Capitalism will save this world

[Angstrom]

People are the engines of capitalism. You're saying that is it motivational, so people are saving the world from people.

Capitalism and industrialism are different, of course. Nascent capitalism predates industrialization but as human activity negatively impacts the environment, it is industrial activity specifically that does the most damage. The voracious spread of such activity is caused by capitalism. Capitalism is a motivator but that motivator is the profit and expansionist motive of capitalism. If capitalism is going to save the world from widespread environmental destruction, it's saving the world from itself. That's an argument you could make, but let's not say that capitalism isn't the cause of the problem it is supposedly going to solve.

Sure, but I view the damage it has caused as unavoidable. And I feel that you chose to ignore the great benefits we enjoy from it.

People polute. Not just capitalism.

You drive your car everyday? Did the capitalist make you do it?

As I've said. I think capitalism will solve the problems people have created.

That's what capitalism is. It's a massive ultra motivated solution provider.

I see capitalist solve problems everyday.

The last time I seen socialist do anything, is at a party smoking a joint.

Talking about some dream that won't ever happen cause their all talk no action.

 

[Corduroy]

Sure, but I view the damage it has caused as unavoidable. And I feel that you chose to ignore the great benefits we enjoy from it.

People polute. Not just capitalism.

Like I said, human activity causes environmental degradation. Industrial activity causes the worst of it and certain tenets of capitalism have caused the global spread of industrial activity.

Because successful corporations in a capitalist system need to constantly expand to survive and capitalism itself needs to expand to accommodate, the only way capitalism can stop the widespread environmental destruction it causes is if a non-polluting activity for capitalism's expansion was discovered. So long as industrial exploitation is the only source of profit, capitalist entities will use that to sustain their expansion.

Like you said, it's the path of least resistance. However, the destination of that path is profit and expansion. The least resistance, i.e. the easiest activity, is accelerating environmental exploitation.

 

[Angstrom]

Like I said, human activity causes environmental degradation. Industrial activity causes the worst of it and certain tenets of capitalism have caused the global spread of industrial activity.

Because successful corporations in a capitalist system need to constantly expand to survive and capitalism itself needs to expand to accommodate, the only way capitalism can stop the widespread environmental destruction it causes is if a non-polluting activity for capitalism's expansion was discovered. So long as industrial exploitation is the only source of profit, capitalist entities will use that to sustain their expansion.

Like you said, it's the path of least resistance. However, the destination of that path is profit and expansion. The least resistance, i.e. the easiest activity, is accelerating environmental exploitation.

I don't think we need to reduce pollution under our model. I have full confidence in solution providers innovating technology to clean our pollution. The same way we invented vacuums. And water filters etc. Capitalism will innovate to clean out mess as it becomes unavoidable to do so for the survival of the race.

Did you think humans would just let itself die?

 

[Corduroy]

I don't think we need to reduce pollution under our model. I have full confidence in solution providers innovating technology to clean our pollution. The same way we invented vacuums. And water filters etc. Capitalism will innovate to clean out mess as it becomes unavoidable to do so for the survival of the race.

What makes you have so much faith in this happening?

 

[Angstrom]

What makes you have so much faith in this happening?

Because I have no doubt in our ability to innovate in order to survive. It's what we, as humans are very very good at. Actually extremely good at.

Capitalism is just an expression of that extremely powerful human ability reflected in a social construction.

 

[Corduroy]

Because I have no doubt in our ability to innovate in order to survive. It's what we, as humans are very very good at. Actually extremely good at.

Capitalism is just an expression of that extremely powerful human ability reflected in a social construction.

So it's not capitalism but human the ability to innovate.

 

[DaSleeper]

It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a fool!!

 

[HarperCons]

What makes you have so much faith in this happening?

Liberalism. Its beliefs bring forth a mythical sense of optimism that is ultimately self-destructive.

 

[Angstrom]

So it's not capitalism but human the ability to innovate.

Capitalism is a lightning rod for innovation

It multiplies motivation to innovate by rewarding it.

That's why capitalism will save us. It takes our biggest strength and boosts motivation by rewarding it.

I think I've explained this 20 times already.

 

[DaSleeper]

When two fools argue, from a distance it's hard to tell who the bigger fool is........


But when Harpercons jumps in all doubt is removed....................

 

[Angstrom]

When two fools argue, from a distance it's hard to tell who the bigger fool is........


But when Harpercons jumps in all doubt is removed....................

And then You show up and we all know the definition :lol:

 

[Corduroy]

Capitalism is a lightning rod for innovation

It multiplies motivation to innovate by rewarding it.

I assume the reward you mean is profit, which you've said before. The problem is that if something were more profitable than innovation, capitalism would reward that instead. If a way to help the environment wouldn't turn a good enough profit, capitalism wouldn't motivated it. The most profitable corporations don't innovate, they expand vertically and laterally.

 

[DaSleeper]

And then You show up and we all know the definition :lol:

Not for long....the entertainment value of this thread has reached bottom...Bye bye.....

 

[Angstrom]

I assume the reward you mean is profit, which you've said before. The problem is that if something were more profitable than innovation, capitalism would reward that instead. If a way to help the environment wouldn't turn a good enough profit, capitalism wouldn't motivated it. The most profitable corporations don't innovate, they expand vertically and laterally.

Not when our survival is the goal.

 

[HarperCons]

Capitalism is a lightning rod for innovation

It multiplies motivation to innovate by rewarding it.

That's why capitalism will save us. It takes our biggest strength and boosts motivation by rewarding it.

I think I've explained this 20 times already.

Do you even know what "explained" means? It does not mean repeating a stupid opinion over and over again without any facts to back it up.

 

[Angstrom]

Do you even know what "explained" means? It does not mean repeating a stupid opinion over and over again without any facts to back it up.

I guess that leaves dumb $hits like you out of the conversation. Because you can't understand what I'm saying. :lol:

It's not like you could add any intelligent arguments to the debate.

You should be thankful, it saves you the humiliation of being laughed at repetitively.

 

[petros]

Originally yes but now there is more driving its value. What is it?

Human Capital.

I assume the reward you mean is profit, which you've said before. The problem is that if something were more profitable than innovation, capitalism would reward that instead. If a way to help the environment wouldn't turn a good enough profit, capitalism wouldn't motivated it. The most profitable corporations don't innovate, they expand vertically and laterally.

OH dear....

95% of Scientists are employed by Capitalists creating 99% of vital discoveries many of which they don't make a dime on that change life for the better for 100s of millions of people.

Any idea how much Merck charges for HIV meds for Africans? $0.00.

OH THOSE NASTY BIG PHARMA PIGS....

 

[Angstrom]

Human Capital.

Stock Market & especially corporate identities that have same rights as a living human.


Here is why.

A corporation has the singular goal of collecting as much paper currency as it possibly can. This creates a massive demand for the fiat currency. Because all world corporations ( and there are many )will accept them for goods and services. This is what makes the fiat currency virtually indestructible. Because constant demand for currency by corporations give undisputed value to the currency.

They were invented and created for that very goal. Our currency's are backed by multinational corporations, Instead of gold

 

[petros]

Without human capital there are no corporations.

 

[Angstrom]

Without human capital there are no corporations.

This is a good argument why capitalism will save us.
It's in its best intrest to maintain population growth.

This is why capitalism will save us.
It takes our biggest stranght . Innovation , Stimulates it with reward .

Innovation is our best tool to survive.