tomorrow on morning radio, and more again tomorrow night on the National" (paraphrased).

We speak to a woman -- anonymously -- who claims she was hit by Jian Ghomeshi - As It Happens - CBC Player

You don't need to have lived long on this planet. It never existed. Journalism has always been about manipulating opinion. You can easily find old newspapers as bad as ours today. Journalism in the past in fact required less education than it tends to today.

You don't technically need to study journalism in school to be a journalist but you do more so than you needed to in the past. Not because you need it but because in today' job market, post-secondary is a basic requirement. In the past a high school education was probably enough. College degree? Whoa, slow down genius.

Journalism as an academic discipline is a joke.


Used to be you got a degree in history, political science, with some attention to English....in other words, you actually KNEW something before you started preaching to the masses, and you had some idea how to write.
 

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Corps like CBC are full of lawyers and don't make decisions like this lightly. There has to be a lot more to this story.
 

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*sniff*

the winds of sh!t

8 women accuse former CBC host of violence, sexual abuse or harassment
Jian Ghomeshi: 8 women accuse former CBC host of violence, sexual abuse or harassment | Toronto Star

of sh!t



Actress, Lucy DeCoutere, comes forward with details of her alleged assault by Jian Ghomeshi.

Video | Jian Ghomeshi choked and slapped me, actress says | Toronto Star

oh never mind, I got these leads off twitter.




The worst is celebrities siding with him, all confused because he's so nice to THEM, as if his job wasn't JERKING OFF CELEBRITIES

https://twitter.com/NPsteve/status/527598075762982912
 

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IF the woman interviewed on C.B.C. radio tonight is telling the truth Mr. Ghomeshi is both a liar and a predator.!:)

Mr. Ghomeshi made a serious tactical error in publically taking on the CBC.


It might come out that he should have slithered off to Tasmania while he had the chance!:)
 
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